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[Leon]

Well of course they didn't Who would want other people invading their country?

[Murtaza]

Leon, it is true that Ottomans kidnapped non-Muslim babies and raise as Janissaries, but not necessarily they were forced to kill their families. What for?
Read something about them: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janissary

demetriou, after all of those helps to your demands, you betrayed us!

Garbitsch he dont say janissaries.
He is telling now Turks kidnapped babies.
And no Ottomans dont kidnap babies.
They were not force to kill their families.
And they know their nationality.
when they take children, they are not baby but 7-14 child.


http://janissaries.biography.ms/

[Leon]

THERE YOU GO:

The first janissary units comprised war captives and slaves. After the 1380s Sultan Selim I filled their ranks with the results of taxation in human form called devshirmeh. The sultan’s men would conscript a number of non-Muslim, usually Christian, boys – at first at random, later by strict selection – and take them to be trained. In later centuries they seem to have preferred Greeks, Serbs and Bulgarians

Quoted by Wikipedia.

[Leon]

Not so mad after all, is she, that teacher

[Murtaza]

THERE YOU GO:

The first janissary units comprised war captives and slaves. After the 1380s Sultan Selim I filled their ranks with the results of taxation in human form called devshirmeh. The sultan’s men would conscript a number of non-Muslim, usually Christian, boys – at first at random, later by strict selection – and take them to be trained. In later centuries they seem to have preferred Greeks, Serbs and Bulgarians

Quoted by Wikipedia.

did you ever saw a kidnapped baby?
We know Mimar Sinan is Armenia.
So it looks like their nationalty told them.
They take when they are 7-14 I am not sure, but It looks like to me they know who is their family too.
And after 1600 I think they are no more devsirhmes but all Turks.

So noone kidnapped greek babies.
And your mad teacher at least should be 400 years old, for his mother hold istanbul by force.
Oh no. Devsirhmes are not female.

[Murtaza]

Not so mad after all, is she, that teacher

Complately mad. She decorate her lies with some truths.
And sorry if your mad teacher told her mother was forcely put out of İstanbul. Yes that is true. But noone forcely hold a greek in Istanbul.

[Murtaza]

Well of course they didn't Who would want other people invading their country?

Leon no they want.
Because venedics were treating them like they are animal.
They had no rights. They were serfs.
They had no freedom of religion.

[Murtaza]

that is realy disgusting type of teaching

[suetoniuspaulinus]

Mr Leon

Still no answer to my question???

A brief history of the Forces who occupied Cyprus


7000 - 3900 BC Neolithic Age.

3900 - 2600 BC Chalcolithic Age.

2000 BC Bronze Age, influence of Asia Minor.

1500 - 332 BC Colonisation by Phoenicians, Acheans,
Assyrians, Egyptians and Persians.

333 BC Alexander the Great ends Persian
domination.

195 - 58 BC Reign of Ptolemy.

58 BC - 330 AD Cyprus annexed by Rome.

330 - 1191 AD Byzantine Period.

1191 AD Richard I of England conquers Cyprus.

1192 - 1489 AD Lusignian Reign.

1372 - 1374 AD Genoese occupation of Famagusta.

1489 - 1571 AD Venetians annexe Cyprus.

1571 AD Ottoman conquest of Cyprus.

1571 - 1914 AD Cyprus becomes an Ottoman province.

1878 - 1914 AD Ottomans cede administration of the
island to Great Britain.

1914 - 1960 AD Cyprus is annexed by Great Britain and
under the Traty of Lausanne becomes a
Crown Colony in 1925.

1960 AD The Republic of Cyprus is granted
independence.

1963 AD Political rivalry between the Greek and
Turkish Communities .

1964 AD UN. Peace force stationed in Cyprus.



Where oh where do the Greeks come into this story Mr Leon?

The people of Cyprus were the peasants who lived under various rulers.

Christianity was established on the Island in Roman times.

After the Great Schism The Catholic Church divided into two, where those who lived in that which was the Eastern Roman Empire were termed "Orthodox" Catholic as opposed to "Roman" Catholic.

The Language of the bible was translated from Aramaic to Hebrew to Latin to Greek. Christians used and became used to the Greek language for this reason.

Please print this and show it to your teacher. She may be able to come up with an explanation that you can post later

[Piratis]

Ok, again I didn't read everything, but I noticed something not very correct:

Leon let me think.
There were people before the greeks attacked Cyprus.
What happened them?

I think just 3 alternatives.

1-Killed by Greeks.
2-Assimilated by greeks
3-Kick out of island by Greeks.

It is closer to 2 but not exactly. When the Greeks first came to Cyprus 3500 years ago the concept of a country did not exist, at least in our area. What we had were city kingdoms, which in the case of Cyprus were mainly self ruled villages. The population of the whole island was just some thousands with some villages with almost no kind of communication or association between them (Cyprus was full with forests at that time, not like it is now)

The Greeks of that time simply sailed around the Mediterranean and founded new cities. They were mainly merchants, not warriors. They didn't invade and occupy the land of others. So they founded some new cities in Cyprus. Phoenicians had also build their own in Cyprus at some point.

However the Greeks were more developed than the others in Cyprus, in general they had a much higher civilization. Because of this over several years other people start adopting the Greek culture on the island. It goes on from there.

Since then the majority of this island speaks Greek and has a Greek type of culture.

Therefore I do not think it is correct to diminish the Greek element of Cyprus. Greek Cypriots were Greek Cypriots during the Persian rule, the Ottoman rule, the British rule etc. Who ruled Cyprus is irrelevant in this respect.

Of course except from Greek Cypriots we have other Cypriots as well, which are no less Cypriots and they have their own kind of Cyprus culture.

The problem starts (as I said in my other post) when all these Cypriots think first like Greeks or first like Turks, and not first as Cypriots.
In the USA for example, they have Italian Americans, Irish Americans, African Americans, Asian Americans etc, but they feel Americans above all.
This should be the aim in Cyprus also.