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[Murtaza]

Leon Persian
If you tell them serbian you will realy have a realy realy bad day.
Because Persians are native people of Iran.
And I dont think they love serbs much for balkain issues.

[Murtaza]

Mr Murtaza

Didn't you know Sufism was invented by Alexander the Great

You are not serious?
They claim it ?

[suetoniuspaulinus]

Mr Murtaza

Didn't you know Sufism was invented by Alexander the Great

You are not serious?
They claim it ?

He was also the first person to make Pastirma from donkeys

[Murtaza]

Mr Murtaza

Didn't you know Sufism was invented by Alexander the Great

You are not serious?
They claim it ?

He was also the first person to make Pastirma from donkeys

LOL that may be True. A self-respecting Turk dont make pastirma from donkey

[suetoniuspaulinus]

Mr Leon

Do you think they spoke the Greek language that you know and love.?

Do you think GC's are direct descendants of this remarkable Macedonian?

He may have been tutored by Aristotle but the Athenians still thought he was a barbarian.

[suetoniuspaulinus]

Which of these Conquerors used Greek as their Language?

The Acheans. But as I said they were not Conquerors. They simply settled in Cyprus by founding new cities.

May I ask from were you got your timeline from?
It creates an artificial "era" of more than 1500 years in which they include everybody in order to diminish the initial colonization by the Greeks which is the reason why Greek Cypriots exist.

How about a timeline:

1191-1960: Cyprus is ruled by Francs, English, Ottomans etc.

I hope you understand that this is wrong.

Mr Piratis

The next civilization to rise in the Aegean was the Mycenaean Civilization which lasted from 1400-1200 BC. (In Homer, the Mycenaeans are called "Acheans.") These people were still not the "Greeks" who later ruled the region.

One theory states that the Mycenaeans really were the Greeks who came down from the north. What is known, however, is that the Greek speaking people came to the mainland around 1450 BC. Around 1400 BC, the Minoan civilization was destroyed. The culture of the Aegean shifted from the islands to the mainlands.

During the time of the Mycenaeans, the Hittites controlled much of Asia Minor. Their dates, 1450-1200 BC, coincide with the dates of the Mycenaeans. It is logical to say that the two cultures had to have communicated with one another although there is little scholarly evidence. This, too, is a point in Greek history that is often debated.

According to Greek tradition, the Trojan War happened around 1200 BC, near the end of the Mycenaean civilization. The old scholarly view was that the Mycenaeans were invaded by a Dorian tribe from the north who destroyed them. Currently, scholars believe the Mycenaeans declined because of fighting amongst themselves. This view is the most archeologically correct.

http://www.geocities.com/tkp42/greece/history.html

[Leon]

Oops, thanks Murtaza, I mean Persians, not Serbians .

[Piratis]

Achean: a member of one of the four divisions of the prehistoric Greeks

Form your American friends:

After 1400 B.C., Mycenaean and Mycenaean-Achaean traders from the northeastern Peloponnesus began regular commercial visits to the island. Settlers from the same areas arrived in large numbers toward the end of the Trojan War (traditionally dated about 1184 B.C.). Even in modern times, a strip of the northern coast was known as the Achaean Coast in commemoration of those early settlers. The newcomers spread the use of their spoken language and introduced a script that greatly facilitated commerce. They also introduced the potter's wheel and began producing pottery that eventually was carried by traders to many mainland markets. By the end of the second millennium B.C., a distinctive culture had developed on Cyprus. The island's culture was tempered and enriched by its position as a crossroads for the commerce of three continents, but in essence it was distinctively Hellenic.

http://lcweb2.loc.gov/frd/cs/cytoc.html

I don't see why anybody would need to reduce the "Greekness" of Greek Cypriots. Does it bother anybody that Greek Cypriots have lived on this island for 3500 years? This doesn't make Turkish Cypriots any less Cypriots.

[tcklim]

So nice to see the thread developing into a level-headed and open discussion Is it just me or have some people actually relaxed their views??

Now if we can only get the 2 sides to actually discuss in real-life... we might have somethin goin there....

[Michael Coumas]

tcklim, my sentiments exactly. Last evening I was amazed at the general consensus of opinion being the same from all quarters to the point where I was thinking that there may be a glimmer of hope there somewhere after all.
Leon, your age is of no importance to me, I will always listen to and respect your views. I will admit to probably being a lot older than you and probably your parents too but I would ask you to listen to others, you don’t have to accept all that they say but a balanced objective and factual representation of events is preferable than a jaundiced hate fuelled rendition of old themes that have been distorted by exaggeration on all sides.
War is a horrific experience, atrocities are committed by all combatants in one form or another, sometimes by necessity sometimes not, but atrocities they are all the same. The secret is to be man enough to admit wrongdoing and do all you can to be a better human being in peace time.
I read that ‘Brother’ had a bad experience involving his family. I do not know the man but I believe he may be a Turkish Cypriot but I feel for him nonetheless. No one should have to suffer what he described. I do know that what he writes is generally level headed and from that alone I, as a Greek Cypriot, would stand side by side with him. To me he and others like him are Cypriots no matter what the ethnic origin. My Grandfather spoke of life in harmony with Greek and Turkish Cypriots living and working the fields side by side. If I told you my father was born in 1916 you can begin to guess when my Grandfather was around. Unfortunately his grave and the others in the village together with the local church have been desecrated and smashed but that is an action borne out of Ignorance and perpetuated propaganda. I would take great exception to any past teacher of my children preaching what yours allegedly has.
I have no doubt that women and children were killed / murdered / violated call it what you will but although not palatable we must move forward and live in hope that future generations can and must firstly admit fault then find common ground on which to build a future for their children’s children.
Forgive me, I do not intend this to appear like a preaching, nothing could be further from the truth, all I wish is for the poisoning of young minds to stop as each side is as culpable as the other. That is all I wish to say except that should anyone think to ask yes I lost family during the troubles, male and female, I just live in hope not self pity.
Must go & pack as I am off to Cyprus tomorrow.