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[Yiannis]

cyprus is something like a greek mainland colony that depends more and more from financial decisions from athens

I was totally shocked by this point of yours. I dont really think that any decisions according to the cypriot Economy or the running of the goverment takes place in Athens. If you are talking about some agreements made through the time about having cypriot students studying for free in greek universities or any other cooperations in many fields then i would say that ur point is a joke.Afterall if you think about it right now cyprus is being run by Europe if we would take your point seriously.So what, does that mean that we should just become Europeans with no nationality. Oh and by the way overshore companies is a very common thing around the world these days if u didnt know.

and at the end of they day ,why do we refuse our real nationalities?we are greeks and turks!thats it!thats where we both belong(gcs and tcs)....

The idea of unification with the motherlands in my opinion will never attract the majorities of either of the communities. However other than that i totally disagree with your statement that we are just the same as greeks and turks.At least for GCs we have a lot of differences with Greeks.The only similarities i can see with Greeks are in tradition, in religion and in language.

[sk]

only similarities you can see with greeks is in language,tradition and religion?i am sorry but you are GREEK.in case you refuse this you better get another nationality bc simply cypriot nationality simply doesnt exist.
greek companies invest more money in cyprus that a common eye can see,the opposite is valid also(huge investments in greece by cyprus).

What i am wondering is what happened and some people have lost their faith and refuse that they are greeks!why do you speak greek?what was your original language and why did you adopt greek language?or are going to tell us those ridiculous arguments that people from FYROM say,that alexander the great was macedonian(skopjian)who simply adopted greek language and customs?(in our case you as a cypriot adopted greek language for some unknown reason).

by refusing you are greek you simply do what the foreign powers want,which is to lose your identity so the can take advantage of you....

honestly i admire turkish cypriots who continuously say that they are turks but living in cyprus,maybe some "greek" cypriots should take an example from them
i would recommend to everyone to study a bit more history...

by the way,why in 1821 "cypriots" also tried to make a revolution in cyprus ?bc they only spoke greek,or bc they were GREEK?

why did "cypriot"students had such a big percentages of places in greek universities until cyprus joined the european union?just bc they spoke greek or bc they are GREEK?

as for the economy,i am not saying the decisions are taken in athens....what i mean is that with the huge amount of greek companies investing in cyprus,any decisions that are taken in athens and affect greek economy,will affect the investments of these companies in cyprus.....its a circle.....
as for cyprus being run by eu..well, wait a few more years and you will see that the whole of europe will be run by brussels,not just cyprus....

[Yiannis]

only similarities you can see with greeks is in language,tradition and religion?i am sorry but you are GREEK

Can u please inform me on what the similarities are then? By the way i know that we do have some similarities but does that make us Greeks? I dont know if u noticed but we are living in the 21st century and in this century we are all just citizens of the world and only 3rd world countries totally differ in ways of living with the most advanced ones.(By the way i would like to include Cyprus as an advanced country). However to come to my point being a country means sharing the same land. Especially for the case of Cyprus is just stupid to divide such a small piece of land just for the sake of satisfying each parts crazy thinking of being a greek or turk.

greek companies invest more money in cyprus that a common eye can see,the opposite is valid also(huge investments in greece by cyprus).

Once again i dont see your point in this. I dont know the numbers but i can also say that the Russian investment in Cyprus is around the same amount as Greek investment.SO WHAT?Does that make us Russians???

why do you speak greek

Once again your point is senseless.Language doesnt define a country.Places all around Europe use languages that are not unique.

by refusing you are greek you simply do what the foreign powers want,which is to lose your identity so the can take advantage of you....

My friend in my opinion our identity has been lost a long time ago and as a matter of fact thats what im hoping for Cyprus.That one day we will have an identity.To just say that we have the Greek identity its just not enough for me. The last time we where the closest to being part of Greece was in 'Byzantine Period (330 - 1191 AD)' . I feel respect to my ancestors for fighting to keep this island greek but for many reasons unfortunately we failed and for me in 1960 was the end of this fight. Is time to move on sk, all we are managing to do is to cause confusion in future generations.

why did "cypriot"students had such a big percentages of places in greek universities until cyprus joined the european union?

Hmm thats a tough one let me think.... oh i know because we speak the same language!!!

[Leon]

Greek-speaking people from Cyprus are Cypriot. I have heard (and use it sometimes) Cypriots called Greeks, but as far as I'm concerned I'm half English and half Cypriot (English-Cypriot). I don't like the term British either (and Britain and United Kingdom).

sk if what you say is supposed to be true, then Americans, Australians and Canadians to name a minority are all English

Any way, back to my original question: who's fault is it? If the Turks really did invade over 300 years ago then they have no right to be in my country whatsoever. I hate each person who is living in north Cyprus illegally (this includes English and other foreigners as well as Turks). But there are obviously Cypriots living in Turks' homes on the south side, which of course isn't fair.

I'm not racist, so don't take it the wrong way, because that's looking for petty excuses of my hatred.

I'd love to go to north Cyprus, but I won't cause arguments and fights because it won't get me anywhere. I've heard the Turks in north Cyprus are very nice people (nothing like the main landers) but it doesn't stop the way I feel.

Leon

[Murtaza]

Greek-speaking people from Cyprus are Cypriot. I have heard (and use it sometimes) Cypriots called Greeks, but as far as I'm concerned I'm half English and half Cypriot (English-Cypriot). I don't like the term British either (and Britain and United Kingdom).

sk if what you say is supposed to be true, then Americans, Australians and Canadians to name a minority are all English

Any way, back to my original question: who's fault is it? If the Turks really did invade over 300 years ago then they have no right to be in my country whatsoever. I hate each person who is living in north Cyprus illegally (this includes English and other foreigners as well as Turks). But there are obviously Cypriots living in Turks' homes on the south side, which of course isn't fair.

I'm not racist, so don't take it the wrong way, because that's looking for petty excuses of my hatred.

I'd love to go to north Cyprus, but I won't cause arguments and fights because it won't get me anywhere. I've heard the Turks in north Cyprus are very nice people (nothing like the main landers) but it doesn't stop the way I feel.

Leon

Dont make problem.
Guilt is your drama teacher.
Err I mean history teacher.

[garbitsch]

Greek-speaking people from Cyprus are Cypriot. I have heard (and use it sometimes) Cypriots called Greeks, but as far as I'm concerned I'm half English and half Cypriot (English-Cypriot). I don't like the term British either (and Britain and United Kingdom).

sk if what you say is supposed to be true, then Americans, Australians and Canadians to name a minority are all English

Any way, back to my original question: who's fault is it? If the Turks really did invade over 300 years ago then they have no right to be in my country whatsoever. I hate each person who is living in north Cyprus illegally (this includes English and other foreigners as well as Turks). But there are obviously Cypriots living in Turks' homes on the south side, which of course isn't fair.

I'm not racist, so don't take it the wrong way, because that's looking for petty excuses of my hatred.

I'd love to go to north Cyprus, but I won't cause arguments and fights because it won't get me anywhere. I've heard the Turks in north Cyprus are very nice people (nothing like the main landers) but it doesn't stop the way I feel.

Leon

It's weird that you call Greek Cypriots "Cypriots" but exclude Turkish Cypriots from this so-called "Cypriotness" category. Besides, I shouldn't feel "guilty" to be living in Cyprus, just because my ancestors invaded the island 300 years ago (in fact they came in 1571, which makes is appr. 480 years). This is a very childish mentality, I am afraid. Turks have been existing in Cyprus more than Yankees in America.

[Leon]

Yeah I thought that the invasion was over 400 years ago and someone told me it was 300 years .

It doesn't matter, garbitsch. You can't say "Oh, I'm a Cypriot" just because your ancestors that invaded did it so many years ago. You can't forget about just due to the amount of years ago it is. No offence, mate, but you don't deserve to be called a Cypriot, even though (I'm guessing) that it wasn't you yourself that invaded or caused wars.

I hate the words 'Greek-Cypriot', 'Turkish-Cypriot' and 'TRNC'. As far as I'm concerned the Greek-speakers of Cyprus are Cypriot, the Turkish-speakers are Turks, and the occupied area of Cyprus is north Cyprus.

[garbitsch]

Whether you call us Turks or whatever, this does not change the fact that Turks of Cyprus are Cypriots aswell... You can deny it in your small world that have fantasized in your brain, but this does not change the actual facts... I am totally shocked by your minimalistic argument, but I am quite sure you are just one of the ignorant foreigners whose one of the parents is from Cyprus.

[Main_Source]

Leon, so what if some of the Turkish speakers of Cyprus are ancestors of Greeks who converted to Islam to avoid suffering?

[Leon]

garbitsch, I'm not arguing -- just debating!

I'm not being rude, but how do people who invaded Cyprus and Greece years and years ago, closed down Greek and Cypriot schools, kidnapped Greek and Cypriot babies so they could be brought up in Turkey and return to murder their real families deserve to be called Cypriot It's wrong, and if you fail to accept that, then God knows what the other Turks in Cyprus think.

Leon.