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[zan]

between the iraq and afganistan wars, troubles in the pacific and protecting our borders the Australian navy is stretched to capacity, no GC should rely on australia to come to their rescue particularly since our current government does not have a stomach for more conflict not to mention Australia excellent relations with Turkey. Just another pipe dream by GC's like the dream of russia, greece, france etc etc coming to their rescue.

Believe me when I tell you that Australia has the most advance surveillance and intelligence gathering networks in the world. Satellite surveillance covers all of Australia's coastline 24/7, and is supplemented with civil and military surveillance aircraft and UAVs. Illegal immigration, drug running is nonexistent, with airports and ports being the only "soft" spot.

The intelligence gathering infrastructure is second to none and covers the globe. Pine Gap is just one part of the intelligence link which hooks up with other agencies and nations from bases in North America (NORAD), Cyprus, Gibraltar, Middle East, Germany, UK, and SE Asia. The capability is extraordinary as virtually any mobile phone conversation, email, net based forum messages, radio transmission can be intercepted at a phenomenal rate and fed through computers where they are sifted and categorised accordingly using various methods. It is estimated that around 20,000,000 mobile phone conversations are intercepted daily. The information is processed at The Defence Signals Directorate in Canberra, which is Australia's most secretive and covert agencies. Other intelligence is handled by ASIO and ASIC (Australia's CIA equivalent).

Australia's navy is not needed to protect Australia's borders. It is planned that the RAN will be divided into 2 main battle groups. The Indian Ocean Fleet and The Pacific Fleet. Each battle group will comprise 1 aircraft carrier, 2 Air Warfare Destroyers, 4 Destroyers, 4 Frigates, 4 Corvettes, 3 Collins Class Submarines and 2 Supply ships.

For border security, Australia will rely on its surveillance capabilities, which are second to none and the Freemantle Class Patrol Fleet. The only issue which is of concern is the illegal Indonesian shark fin fishing fleet in the North, and the illegal Russian Patagonian Toothfish fleet around Heard Island within Australia's Antarctic territories.

The RAN is very easily able to deploy anywhere around the world to protect Australian interests which may also include drilling for oil within Cyprus' EEZ. Any Turkish warship can be dealt with quite easily by the RAN, not that it would be necessary because Turkey would not even dare to provoke a navy with so much fire power. The fact that Australian ships are also able to replenish in Cyprus, Crete, Malta, or Gibraltar is also advantageous.

The RAN is a small navy, but in terms of firepower it is one of the most capable in the world. The 2 Aircraft Carriers will most probably be equipped with F-18 Super Hornets until a suitable alternative is found.

You may also think that Australian relations with Turkey are excellent, but that is not entirely correct. Australian relations with Turkey can only be classified as good, but relations with Cyprus are excellent. Australia values Cyprus much more than it does Turkey, because the 2 British SBAs are a vital link in Australia's intelligence gathering capabilities that I mentioned earlier. For this very reason, one RAN Battle Group could very likely be permanently based in the East Mediterranean where they will more than likely cooperate with the US 6th Fleet, and NATO.

Just wondering at the Paphitis logic.....It is sounding as wacky as GRs..


Satellite surveillance and some men are adequate to control the entire massive coastline of Oz but airports and ports that are overrun with security are the soft spots.....

[Paphitis]

between the iraq and afganistan wars, troubles in the pacific and protecting our borders the Australian navy is stretched to capacity, no GC should rely on australia to come to their rescue particularly since our current government does not have a stomach for more conflict not to mention Australia excellent relations with Turkey. Just another pipe dream by GC's like the dream of russia, greece, france etc etc coming to their rescue.

Believe me when I tell you that Australia has the most advance surveillance and intelligence gathering networks in the world. Satellite surveillance covers all of Australia's coastline 24/7, and is supplemented with civil and military surveillance aircraft and UAVs. Illegal immigration, drug running is nonexistent, with airports and ports being the only "soft" spot.

The intelligence gathering infrastructure is second to none and covers the globe. Pine Gap is just one part of the intelligence link which hooks up with other agencies and nations from bases in North America (NORAD), Cyprus, Gibraltar, Middle East, Germany, UK, and SE Asia. The capability is extraordinary as virtually any mobile phone conversation, email, net based forum messages, radio transmission can be intercepted at a phenomenal rate and fed through computers where they are sifted and categorised accordingly using various methods. It is estimated that around 20,000,000 mobile phone conversations are intercepted daily. The information is processed at The Defence Signals Directorate in Canberra, which is Australia's most secretive and covert agencies. Other intelligence is handled by ASIO and ASIC (Australia's CIA equivalent).

Australia's navy is not needed to protect Australia's borders. It is planned that the RAN will be divided into 2 main battle groups. The Indian Ocean Fleet and The Pacific Fleet. Each battle group will comprise 1 aircraft carrier, 2 Air Warfare Destroyers, 4 Destroyers, 4 Frigates, 4 Corvettes, 3 Collins Class Submarines and 2 Supply ships.

For border security, Australia will rely on its surveillance capabilities, which are second to none and the Freemantle Class Patrol Fleet. The only issue which is of concern is the illegal Indonesian shark fin fishing fleet in the North, and the illegal Russian Patagonian Toothfish fleet around Heard Island within Australia's Antarctic territories.

The RAN is very easily able to deploy anywhere around the world to protect Australian interests which may also include drilling for oil within Cyprus' EEZ. Any Turkish warship can be dealt with quite easily by the RAN, not that it would be necessary because Turkey would not even dare to provoke a navy with so much fire power. The fact that Australian ships are also able to replenish in Cyprus, Crete, Malta, or Gibraltar is also advantageous.

The RAN is a small navy, but in terms of firepower it is one of the most capable in the world. The 2 Aircraft Carriers will most probably be equipped with F-18 Super Hornets until a suitable alternative is found.

You may also think that Australian relations with Turkey are excellent, but that is not entirely correct. Australian relations with Turkey can only be classified as good, but relations with Cyprus are excellent. Australia values Cyprus much more than it does Turkey, because the 2 British SBAs are a vital link in Australia's intelligence gathering capabilities that I mentioned earlier. For this very reason, one RAN Battle Group could very likely be permanently based in the East Mediterranean where they will more than likely cooperate with the US 6th Fleet, and NATO.

Just wondering at the Paphitis logic.....It is sounding as wacky as GRs..


Satellite surveillance and some men are adequate to control the entire massive coastline of Oz but airports and ports that are overrun with security are the soft spots.....

My logic comes from having years of experience in the ADF and Defence Industry.

Australia has eliminated all illegal immigration. Australia's border security is watertight due to satellite surveillance, Fast Patrol Craft, UAV's, civil and military defence aircraft.

The ADF has very little to do with border security. Australian Customs, Coastwatch are doing the bulk of the work.

You do not need manpower to secure your borders. And you don't need Aircraft Carriers either. A few satellites, UAVs and surveillance aircraft is all you need. The ADF only pitches in with some P3-Orion surveillance flights. Interception is done using RAN Freemantle Class patrol vessels and Customs Coastwatch patrol craft.

http://www.surveillanceaustralia.com.au/default2.asp

http://www.customs.gov.au/site/page.cfm?u=4238

[CBBB]

between the iraq and afganistan wars, troubles in the pacific and protecting our borders the Australian navy is stretched to capacity, no GC should rely on australia to come to their rescue particularly since our current government does not have a stomach for more conflict not to mention Australia excellent relations with Turkey. Just another pipe dream by GC's like the dream of russia, greece, france etc etc coming to their rescue.

Believe me when I tell you that Australia has the most advance surveillance and intelligence gathering networks in the world. Satellite surveillance covers all of Australia's coastline 24/7, and is supplemented with civil and military surveillance aircraft and UAVs. Illegal immigration, drug running is nonexistent, with airports and ports being the only "soft" spot.

The intelligence gathering infrastructure is second to none and covers the globe. Pine Gap is just one part of the intelligence link which hooks up with other agencies and nations from bases in North America (NORAD), Cyprus, Gibraltar, Middle East, Germany, UK, and SE Asia. The capability is extraordinary as virtually any mobile phone conversation, email, net based forum messages, radio transmission can be intercepted at a phenomenal rate and fed through computers where they are sifted and categorised accordingly using various methods. It is estimated that around 20,000,000 mobile phone conversations are intercepted daily. The information is processed at The Defence Signals Directorate in Canberra, which is Australia's most secretive and covert agencies. Other intelligence is handled by ASIO and ASIC (Australia's CIA equivalent).

Australia's navy is not needed to protect Australia's borders. It is planned that the RAN will be divided into 2 main battle groups. The Indian Ocean Fleet and The Pacific Fleet. Each battle group will comprise 1 aircraft carrier, 2 Air Warfare Destroyers, 4 Destroyers, 4 Frigates, 4 Corvettes, 3 Collins Class Submarines and 2 Supply ships.

For border security, Australia will rely on its surveillance capabilities, which are second to none and the Freemantle Class Patrol Fleet. The only issue which is of concern is the illegal Indonesian shark fin fishing fleet in the North, and the illegal Russian Patagonian Toothfish fleet around Heard Island within Australia's Antarctic territories.

The RAN is very easily able to deploy anywhere around the world to protect Australian interests which may also include drilling for oil within Cyprus' EEZ. Any Turkish warship can be dealt with quite easily by the RAN, not that it would be necessary because Turkey would not even dare to provoke a navy with so much fire power. The fact that Australian ships are also able to replenish in Cyprus, Crete, Malta, or Gibraltar is also advantageous.

The RAN is a small navy, but in terms of firepower it is one of the most capable in the world. The 2 Aircraft Carriers will most probably be equipped with F-18 Super Hornets until a suitable alternative is found.

You may also think that Australian relations with Turkey are excellent, but that is not entirely correct. Australian relations with Turkey can only be classified as good, but relations with Cyprus are excellent. Australia values Cyprus much more than it does Turkey, because the 2 British SBAs are a vital link in Australia's intelligence gathering capabilities that I mentioned earlier. For this very reason, one RAN Battle Group could very likely be permanently based in the East Mediterranean where they will more than likely cooperate with the US 6th Fleet, and NATO.

Just wondering at the Paphitis logic.....It is sounding as wacky as GRs..


Satellite surveillance and some men are adequate to control the entire massive coastline of Oz but airports and ports that are overrun with security are the soft spots.....

My logic comes from having years of experience in the ADF and Defence Industry.

Australia has elliminated all illegal immigration. Australia's border security is watertigth due to satellite surveillance, Fast Patrol Craft, UAV's, civil and military defence aircraft.

The ADF has very little to do with border security. Australian Customs, Coastwatch are doing the bulk of the work.

You do not need manpower to secure your borders. And you don't need Aircraft Carriers either. A few satellite, UAVs and surveillance aircraft is all you need. The ADF only pitches in with some P3-Orion surveillance flights. Interception is done using RAN Freemantle Class patrol vessels and Customs Coastwatch patrol craft.

Australia has eliminated all illegal immigration. Australia's border security is watertight due to satellite surveillance, Fast Patrol Craft, UAV's, civil and military defence aircraft.

The ADF has very little to do with border security. Australian Customs, Coastwatch are doing the bulk of the work.

http://www.surveillanceaustralia.com.au/default2.asp

http://www.customs.gov.au/site/page.cfm?u=4238

A major stutter there Paphitis!

[Paphitis]

It was just corrected.... It was a cut and paste double up....

[zan]

between the iraq and afganistan wars, troubles in the pacific and protecting our borders the Australian navy is stretched to capacity, no GC should rely on australia to come to their rescue particularly since our current government does not have a stomach for more conflict not to mention Australia excellent relations with Turkey. Just another pipe dream by GC's like the dream of russia, greece, france etc etc coming to their rescue.

Believe me when I tell you that Australia has the most advance surveillance and intelligence gathering networks in the world. Satellite surveillance covers all of Australia's coastline 24/7, and is supplemented with civil and military surveillance aircraft and UAVs. Illegal immigration, drug running is nonexistent, with airports and ports being the only "soft" spot.

The intelligence gathering infrastructure is second to none and covers the globe. Pine Gap is just one part of the intelligence link which hooks up with other agencies and nations from bases in North America (NORAD), Cyprus, Gibraltar, Middle East, Germany, UK, and SE Asia. The capability is extraordinary as virtually any mobile phone conversation, email, net based forum messages, radio transmission can be intercepted at a phenomenal rate and fed through computers where they are sifted and categorised accordingly using various methods. It is estimated that around 20,000,000 mobile phone conversations are intercepted daily. The information is processed at The Defence Signals Directorate in Canberra, which is Australia's most secretive and covert agencies. Other intelligence is handled by ASIO and ASIC (Australia's CIA equivalent).

Australia's navy is not needed to protect Australia's borders. It is planned that the RAN will be divided into 2 main battle groups. The Indian Ocean Fleet and The Pacific Fleet. Each battle group will comprise 1 aircraft carrier, 2 Air Warfare Destroyers, 4 Destroyers, 4 Frigates, 4 Corvettes, 3 Collins Class Submarines and 2 Supply ships.

For border security, Australia will rely on its surveillance capabilities, which are second to none and the Freemantle Class Patrol Fleet. The only issue which is of concern is the illegal Indonesian shark fin fishing fleet in the North, and the illegal Russian Patagonian Toothfish fleet around Heard Island within Australia's Antarctic territories.

The RAN is very easily able to deploy anywhere around the world to protect Australian interests which may also include drilling for oil within Cyprus' EEZ. Any Turkish warship can be dealt with quite easily by the RAN, not that it would be necessary because Turkey would not even dare to provoke a navy with so much fire power. The fact that Australian ships are also able to replenish in Cyprus, Crete, Malta, or Gibraltar is also advantageous.

The RAN is a small navy, but in terms of firepower it is one of the most capable in the world. The 2 Aircraft Carriers will most probably be equipped with F-18 Super Hornets until a suitable alternative is found.

You may also think that Australian relations with Turkey are excellent, but that is not entirely correct. Australian relations with Turkey can only be classified as good, but relations with Cyprus are excellent. Australia values Cyprus much more than it does Turkey, because the 2 British SBAs are a vital link in Australia's intelligence gathering capabilities that I mentioned earlier. For this very reason, one RAN Battle Group could very likely be permanently based in the East Mediterranean where they will more than likely cooperate with the US 6th Fleet, and NATO.

Just wondering at the Paphitis logic.....It is sounding as wacky as GRs..


Satellite surveillance and some men are adequate to control the entire massive coastline of Oz but airports and ports that are overrun with security are the soft spots.....

My logic comes from having years of experience in the ADF and Defence Industry.

Australia has elliminated all illegal immigration. Australia's border security is watertigth due to satellite surveillance, Fast Patrol Craft, UAV's, civil and military defence aircraft.

The ADF has very little to do with border security. Australian Customs, Coastwatch are doing the bulk of the work.

You do not need manpower to secure your borders. And you don't need Aircraft Carriers either. A few satellite, UAVs and surveillance aircraft is all you need. The ADF only pitches in with some P3-Orion surveillance flights. Interception is done using RAN Freemantle Class patrol vessels and Customs Coastwatch patrol craft.

The ADF has very little to do with border security. Australian Customs, Coastwatch are doing the bulk of the work.

http://www.surveillanceaustralia.com.au/default2.asp

http://www.customs.gov.au/site/page.cfm?u=4238

Thats what you have been told mate but it looks like they have adopted the same policy as the UK in order to protect their citizens from the truth...You need people over there mate and the way to do t is to upgrade your immigrants to refugee status.....http://socsci.flinders.edu.au/global/gl ... ook/a1.htm

[Paphitis]

between the iraq and afganistan wars, troubles in the pacific and protecting our borders the Australian navy is stretched to capacity, no GC should rely on australia to come to their rescue particularly since our current government does not have a stomach for more conflict not to mention Australia excellent relations with Turkey. Just another pipe dream by GC's like the dream of russia, greece, france etc etc coming to their rescue.

Believe me when I tell you that Australia has the most advance surveillance and intelligence gathering networks in the world. Satellite surveillance covers all of Australia's coastline 24/7, and is supplemented with civil and military surveillance aircraft and UAVs. Illegal immigration, drug running is nonexistent, with airports and ports being the only "soft" spot.

The intelligence gathering infrastructure is second to none and covers the globe. Pine Gap is just one part of the intelligence link which hooks up with other agencies and nations from bases in North America (NORAD), Cyprus, Gibraltar, Middle East, Germany, UK, and SE Asia. The capability is extraordinary as virtually any mobile phone conversation, email, net based forum messages, radio transmission can be intercepted at a phenomenal rate and fed through computers where they are sifted and categorised accordingly using various methods. It is estimated that around 20,000,000 mobile phone conversations are intercepted daily. The information is processed at The Defence Signals Directorate in Canberra, which is Australia's most secretive and covert agencies. Other intelligence is handled by ASIO and ASIC (Australia's CIA equivalent).

Australia's navy is not needed to protect Australia's borders. It is planned that the RAN will be divided into 2 main battle groups. The Indian Ocean Fleet and The Pacific Fleet. Each battle group will comprise 1 aircraft carrier, 2 Air Warfare Destroyers, 4 Destroyers, 4 Frigates, 4 Corvettes, 3 Collins Class Submarines and 2 Supply ships.

For border security, Australia will rely on its surveillance capabilities, which are second to none and the Freemantle Class Patrol Fleet. The only issue which is of concern is the illegal Indonesian shark fin fishing fleet in the North, and the illegal Russian Patagonian Toothfish fleet around Heard Island within Australia's Antarctic territories.

The RAN is very easily able to deploy anywhere around the world to protect Australian interests which may also include drilling for oil within Cyprus' EEZ. Any Turkish warship can be dealt with quite easily by the RAN, not that it would be necessary because Turkey would not even dare to provoke a navy with so much fire power. The fact that Australian ships are also able to replenish in Cyprus, Crete, Malta, or Gibraltar is also advantageous.

The RAN is a small navy, but in terms of firepower it is one of the most capable in the world. The 2 Aircraft Carriers will most probably be equipped with F-18 Super Hornets until a suitable alternative is found.

You may also think that Australian relations with Turkey are excellent, but that is not entirely correct. Australian relations with Turkey can only be classified as good, but relations with Cyprus are excellent. Australia values Cyprus much more than it does Turkey, because the 2 British SBAs are a vital link in Australia's intelligence gathering capabilities that I mentioned earlier. For this very reason, one RAN Battle Group could very likely be permanently based in the East Mediterranean where they will more than likely cooperate with the US 6th Fleet, and NATO.

Just wondering at the Paphitis logic.....It is sounding as wacky as GRs..


Satellite surveillance and some men are adequate to control the entire massive coastline of Oz but airports and ports that are overrun with security are the soft spots.....

My logic comes from having years of experience in the ADF and Defence Industry.

Australia has elliminated all illegal immigration. Australia's border security is watertigth due to satellite surveillance, Fast Patrol Craft, UAV's, civil and military defence aircraft.

The ADF has very little to do with border security. Australian Customs, Coastwatch are doing the bulk of the work.

You do not need manpower to secure your borders. And you don't need Aircraft Carriers either. A few satellite, UAVs and surveillance aircraft is all you need. The ADF only pitches in with some P3-Orion surveillance flights. Interception is done using RAN Freemantle Class patrol vessels and Customs Coastwatch patrol craft.

The ADF has very little to do with border security. Australian Customs, Coastwatch are doing the bulk of the work.

http://www.surveillanceaustralia.com.au/default2.asp

http://www.customs.gov.au/site/page.cfm?u=4238

Thats what you have been told mate but it looks like they have adopted the same policy as the UK in order to protect their citizens from the truth...You need people over there mate and the way to do t is to upgrade your immigrants to refugee status.....http://socsci.flinders.edu.au/global/gl ... ook/a1.htm

Australia no longer has an immigration issue.

It has been dealt with long ago. And not many people are game trying to enter Australia illegally as they will be dealt with severely.

Any legitimate refugees are free to apply for entry into Australia through legal avenues.

We do not need people in Australia. Our population is quite enough considering the fact that we are actually the driest continent. Our unemployment is now climbing towards 6%.

[zan]

As long as you as an Oz citizen is happy with that then thats all that matters....

[Paphitis]

As long as you as an Oz citizen is happy with that then thats all that matters....

We don't want to end up with all the social problems you have in the UK.

Australia did at one stage have a rather extensive illegal immigration problem. Most of these illegal immigrants were in actual fact economic refugees who paid people smugglers an enormous amount of money to get to Australia. Most legitimate refugees, and there were very few, were given refugee status and were allowed to stay in Australia temporarily.

The rest were convicted and deported. Their incarceration was prolonged due to them exercising their appeal rights through the legal system.

[Big Al]

As long as you as an Oz citizen is happy with that then thats all that matters....

We don't want to end up with all the social problems you have in the UK.

Australia did at one stage have a rather extensive illegal immigration problem. Most of these illegal immigrants were in actual fact economic refugees who paid people smugglers an enormous amount of money to get to Australia. Most legitimate refugees, and there were very few, were given refugee status and were allowed to stay in Australia temporarily.

The rest were convicted and deported. Their incarceration was prolonged due to them exercising their appeal rights through the legal system.

Paphitis,
You are seriously overestimating the illegal immigrant issue, the navy will always need to be involved in patrols as no technology exists yet that enables us to pick up on every single illegal immigrant attempting to enter our waters. Secondly you stated that australia has been able to eliminate the illgal immigrant issue through our monitoring abilities...this is complete crap and you know it, the only reason the number of attempts to enter australia has dropped (NOT STOPPED) is because the former government opened up these detention centers off our shores (similar to guantanamo bay) which made australia a less attractrive option because if caught they are likely to spend a decade on these island prisons.
thirdly no one disputes the training and effectiveness of the RAN, however the number of personnel and navy hardware is limitied, and the demand around the world for their services is huge, the RAN has about 1000 other places they are required before they even look at cyprus let alone take sides with the GC's.
Lastly, if you genuinely believe the GC government has a better relationship with the australian government than what the turkish government does you are seriously deluded. i am not going to waste my time arguing with you on this one because the speacial relationship between turkey and australia is evident to all in this country, so either you do not live in australia or you must live in some sort of bubble where you do not interact with the rest of society.

[Oracle]

You'd have to be mad, bad, or seriously desperate to volunteer to live in Australia.

I don't know why, but since reading "Walkabout" ... I have done my utmost to stay away ...

No offence to those whose parents landed them there, but really guys, aside from some nice weather in a few isolated spots, it seriously is the place to get away from, even Dame Edna Everage ran off, not to mention Clive James and Germaine Greer ...