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[Murtaza]

Unfortunately this is the kinda crap that kids are being brought up with ...... and the new generation is unlikely to be kind to the Turks whilst this kinda crap is being handed down from the parents....

We don't need to be taught anything. We can see with our oun eyes that there is an army occupying our homes and if we try to get them back they will either kill us or sent us to jail.
Why should we love these people when they violate our most basic human rights on a daily basis????

So you want war?
good luck.
Because with this type of thinking even after the joined cyprus.
There would be war between people.
Maybe cyprus should stay like this.

[garbitsch]

Unfortunately this is the kinda crap that kids are being brought up with ...... and the new generation is unlikely to be kind to the Turks whilst this kinda crap is being handed down from the parents....

We don't need to be taught anything. We can see with our oun eyes that there is an army occupying our homes and if we try to get them back they will either kill us or sent us to jail.
Why should we love these people when they violate our most basic human rights on a daily basis????

Pirati, I wish I'd see more from you. You did get the things totally wrong. This guy says we Turkish Cypriots have no right to call ourselves "Cypriots", because our ancestors invaded Cyprus 500 years ago. He is not talking about 74. But it seems you have no opposite views to this boy's argument.

[Leon]

garbitsch, you are well out of order there! And everybody else. I grew up and learned about the war myself. My father is Cypriot, and I wasn't brought up with him, so I've learnt about the war myself from a lot of different sources and have made my own decisions. Don't get angry, I've kept my cool, and I'd like a civilised debate so don't take your anger out on me and my beliefs. Originally, when I was much younger, I just thought that main land Turks invaded, but I learned more and found out that Cypriots and Turks lived together for years and years, and for a while I was actually on the Turks' side, but when I realised they invaded years ago and were evil, I soon changed my mind. I'm not on the Greeks' and Cypriots' side simply because that is my origin All of my teachers said this, not just one How would you know that they're lying You don't have a right to be called Cypriot because you are a Turk whose ancestors invaded a country, and you and your forefathers have been brought up for years there, but that does not give you the right to call yourself a Cypriot. Let's just imagine that the Germans managed to invade England, and lived alongside some English survivors, the Germans would have no right to call themselves English Why are you saying that I think only Turks are evil I NEVER EVEN MENTIONED OTHER PEOPLE I think so many races (including the English) have been so cruel beyond words! I'm not racist, hate racists, and my family is exactly the same, so don't categorise me into their small minded league! Turks also changed names of our places which is no way fair. I've admitted the Greeks' guilt and accept it fully. It seems as though you're making excuses to get at me. I've not used foul language to get my point across, it's unnecessary, especially in a conversation about such a topic.

Anyway it's not just the fact of what your ancestors did all those centuries ago, you have been occupying Cyprus illegally for years and still are Of course you personally are not going to feel this because you've been brought up there and it's just going to feel like your own home, but it's not fair, and what the Greeks did was retaliation and revenge for all those years of torture. It does seem like Turks are/were just against the Greek race altogether, because a lot of what I've said happened in Greece aswell. Why can't you just accept you're in the wrong and it's not fair Don't go off topic or make excuses, just answer that, please. Do you honestly think you and the other Turks occupying Cyprus have the right to be called Cypriots -- REALLY? My uncle fled from Famagusta with bombs dropping all over his town, how would he feel towards the Turks? All he had was the clothes he had on His family resides in Limassol and he owns beach water-sports and mainly builds and fixes boats in Larnaka where he has lived for years.

And Murtaza, I'm afraid that Cyprus should stay how it is. A joined Cyprus is just too much right now, and people seem to be getting on well how they are now. I don't think their should be an official separation though, because north Cyprus (which is rightfully Cypriot) would be officially a Turk place, which is not fair. If there are too many changes things seem to go down hill...

I'd love to go to north Cyprus though. I've heard nothing has changed since the 1974 war and it's still like 31 years behind. It seems a lovely place and apparently the Turks don't cause arguments and fights so at least if I went I would feel safe and welcome.

Leon.

[Piratis]

This guy says we Turkish Cypriots have no right to call ourselves "Cypriots", because our ancestors invaded Cyprus 500 years ago. He is not talking about 74. But it seems you have no opposite views to this boy's argument.

Sorry, too many posts here lately, I don't follow all threads fully. I jumped at the end of this one

Such thing as racial purity exists only in some lost tribes in the Amazon. It definitely does not exist in Cyprus. I might have more Turkish blood than you do.
The problem is that at some point we developed nationalism, and unfortunately it was not a Cypriot nationalism and this is partly due to our fault (not very smart) and the much smarter ones that manipulated us.

What is worst, is that some people don't seem to be willing to even try to correct our past mistakes and they prefer racist separation that will lead to even worst situations.

[brother]

Piratis has hit the nail right on the head.

[erolz]

Such thing as racial purity exists only in some lost tribes in the Amazon. It definitely does not exist in Cyprus. I might have more Turkish blood than you do.
The problem is that at some point we developed nationalism, and unfortunately it was not a Cypriot nationalism and this is partly due to our fault (not very smart) and the much smarter ones that manipulated us.

I too agree with this analysis.

What is worst, is that some people don't seem to be willing to even try to correct our past mistakes and they prefer racist separation that will lead to even worst situations.

I am guessing that you consider me one of these people who is not willing to try and correct our past mistakes and that prefers racist seperation? I would just say that I am not. I want nothing more that GC and TC to genuinely work togeather to build a true Cypriot nation irrespective and regardless of TC and GC. I disagree with you about how we can do that I guess (get from where we are now to this agreed goal) but I do not disagree with this goal.

[magikthrill]

Such thing as racial purity exists only in some lost tribes in the Amazon. It definitely does not exist in Cyprus. I might have more Turkish blood than you do.
The problem is that at some point we developed nationalism, and unfortunately it was not a Cypriot nationalism and this is partly due to our fault (not very smart) and the much smarter ones that manipulated us.

probably the most excellently put post ive ever read on this forum

[garbitsch]

I was not well-prepared for Piratis message and my heartburn ran mild

Leon, your post is still full of racism and misjudgement and misinterpretation of the history of Cyprus. As I told you, you deserve such fool language because you are fool by yourself. So you are saying the Americans should be called "English", because they have invaded the land of Indians, which are true Americans? Oh wait! The Australians and New Zealanders deserve to be called "English" and the true Australians and New Zealanders are Aborigines and Maoris. The bloody Egyptians are actually Arabs but they are currently occupying the land of ancient Egyptians... The English had also occupied the island of Great Britain, therefore they have no right to be called British... The Spaniards and Portuguese were all came to Iberian peninsula from the mids of Europe and they shouldn't be called with that names but with something else, call them Ostrogoths or Visigoths if you like. The Spanish speakers of Argentine, Peru, Chile, Colombia, Cuba, Domonican Republic, Venezuela, Uruguay, Paraguay, Panama, Honduras, Costa Rica, El Salvador, Mexico, Guatremala, Ecuador, Bolivia (any left?) should be called Spanish, because they came to American continent and killed and wiped out the original settlers, e.g. Aztecs, Mayans etc. The people living in Jamaica are actually African slaves, they have no right according to your moronic logic to be called Jamaican. The Brazilians are actually decsendents of Portuguese invadors and the African slaves. So they have no right to be called "Brazilian".
Fair enough? OR shall I continue to hit your stupidity to your face?

[Murtaza]

garbitsch he is still a child.
No important how his mind defiled by his mad greek teacher.

[Leon]

My Greek teacher is not mad, and don't say I don't know what I'm talking about just because I'm a child, Murtaza.

And garbitsch, who said anything about the Portuguese, Spaniards, British, Jamaicans and Africans Not me that's for sure. That's off topic as far as I'm concerned. But what makes you think you should be allowed to be called a Cypriot Your ancestors invaded my country -- you're not Cypriot, mate. I'm more Cypriot than you are, and that's just my father. I just want the land to be given back to their rightful owners and for the Turkish people to leave Cyprus, or stay there if they go through proper procedures of actually buying the property, not invading it

Does anyone here have MSN Messenger by the way

Leon.