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[Paphitis]

It looks more like negotiations than blackmail. I want something from you, in return for which I will give you something that you want. It ends with a settlement

It’s a process that GCs have never really understood.

Does Turkey understand that the RoC holds veto rights over Turkey's Energy Chapter?

There ya go...Now.....Do you know that the TUrkish ports are still not open to GC Cyprus ships..........

Your turn!!!

Who cares!

I think we have bigger fish to fry than to worry about having access to Turkish ports and airports.

Did you know that if Turkey does not open her Ports and Airpots then it will NEVER become an EU nation?

[zan]

It looks more like negotiations than blackmail. I want something from you, in return for which I will give you something that you want. It ends with a settlement

It’s a process that GCs have never really understood.

Does Turkey understand that the RoC holds veto rights over Turkey's Energy Chapter?

There ya go...Now.....Do you know that the TUrkish ports are still not open to GC Cyprus ships..........

Your turn!!!

Who cares!

I think we have bigger fish to fry than to worry about having access to Turkish ports and airports.

Did you know that if Turkey does not open her Ports and Airpots then it will NEVER become an EU nation?

Do you know how much money it is costing you??? Now you!!!

[CopperLine]

First, Erdogan is a charlatan and trickster making him (unfortunately) a very successful politician. What he does and says is no more an identical reflection of Turkey and Turks than Sarkozy is of France and the French or Berlusconi is of Italy and the Italians. They'd sell their own grandmother if it benefited them one iota and this is because they're particular kinds of politicians and not because they're Turkish, French or Italian.


Second, in the article cited there is no blackmail. It is straightforward political bargaining. As someone else has already implied a blackmail has to be of the form "if you don't do/agree to X, we will do Y, and Y is something that you don't want revealed". A bargain is "if you do A, then we'll do B". Erdogan's efforts at bargaining might not work, for sure, but it is not blackmail.

For those who think this pipeline case is a blackmail then you have to show what Y it is that the EU does not want revealing : if there's no Y then we can treat this 'blackmail' line of argument with the contempt it surely deserves.

[CBBB]

5. to force or coerce into a particular action, statement, etc.: The strikers claimed they were blackmailed into signing the new contract.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/blackmail

[Paphitis]

It looks more like negotiations than blackmail. I want something from you, in return for which I will give you something that you want. It ends with a settlement

It’s a process that GCs have never really understood.

Does Turkey understand that the RoC holds veto rights over Turkey's Energy Chapter?

There ya go...Now.....Do you know that the TUrkish ports are still not open to GC Cyprus ships..........

Your turn!!!

Who cares!

I think we have bigger fish to fry than to worry about having access to Turkish ports and airports.

Did you know that if Turkey does not open her Ports and Airpots then it will NEVER become an EU nation?

Do you know how much money it is costing you??? Now you!!!

It's not as if the RoC is hard up. We can afford it no matter what, because our economy is worth 25 Billion, whereas the "trnc" can't rub 2 cents together without pulling on the apron strings of Mamma Turka....

[Paphitis]

First, Erdogan is a charlatan and trickster making him (unfortunately) a very successful politician. What he does and says is no more an identical reflection of Turkey and Turks than Sarkozy is of France and the French or Berlusconi is of Italy and the Italians. They'd sell their own grandmother if it benefited them one iota and this is because they're particular kinds of politicians and not because they're Turkish, French or Italian.


Second, in the article cited there is no blackmail. It is straightforward political bargaining. As someone else has already implied a blackmail has to be of the form "if you don't do/agree to X, we will do Y, and Y is something that you don't want revealed". A bargain is "if you do A, then we'll do B". Erdogan's efforts at bargaining might not work, for sure, but it is not blackmail.

For those who think this pipeline case is a blackmail then you have to show what Y it is that the EU does not want revealing : if there's no Y then we can treat this 'blackmail' line of argument with the contempt it surely deserves.

Do not expect the RoC to take too kindly to this form of negotiating. It is a clear provocation which will no doubt result in Cyprus excercising her veto rights.

[Oracle]

Clearly Erdogan has NOTHING to offer of any major significance or uniqueness (except Islam) to the EU yet what he is asking for, will be of enormous cost to the rest of the EU.

So he is not "bargaining". Is this the sign of a bargaining man?

"The other side ought to be fair in his treatment," said Erdogan. "They should not prefer southern Cyprus, located far away from Europe and a only a few hundred thousand people, compared with Turkey with 70 million people."

... or a desperado with nothing to offer (except 70 M poverty-stricken 3rd worlders), but instead back-stab a smaller country for being "further" (distance, unlike his mental chasm) away from Europe .

He should come in on his own merits (none) without bitching about others!

[CopperLine]

CBBB,
re your dictionary definition : the EU has not been forced or coerced. The pipeline goes through Turkish territory. Erdogan is not forcing the EU to put it through Turkey, he is not coercing the EU not to go through Turkey. It is not blackmail.

In any case if the use or threat of use of coercion was sufficient for an action to be labelled blackmail, why not simply use the word coercion ? What is different about blackmail ?

[CopperLine]

Oracle
you really are a total ass.

[CBBB]

CBBB,
re your dictionary definition : the EU has not been forced or coerced. The pipeline goes through Turkish territory. Erdogan is not forcing the EU to put it through Turkey, he is not coercing the EU not to go through Turkey. It is not blackmail.

In any case if the use or threat of use of coercion was sufficient for an action to be labelled blackmail, why not simply use the word coercion ? What is different about blackmail ?

I just gave you the definition, tell me why this is not coercion and I will accept that it is not blackmail.