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[Agios Amvrosios]

Its easy TC if you want us to like you give us our homes back(gamoto)

[erolz]

And TC massive armaments from 1958 -1964 were within the UN SC resolutions.

They wernt massive. The first UN resolution was in 63 and yes our arming after this resolution was in contravention to it

And the reason the TCs were arming themselves was?

Because they were a numerical minority in the same island as a numerical majority that had launched a terrorist (armed) campagin for something that was totaly unacceptable to them.

And since the GC were numerically more and in case of an inter-communal conflict it would have been almost impossible for the TCs to put up, why then the TC were arming themselves?

Why arm against Turkey then? It would be alomst impossible for GC to stop Turkish invasion. So why arm? Maybe you arm to deter any such adventure from Turkey? Or maybe you figure its better to ffight and loose than to not fight at all?

And if the TCs were not armed, what need would have existed for the GCs to arm themselves and attack the TCs if they were not presenting any danger to them?

The TC presented a political obstacle to GC desires. Arming against them regardless of if TC were armed or not made sense if there was a plan to use force to make TC accept GC demands

Or perhaps they wanted to "invite" the GCs to attack them?

Some elements probably did. I do not deny this.

Wouldn't it be a perfect excuse for Turkey to invade and help them in their partition plans?

Far from perfect but no doubt there were some TC elements that welcomed intercommunal conflict because it futhered their partitionist aims.

Didn't the GCs in the end almost fell so stupidly in the trap that the TCs were setting up for them?

GC were certainly stupid to try and use force to impose their will on TC - yes.

And if you remember, you have been denouncing the armed EOKA struggle as illegal and instead it should have been a peaceful one (passive resistance, civil disobedience, etc.)

Did the British drive nearly half your population from their homes? Anyway that's not my personal view (though an argument can be made that armed resistance is 'justifyable' in proportion to the level of oppression and the degree to which negotiaited settlement had been exhausted - though as I say that is not my personal view)

Are you also ready to equally denounce the TMT and the TC armament, as well as the GC one of course?

Yes I am (and have done so here in the past). I personally denounce all violence and resort to violence.

Do you know many secret agents who let their status become publicly known through postings in forums?

Maybe you are not a very good secret agent. Maybe you just think you are a good one but are in fact just a GC policeman working under cover in the north since the border opened who does not really know what you are doing?

[erolz]

Its easy TC if you want us to like you give us our homes back(gamoto)

Like us in the same way you liked us in 63-74 before we had taken any homes from you? Is that what you mean?

[Main_Source]

have just purchased two guns after hearing you guys keep guns to use against us only if there should be a war. I feel I should also have the right to defend myself and family just like the Turkish Cypriot community back in the 1960s. But my guns purchase is in direct reaction to the GC mentality with regards to distributing guns to ordinary GCs to keep in their homes. I have also encouraged relatives and friends to keep guns "only to be used against GCs in time of war" nothing to worry about

like i thought all along...you've got issues.

[Agios Amvrosios]

Like us in the same way you liked us in 63-74 before we had taken any homes from you? Is that what you mean?

I wasn't even born at that time and my parents were just kids. My grandparents hardly even knew any Turkish Cypriots.

[sadik]

And TC massive armaments from 1958 -1964 were within the UN SC resolutions.
And the reason the TCs were arming themselves was?
And since the GC were numerically more and in case of an inter-communal conflict it would have been almost impossible for the TCs to put up, why then the TC were arming themselves? And if the TCs were not armed, what need would have existed for the GCs to arm themselves and attack the TCs if they were not presenting any danger to them?
Or perhaps they wanted to "invite" the GCs to attack them?
Wouldn't it be a perfect excuse for Turkey to invade and help them in their partition plans?

Kifeas,
It is a fact that GCs were considering various options of dealing with Turkish Cypriots, sume of which included the elimination of TCs. It is also a fact that Turkey had some bad intentions over Cyprus. Not to forget the Greek and American intentions over Cyprus.

Arguements from both TC and GC sides can have some truth to them. I think playing the blame game and trying to find out who started it all is useless. I've been following these kinds of forums for many years and I've never seen people agreeing on who started it all. I don't see a point in trying to find a beginning point to explain all things that happened afterwards. I don't think life is that simple.

What we should do is to recognize the suffering we have caused each other, the injustice we have faced, like being forced out of our houses. I think only after this recognition we can move forward, and currently none of us are doing a good job on this.

[Main_Source]

at least there is someone here who talks sense.

[Piratis]

I've been following these kinds of forums for many years and I've never seen people agreeing on who started it all.

The problem is that today the side that is acting against the law and has the 99% of blame is the Turkish side.

To excuse their actions of today the Turks bring up a tiny part of history for which GCs have more blame than the TCs.

However if we really want to see "who started it" we have to go to the beginning when Turks and Greeks first "met" on this island in the 15th century.

And if we go to the beginning (and not just to a date that suits you), it is crystal clear "who started it all".

Do I want to blame the TC for what happened in history? NO What I want is return to legality today.

However when the TCs use the past as an excuse for their illegal actions we are left with no choice than to remind them that:

1) They started it
2) The committed much more crimes against GCs
3)They have committed their crimes over a much longer period.
4)They continue the crime today

Therefore it is about time that TCs stop to pretend to be the victims that now need to be rewarded and accept that nobody should be rewarded and nobody should be punished and that we can make a new beginning with universally accepted principles applied (democracy, human rights etc).

[garbitsch]

Turkish Cypriots committed much more crimes against GCs?? Are you serious honestly?

[Main_Source]

I think he's making a point that if TC's want to keep on accusing Greeks of casting the first blow, then you could say it was the Turks who did so, since the Ottoman invasion.