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[RAFAELLA]

Hm! ....turkish à la carte memory.

For Tr CyR does not exist therefore she does not recognize CyR.
BUT, now they try to prevent another veto from CyR, therefore, they recognize the right of CyR to use her red cart once again which equals to an indirect recognition.

Turkey will never change; the blackmail attitude is in turkish genes.

How many resolutions and objections have you made against the TRNC......Try logic in all forms dear...

You are talking about our occupied country.
Resolutions and objections against the puppet state have been made numerous not only from CyR but also from other countries, UN, ECHR etc.

It's our obligation, our duty to guard our country and its rights from illegal actions and charlatans.

[Oracle]

CBBB,
re your dictionary definition : the EU has not been forced or coerced. The pipeline goes through Turkish territory. Erdogan is not forcing the EU to put it through Turkey, he is not coercing the EU not to go through Turkey. It is not blackmail.

In any case if the use or threat of use of coercion was sufficient for an action to be labelled blackmail, why not simply use the word coercion ? What is different about blackmail ?

I just gave you the definition, tell me why this is not coercion and I will accept that it is not blackmail.

Maybe he was just being bitchy ....

"Ooohhh I'll scratch your EU-eyes out if you "bargain" with Cyprus instead of "bargaining" with me, and then I won't give you Gas but I'll take all of Cyprus' Oil instead becasue it is so small and is too far from Europe! .. So there by the grace of Allah!"

[zan]

Hm! ....turkish à la carte memory.

For Tr CyR does not exist therefore she does not recognize CyR.
BUT, now they try to prevent another veto from CyR, therefore, they recognize the right of CyR to use her red cart once again which equals to an indirect recognition.

Turkey will never change; the blackmail attitude is in turkish genes.

How many resolutions and objections have you made against the TRNC......Try logic in all forms dear...

You are talking about our occupied country.
Resolutions and objections against the puppet state have been made numerous not only from CyR but also from other countries, UN, ECHR etc.

It's our obligation, our duty to guard our country and its rights from illegal actions and charlatans.

As is ours.......You made the point of recognition by association when it is the same for you....

[Nikitas]

Now think of the probability not only fuel but also WATER being provided by the likes of Erdogan and the deep state of Turkey.

Obviouslhy there is no coercion. There was no coercion in the case of Russia and the Ukraine, just old fashioned bazaar mentality and pressing home an advantage. In the case of Turkey it is the advantage of cheap non Russian gas from central Asia. If you want it you will have to accomodate us, is the message.

Trying it on is Erdogan's prerogative. Accepting it or not, is a challenge for Europeans to prove they are not pimps. We wait and we see.

[Tim Drayton]

Now think of the probability not only fuel but also WATER being provided by the likes of Erdogan and the deep state of Turkey.

Obviouslhy there is no coercion. There was no coercion in the case of Russia and the Ukraine, just old fashioned bazaar mentality and pressing home an advantage. In the case of Turkey it is the advantage of cheap non Russian gas from central Asia. If you want it you will have to accomodate us, is the message.

Trying it on is Erdogan's prerogative. Accepting it or not, is a challenge for Europeans to prove they are not pimps. We wait and we see.

I thought the gas that Russia is selling to Europe originates from Central Asia anyway, and is being sold at a 100% mark up. It is not a question of the origin of the gas so much as the supply route, and the ability to cut out an expensive middle man.

[Paphitis]

Now think of the probability not only fuel but also WATER being provided by the likes of Erdogan and the deep state of Turkey.

Obviouslhy there is no coercion. There was no coercion in the case of Russia and the Ukraine, just old fashioned bazaar mentality and pressing home an advantage. In the case of Turkey it is the advantage of cheap non Russian gas from central Asia. If you want it you will have to accomodate us, is the message.

Trying it on is Erdogan's prerogative. Accepting it or not, is a challenge for Europeans to prove they are not pimps. We wait and we see.

I still don't understand the issue being discussed here.

The fact of the matter is that Cyprus has veto rights which can bring Turkey's EU bid to a grinding halt. These types of opportunities don't come round very often and Cyprus really needs to take advantage.

Why wouldn't Cyprus exercise this right, over such a fundamentally important issue such as the EU Energy chapter? The veto right is our best card.

[CBBB]

Now think of the probability not only fuel but also WATER being provided by the likes of Erdogan and the deep state of Turkey.

Obviouslhy there is no coercion. There was no coercion in the case of Russia and the Ukraine, just old fashioned bazaar mentality and pressing home an advantage. In the case of Turkey it is the advantage of cheap non Russian gas from central Asia. If you want it you will have to accomodate us, is the message.

Trying it on is Erdogan's prerogative. Accepting it or not, is a challenge for Europeans to prove they are not pimps. We wait and we see.

I still don't understand the issue being discussed here.

The fact of the matter is that Cyprus has veto rights which can bring Turkey's EU bid to a grinding halt. These types of opportunities don't come round very often and Cyprus really needs to take advantage.

Why wouldn't Cyprus exercise this right, over such a fundamentally important issue such as the EU Energy chapter? The veto right is our best card.

That's why in pelota you save it for the piso!

[Paphitis]

Now think of the probability not only fuel but also WATER being provided by the likes of Erdogan and the deep state of Turkey.

Obviouslhy there is no coercion. There was no coercion in the case of Russia and the Ukraine, just old fashioned bazaar mentality and pressing home an advantage. In the case of Turkey it is the advantage of cheap non Russian gas from central Asia. If you want it you will have to accomodate us, is the message.

Trying it on is Erdogan's prerogative. Accepting it or not, is a challenge for Europeans to prove they are not pimps. We wait and we see.

I still don't understand the issue being discussed here.

The fact of the matter is that Cyprus has veto rights which can bring Turkey's EU bid to a grinding halt. These types of opportunities don't come round very often and Cyprus really needs to take advantage.

Why wouldn't Cyprus exercise this right, over such a fundamentally important issue such as the EU Energy chapter? The veto right is our best card.

That's why in pelota you save it for the piso!

You may be right. I never stated that it would be in our best interest to veto the EU Energy chapter. But with Europe scrambling to secure an alternative gas supply, it could be beneficial as the leverage Cyprus would hold would be enormous.

[Nikitas]

It is naive to think that if Cyprus was not a problem that the situation would be any less problematic or less like a bazaar transation. Like Paphitis said, the veto is a once in a lifetime chance, the gas is even more so for Turkey.

[Tim Drayton]

Now think of the probability not only fuel but also WATER being provided by the likes of Erdogan and the deep state of Turkey.

Obviouslhy there is no coercion. There was no coercion in the case of Russia and the Ukraine, just old fashioned bazaar mentality and pressing home an advantage. In the case of Turkey it is the advantage of cheap non Russian gas from central Asia. If you want it you will have to accomodate us, is the message.

Trying it on is Erdogan's prerogative. Accepting it or not, is a challenge for Europeans to prove they are not pimps. We wait and we see.

I still don't understand the issue being discussed here.

The fact of the matter is that Cyprus has veto rights which can bring Turkey's EU bid to a grinding halt. These types of opportunities don't come round very often and Cyprus really needs to take advantage.

Why wouldn't Cyprus exercise this right, over such a fundamentally important issue such as the EU Energy chapter? The veto right is our best card.

My dear boy, things go on in smoke filled rooms behind the scenes. I do not imagine that Europe is going to put its energy security in jeopardy for the sake of Cyprus. If needs be, the necessary pressure will be brought to bear on Cyprus to ensure that it does not upset the apple cart.