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[Kikapu]

What dont you get Kikapu, it doesnt matter if our singer sang in Turkish English or French 800.000 biased GCs would never vote for them....why cant you understand this? what will you do if we never get picked knowing that on many occassion our singers or musicians entry was better than any GC entry????

It has not been tried, so you do not know. Granted, as long as we are holding their land at present, they will not be voting for a TC in a million years, and if you expect anything differently, then you would be delusional. We are talking about after a peace settlement I thought, and when the dust settles, you cannot say, that the GC's will not choose a TC singer, if the TC singer's song is better. You forget, that the following years venue is set at the country that won, so it would mean a great deal of business for Cyprus. Trust me, money speaks louder than a little pride, by voting for a bad song over a good song.!

[Viewpoint]

What dont you get Kikapu, it doesnt matter if our singer sang in Turkish English or French 800.000 biased GCs would never vote for them....why cant you understand this? what will you do if we never get picked knowing that on many occassion our singers or musicians entry was better than any GC entry????

It has not been tried, so you do not know. Granted, as long as we are holding their land at present, they will not be voting for a TC in a million years, and if you expect anything differently, then you would be delusional. We are talking about after a peace settlement I thought, and when the dust settles, you cannot say, that the GC's will not choose a TC singer, if the TC singer's song is better. You forget, that the following years venue is set at the country that won, so it would mean a great deal of business for Cyprus. Trust me, money speaks louder than a little pride, by voting for a bad song over a good song.!

You are saying take of your life jacket and test the muddy waters, without safeguards to ensure our participation then forget it, we will not take that leap of faith you prescribe from the comfort of your home abroad as it will leave us excluded and again fighting for our rights.

You are deluding only yourself when you think that GC will vote for anything TC be it a singer or politician, thats what I am trying to drum home to you but you still think they are European and will not use their numerical advanatge to the fullest and at every opportunity to our detrement, dont ask to jump into the fire we have to much to loose.

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The subject has yet again swang from the real issue which is not the quality of such contests but the fact that TCs will never be able to represent Cyprus is united or not because GCs will do everything within their power to stop and exclude us.

We should consider ourselves lucky really.!

Has the TC's ever tried to enter for Cyprus in the last few years and were turned down.?

Would a TC sing a song under the flag of Cyprus.?

Would the "majority" vote for a TC? thats the crux of mistrust GCs will always use their advantage to get what they want not what we want just as the case of stopping enosis we have to fight for our rights against a racist majority which will always ensure we are excluded unless there are plenty of safeguards to guarantee our effective participation, eg if a TC singer is never chosen over a given period then we at least get a look in over given period of time but if GCs choose a TC singer on merit then this safeguard wll become redundant.

So the answer to my questions was a resounding NO, so how can you then complain about something if you haven't even tried to do it. Now, can you answer the original questions before saying anything else.!

You cannot have a rotation system as to who should represent Cyprus next. It is an open competition that anyone who wants to represent Cyprus should enter and accept the results chosen by the people. What you want to create is a huge bureaucracy to have a lot of useless pencil pushers to dictate who should be chosen or whose turn it is next. Not just for this stupid contest but for every single little event. You want to reward mediocre and punish excellence. Your ideas are worse than what the communist had in the USSR. If good singers are overlooked by the majority and they choose a bad singer based on ethnic lines, then guess what, the bad singer is going to lose and the whole country will not win, and pretty soon, people will chose excellence over bad regardless what the ethnicity is. If we are ever going to build one nation, one people and one citizenship, then you cannot have quotas based on ethnicity for event representations. But then again, you think like Talat and you both are not interested in having just ONE Cyprus but TWO of everything, just like Noah Arc.

what a load of hog wash idealistic thinking to make a point about something that works on paper...Try adding this to real life and then you might actually see sense Kikapu...The reason the ESC has become the crap it is is because western Europe does not understand the music of the eastern countries and they would score Nil points if they did not conform to western standards. In this respect I am sure that he talent of the TC performer would sound sweet to the ears of GCs understanding the prejudices involved. Even those with the best of intentions...It is human nature...It is human nature that we have to protect against...`that is what law and order is all about...

Nobody said that the song has to be sung in Turkish, Zan. I'm sure the TC will also sing in English if he/she wants any chance of making it to the finals in Cyprus. Cyprus is a English speaking country, at least that is the case in the south, so it is best that it is sung in English and also for the benefit for the rest of Europe.

I feel I need a bath after reading that little post Kikapu...Can you try to be less like a man in a raincoat trying to entice children with sweets please....Its creepy!!!


Cyprus is a Greek speaking country and it is a Turkish speaking country....What you have described is just what I did above....Too scared to sing in your own language because of prejudice...Not what you said, and I agreed, would make a better competition....People singing in their own language with their own style!!!!

The point is Zan, that more Cypriots ( TC's and GC's combined) speak English than any one of the other official languages, Greek or Turkish. I was trying to tell VP, that in order for a TC singer to appeal to the majority of Cypriots, it will be best to sing in English to have a much wider appeal to be selected as a finalist, otherwise the next most common language, Greek, will benefit Greek singing singers. In any case, it appears, all the songs sung in Cyprus are all in English.!

Or French if the political conditions prove right......Russian next maybe???

You are deliberately not mentioning the fact that it would not be acceptable in Turkish...Second class status in one hit.....Nice......Now that we are clear on that, perhaps you can adapt that a thousand times more to all the thousands of times we will have to face that..Perhaps even keeping my curtains closed so that the GCs cannot see he Turkish channel I am watching!!!!!

good job zan

Just common sense arkadas..

Even Turkey enters the contest with English songs you fools, because they do not stand a chance otherwise. What the hell is their excuse.!

Not everything is political, as you two want to make it, just to justify your partition dreams. In Cyprus, if a Greek song is sung and it is understood by 800,000 GC's, and a Turkish song is sung and is understood by 200,000 TC's, which singer has the advantage of going forward to become the finalist. This is not a rocket science, so lets hear it from you two.

Now, if both the performers sung in English, they will both have equal number of listeners and the TC will have just as much chance of winning as the GC singer, because the best song will win. In any case, English is one of the official languages of Cyprus. Perhaps you two did not know that.!

I don't even like the whole concept of this event. Personally, I wished that every nation was forced to sing in their national language, but then again, Switzerland would have 4 languages and Cyprus would have 3, which would make it a problem.!

GCs would never choose a TC to represent them regardless of the language u fool. If singing in English and Greek were prohibited, they would never ever choose Turkish either.

I wonder if u ve ever met a GC in ur life. u r a second-class minority for them. Grow up and see the realities. Thank god majority isn't as blind as u. u ve turned into a GTC.

[Kikapu]

Even Turkey enters the contest with English songs you fools, because they do not stand a chance otherwise. What the hell is their excuse.!

Not everything is political, as you two want to make it, just to justify your partition dreams. In Cyprus, if a Greek song is sung and it is understood by 800,000 GC's, and a Turkish song is sung and is understood by 200,000 TC's, which singer has the advantage of going forward to become the finalist. This is not a rocket science, so lets hear it from you two.

Now, if both the performers sung in English, they will both have equal number of listeners and the TC will have just as much chance of winning as the GC singer, because the best song will win. In any case, English is one of the official languages of Cyprus. Perhaps you two did not know that.!

I don't even like the whole concept of this event. Personally, I wished that every nation was forced to sing in their national language, but then again, Switzerland would have 4 languages and Cyprus would have 3, which would make it a problem.!

GCs would never choose a TC to represent them regardless of the language u fool. If singing in English and Greek were prohibited, they would never ever choose Turkish either.

I wonder if u ve ever met a GC in ur life. u r a second-class minority for them. Grow up and see the realities. Thank god majority isn't as blind as u. u ve turned into a GTC.

Did the GC's not invite the TC's to play football with them nationally and internationally, despite while we are still holding their land. Who refused so Far.?

If you have such negativity towards your fellow countrymen, why on earth is Talat negotiating a peace deal with them.? Why does he not ask for a partition by giving 50% of the north back to the south and then you can have complete control of the north to have any kind of life you want. But no, you will not do that, because you want to hold onto the land that does not belong to you. You people believe that the past cannot be forgiven and new beginning given a chance. You are all wrong of course, because all the countries that were on the wrong side of the WWI and WWII and other major conflicts in the world have put aside their differences and have moved on. Is there any reason why Cypriots cannot do the same.? Perhaps you just don't want to and that is your choice, but your choice so far has been a disaster for the TC's.

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Even Turkey enters the contest with English songs you fools, because they do not stand a chance otherwise. What the hell is their excuse.!

Not everything is political, as you two want to make it, just to justify your partition dreams. In Cyprus, if a Greek song is sung and it is understood by 800,000 GC's, and a Turkish song is sung and is understood by 200,000 TC's, which singer has the advantage of going forward to become the finalist. This is not a rocket science, so lets hear it from you two.

Now, if both the performers sung in English, they will both have equal number of listeners and the TC will have just as much chance of winning as the GC singer, because the best song will win. In any case, English is one of the official languages of Cyprus. Perhaps you two did not know that.!

I don't even like the whole concept of this event. Personally, I wished that every nation was forced to sing in their national language, but then again, Switzerland would have 4 languages and Cyprus would have 3, which would make it a problem.!

GCs would never choose a TC to represent them regardless of the language u fool. If singing in English and Greek were prohibited, they would never ever choose Turkish either.

I wonder if u ve ever met a GC in ur life. u r a second-class minority for them. Grow up and see the realities. Thank god majority isn't as blind as u. u ve turned into a GTC.

Did the GC's not invite the TC's to play football with them nationally and internationally, despite while we are still holding their land. Who refused so Far.?

If you have such negativity towards your fellow countrymen, why on earth is Talat negotiating a peace deal with them.? Why does he not ask for a partition by giving 50% of the north back to the south and then you can have complete control of the north to have any kind of life you want. But no, you will not do that, because you want to hold onto the land that does not belong to you. You people believe that the past cannot be forgiven and new beginning given a chance. You are all wrong of course, because all the countries that were on the wrong side of the WWI and WWII and other major conflicts in the world have put aside their differences and have moved on. Is there any reason why Cypriots cannot do the same.? Perhaps you just don't want to and that is your choice, but your choice so far has been a disaster for the TC's.

u r totally out of topic baby. the question is will GCs ever choose a song in Turkish which is an oficial language of the island or a TC singer who is an official citizen of the island to represent them in Eurovision. The answer is a big OXI.

[DT.]

Even Turkey enters the contest with English songs you fools, because they do not stand a chance otherwise. What the hell is their excuse.!

Not everything is political, as you two want to make it, just to justify your partition dreams. In Cyprus, if a Greek song is sung and it is understood by 800,000 GC's, and a Turkish song is sung and is understood by 200,000 TC's, which singer has the advantage of going forward to become the finalist. This is not a rocket science, so lets hear it from you two.

Now, if both the performers sung in English, they will both have equal number of listeners and the TC will have just as much chance of winning as the GC singer, because the best song will win. In any case, English is one of the official languages of Cyprus. Perhaps you two did not know that.!

I don't even like the whole concept of this event. Personally, I wished that every nation was forced to sing in their national language, but then again, Switzerland would have 4 languages and Cyprus would have 3, which would make it a problem.!

GCs would never choose a TC to represent them regardless of the language u fool. If singing in English and Greek were prohibited, they would never ever choose Turkish either.

I wonder if u ve ever met a GC in ur life. u r a second-class minority for them. Grow up and see the realities. Thank god majority isn't as blind as u. u ve turned into a GTC.

Did the GC's not invite the TC's to play football with them nationally and internationally, despite while we are still holding their land. Who refused so Far.?

If you have such negativity towards your fellow countrymen, why on earth is Talat negotiating a peace deal with them.? Why does he not ask for a partition by giving 50% of the north back to the south and then you can have complete control of the north to have any kind of life you want. But no, you will not do that, because you want to hold onto the land that does not belong to you. You people believe that the past cannot be forgiven and new beginning given a chance. You are all wrong of course, because all the countries that were on the wrong side of the WWI and WWII and other major conflicts in the world have put aside their differences and have moved on. Is there any reason why Cypriots cannot do the same.? Perhaps you just don't want to and that is your choice, but your choice so far has been a disaster for the TC's.

u r totally out of topic baby. the question is will GCs ever choose a song in Turkish which is an oficial language of the island or a TC singer who is an official citizen of the island to represent them in Eurovision. The answer is a big OXI.

How do you know?

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Even Turkey enters the contest with English songs you fools, because they do not stand a chance otherwise. What the hell is their excuse.!

Not everything is political, as you two want to make it, just to justify your partition dreams. In Cyprus, if a Greek song is sung and it is understood by 800,000 GC's, and a Turkish song is sung and is understood by 200,000 TC's, which singer has the advantage of going forward to become the finalist. This is not a rocket science, so lets hear it from you two.

Now, if both the performers sung in English, they will both have equal number of listeners and the TC will have just as much chance of winning as the GC singer, because the best song will win. In any case, English is one of the official languages of Cyprus. Perhaps you two did not know that.!

I don't even like the whole concept of this event. Personally, I wished that every nation was forced to sing in their national language, but then again, Switzerland would have 4 languages and Cyprus would have 3, which would make it a problem.!

GCs would never choose a TC to represent them regardless of the language u fool. If singing in English and Greek were prohibited, they would never ever choose Turkish either.

I wonder if u ve ever met a GC in ur life. u r a second-class minority for them. Grow up and see the realities. Thank god majority isn't as blind as u. u ve turned into a GTC.

Did the GC's not invite the TC's to play football with them nationally and internationally, despite while we are still holding their land. Who refused so Far.?

If you have such negativity towards your fellow countrymen, why on earth is Talat negotiating a peace deal with them.? Why does he not ask for a partition by giving 50% of the north back to the south and then you can have complete control of the north to have any kind of life you want. But no, you will not do that, because you want to hold onto the land that does not belong to you. You people believe that the past cannot be forgiven and new beginning given a chance. You are all wrong of course, because all the countries that were on the wrong side of the WWI and WWII and other major conflicts in the world have put aside their differences and have moved on. Is there any reason why Cypriots cannot do the same.? Perhaps you just don't want to and that is your choice, but your choice so far has been a disaster for the TC's.

u r totally out of topic baby. the question is will GCs ever choose a song in Turkish which is an oficial language of the island or a TC singer who is an official citizen of the island to represent them in Eurovision. The answer is a big OXI.

How do you know?

coz u have an allergy to anything Turkish.
coz I know from experience.
coz you u think u r the only representatives of the island

To avoid GC domination, Eurovision representation should be rotating like in Belgium or Siwtzerland. Even Italian speaking community in Switzerland has the right to repsesent their country when it s their turn. I am sorry but u ll have to recognize the Turkish Cypriot TV in case of unification.

[DT.]

Even Turkey enters the contest with English songs you fools, because they do not stand a chance otherwise. What the hell is their excuse.!

Not everything is political, as you two want to make it, just to justify your partition dreams. In Cyprus, if a Greek song is sung and it is understood by 800,000 GC's, and a Turkish song is sung and is understood by 200,000 TC's, which singer has the advantage of going forward to become the finalist. This is not a rocket science, so lets hear it from you two.

Now, if both the performers sung in English, they will both have equal number of listeners and the TC will have just as much chance of winning as the GC singer, because the best song will win. In any case, English is one of the official languages of Cyprus. Perhaps you two did not know that.!

I don't even like the whole concept of this event. Personally, I wished that every nation was forced to sing in their national language, but then again, Switzerland would have 4 languages and Cyprus would have 3, which would make it a problem.!

GCs would never choose a TC to represent them regardless of the language u fool. If singing in English and Greek were prohibited, they would never ever choose Turkish either.

I wonder if u ve ever met a GC in ur life. u r a second-class minority for them. Grow up and see the realities. Thank god majority isn't as blind as u. u ve turned into a GTC.

Did the GC's not invite the TC's to play football with them nationally and internationally, despite while we are still holding their land. Who refused so Far.?

If you have such negativity towards your fellow countrymen, why on earth is Talat negotiating a peace deal with them.? Why does he not ask for a partition by giving 50% of the north back to the south and then you can have complete control of the north to have any kind of life you want. But no, you will not do that, because you want to hold onto the land that does not belong to you. You people believe that the past cannot be forgiven and new beginning given a chance. You are all wrong of course, because all the countries that were on the wrong side of the WWI and WWII and other major conflicts in the world have put aside their differences and have moved on. Is there any reason why Cypriots cannot do the same.? Perhaps you just don't want to and that is your choice, but your choice so far has been a disaster for the TC's.

u r totally out of topic baby. the question is will GCs ever choose a song in Turkish which is an oficial language of the island or a TC singer who is an official citizen of the island to represent them in Eurovision. The answer is a big OXI.

How do you know?

coz u have an allergy to anything Turkish.
coz I know from experience.
coz you u think u r the only representatives of the island

To avoid GC domination, Eurovision representation should be rotating like in Belgium or Siwtzerland. Even Italian speaking community in Switzerland has the right to repsesent their country when it s their turn. I am sorry but u ll have to recognize the Turkish Cypriot TV in case of unification.

Why do you think you know GC's better than I do? What experience are you talking about? How old are you? We are the only representatives on this island at the moments because we are the legitimate govt of this island. After a solution what will be your excuse?

I've never heard of a rotating ESC representation in Belgium or in Suisse....could you please show me some proof of this as it is very interesting.

[Kikapu]

Even Turkey enters the contest with English songs you fools, because they do not stand a chance otherwise. What the hell is their excuse.!

Not everything is political, as you two want to make it, just to justify your partition dreams. In Cyprus, if a Greek song is sung and it is understood by 800,000 GC's, and a Turkish song is sung and is understood by 200,000 TC's, which singer has the advantage of going forward to become the finalist. This is not a rocket science, so lets hear it from you two.

Now, if both the performers sung in English, they will both have equal number of listeners and the TC will have just as much chance of winning as the GC singer, because the best song will win. In any case, English is one of the official languages of Cyprus. Perhaps you two did not know that.!

I don't even like the whole concept of this event. Personally, I wished that every nation was forced to sing in their national language, but then again, Switzerland would have 4 languages and Cyprus would have 3, which would make it a problem.!

GCs would never choose a TC to represent them regardless of the language u fool. If singing in English and Greek were prohibited, they would never ever choose Turkish either.

I wonder if u ve ever met a GC in ur life. u r a second-class minority for them. Grow up and see the realities. Thank god majority isn't as blind as u. u ve turned into a GTC.

Did the GC's not invite the TC's to play football with them nationally and internationally, despite while we are still holding their land. Who refused so Far.?

If you have such negativity towards your fellow countrymen, why on earth is Talat negotiating a peace deal with them.? Why does he not ask for a partition by giving 50% of the north back to the south and then you can have complete control of the north to have any kind of life you want. But no, you will not do that, because you want to hold onto the land that does not belong to you. You people believe that the past cannot be forgiven and new beginning given a chance. You are all wrong of course, because all the countries that were on the wrong side of the WWI and WWII and other major conflicts in the world have put aside their differences and have moved on. Is there any reason why Cypriots cannot do the same.? Perhaps you just don't want to and that is your choice, but your choice so far has been a disaster for the TC's.

u r totally out of topic baby. the question is will GCs ever choose a song in Turkish which is an oficial language of the island or a TC singer who is an official citizen of the island to represent them in Eurovision. The answer is a big OXI.

How do you know?

coz u have an allergy to anything Turkish.
coz I know from experience.
coz you u think u r the only representatives of the island

To avoid GC domination, Eurovision representation should be rotating like in Belgium or Siwtzerland. Even Italian speaking community in Switzerland has the right to repsesent their country when it s their turn. I am sorry but u ll have to recognize the Turkish Cypriot TV in case of unification.

Why do you think you know GC's better than I do? What experience are you talking about? How old are you? We are the only representatives on this island at the moments because we are the legitimate govt of this island. After a solution what will be your excuse?

I've never heard of a rotating ESC representation in Belgium or in Suisse....could you please show me some proof of this as it is very interesting.

So far, the only songs I've heard sung in the ESC representing Switzerland has been in English. Besides, all 4 ethnic groups in Switzerland see themselves only as Swiss and nothing else. We Cypriots can learn something from them and stop trying to divide Cyprus along ethnic lines. This is the intent of the NeoPartitionist.

[Kikapu]

Even Turkey enters the contest with English songs you fools, because they do not stand a chance otherwise. What the hell is their excuse.!

Not everything is political, as you two want to make it, just to justify your partition dreams. In Cyprus, if a Greek song is sung and it is understood by 800,000 GC's, and a Turkish song is sung and is understood by 200,000 TC's, which singer has the advantage of going forward to become the finalist. This is not a rocket science, so lets hear it from you two.

Now, if both the performers sung in English, they will both have equal number of listeners and the TC will have just as much chance of winning as the GC singer, because the best song will win. In any case, English is one of the official languages of Cyprus. Perhaps you two did not know that.!

I don't even like the whole concept of this event. Personally, I wished that every nation was forced to sing in their national language, but then again, Switzerland would have 4 languages and Cyprus would have 3, which would make it a problem.!

GCs would never choose a TC to represent them regardless of the language u fool. If singing in English and Greek were prohibited, they would never ever choose Turkish either.

I wonder if u ve ever met a GC in ur life. u r a second-class minority for them. Grow up and see the realities. Thank god majority isn't as blind as u. u ve turned into a GTC.

Did the GC's not invite the TC's to play football with them nationally and internationally, despite while we are still holding their land. Who refused so Far.?

If you have such negativity towards your fellow countrymen, why on earth is Talat negotiating a peace deal with them.? Why does he not ask for a partition by giving 50% of the north back to the south and then you can have complete control of the north to have any kind of life you want. But no, you will not do that, because you want to hold onto the land that does not belong to you. You people believe that the past cannot be forgiven and new beginning given a chance. You are all wrong of course, because all the countries that were on the wrong side of the WWI and WWII and other major conflicts in the world have put aside their differences and have moved on. Is there any reason why Cypriots cannot do the same.? Perhaps you just don't want to and that is your choice, but your choice so far has been a disaster for the TC's.

u r totally out of topic baby. the question is will GCs ever choose a song in Turkish which is an oficial language of the island or a TC singer who is an official citizen of the island to represent them in Eurovision. The answer is a big OXI.

I don't think so. This is exactly what we are talking about...TRUST, so the fact that the TC's are invited to play football by the GC's, blows your theory on this stupid and worthless Eurovision Song Contest out of the water..................Next case please.! :