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[zan]

The subject has yet again swang from the real issue which is not the quality of such contests but the fact that TCs will never be able to represent Cyprus is united or not because GCs will do everything within their power to stop and exclude us.

We should consider ourselves lucky really.!

Has the TC's ever tried to enter for Cyprus in the last few years and were turned down.?

Would a TC sing a song under the flag of Cyprus.?

Would the "majority" vote for a TC? thats the crux of mistrust GCs will always use their advantage to get what they want not what we want just as the case of stopping enosis we have to fight for our rights against a racist majority which will always ensure we are excluded unless there are plenty of safeguards to guarantee our effective participation, eg if a TC singer is never chosen over a given period then we at least get a look in over given period of time but if GCs choose a TC singer on merit then this safeguard wll become redundant.

So the answer to my questions was a resounding NO, so how can you then complain about something if you haven't even tried to do it. Now, can you answer the original questions before saying anything else.!

You cannot have a rotation system as to who should represent Cyprus next. It is an open competition that anyone who wants to represent Cyprus should enter and accept the results chosen by the people. What you want to create is a huge bureaucracy to have a lot of useless pencil pushers to dictate who should be chosen or whose turn it is next. Not just for this stupid contest but for every single little event. You want to reward mediocre and punish excellence. Your ideas are worse than what the communist had in the USSR. If good singers are overlooked by the majority and they choose a bad singer based on ethnic lines, then guess what, the bad singer is going to lose and the whole country will not win, and pretty soon, people will chose excellence over bad regardless what the ethnicity is. If we are ever going to build one nation, one people and one citizenship, then you cannot have quotas based on ethnicity for event representations. But then again, you think like Talat and you both are not interested in having just ONE Cyprus but TWO of everything, just like Noah Arc.

what a load of hog wash idealistic thinking to make a point about something that works on paper...Try adding this to real life and then you might actually see sense Kikapu...The reason the ESC has become the crap it is is because western Europe does not understand the music of the eastern countries and they would score Nil points if they did not conform to western standards. In this respect I am sure that he talent of the TC performer would sound sweet to the ears of GCs understanding the prejudices involved. Even those with the best of intentions...It is human nature...It is human nature that we have to protect against...`that is what law and order is all about...

[Kikapu]

The subject has yet again swang from the real issue which is not the quality of such contests but the fact that TCs will never be able to represent Cyprus is united or not because GCs will do everything within their power to stop and exclude us.

We should consider ourselves lucky really.!

Has the TC's ever tried to enter for Cyprus in the last few years and were turned down.?

Would a TC sing a song under the flag of Cyprus.?

Would the "majority" vote for a TC? thats the crux of mistrust GCs will always use their advantage to get what they want not what we want just as the case of stopping enosis we have to fight for our rights against a racist majority which will always ensure we are excluded unless there are plenty of safeguards to guarantee our effective participation, eg if a TC singer is never chosen over a given period then we at least get a look in over given period of time but if GCs choose a TC singer on merit then this safeguard wll become redundant.

So the answer to my questions was a resounding NO, so how can you then complain about something if you haven't even tried to do it. Now, can you answer the original questions before saying anything else.!

You cannot have a rotation system as to who should represent Cyprus next. It is an open competition that anyone who wants to represent Cyprus should enter and accept the results chosen by the people. What you want to create is a huge bureaucracy to have a lot of useless pencil pushers to dictate who should be chosen or whose turn it is next. Not just for this stupid contest but for every single little event. You want to reward mediocre and punish excellence. Your ideas are worse than what the communist had in the USSR. If good singers are overlooked by the majority and they choose a bad singer based on ethnic lines, then guess what, the bad singer is going to lose and the whole country will not win, and pretty soon, people will chose excellence over bad regardless what the ethnicity is. If we are ever going to build one nation, one people and one citizenship, then you cannot have quotas based on ethnicity for event representations. But then again, you think like Talat and you both are not interested in having just ONE Cyprus but TWO of everything, just like Noah Arc.

what a load of hog wash idealistic thinking to make a point about something that works on paper...Try adding this to real life and then you might actually see sense Kikapu...The reason the ESC has become the crap it is is because western Europe does not understand the music of the eastern countries and they would score Nil points if they did not conform to western standards. In this respect I am sure that he talent of the TC performer would sound sweet to the ears of GCs understanding the prejudices involved. Even those with the best of intentions...It is human nature...It is human nature that we have to protect against...`that is what law and order is all about...

Nobody said that the song has to be sung in Turkish, Zan. I'm sure the TC will also sing in English if he/she wants any chance of making it to the finals in Cyprus. Cyprus is a English speaking country, at least that is the case in the south, so it is best that it is sung in English and also for the benefit for the rest of Europe.

[Viewpoint]

The subject has yet again swang from the real issue which is not the quality of such contests but the fact that TCs will never be able to represent Cyprus is united or not because GCs will do everything within their power to stop and exclude us.

We should consider ourselves lucky really.!

Has the TC's ever tried to enter for Cyprus in the last few years and were turned down.?

Would a TC sing a song under the flag of Cyprus.?

Would the "majority" vote for a TC? thats the crux of mistrust GCs will always use their advantage to get what they want not what we want just as the case of stopping enosis we have to fight for our rights against a racist majority which will always ensure we are excluded unless there are plenty of safeguards to guarantee our effective participation, eg if a TC singer is never chosen over a given period then we at least get a look in over given period of time but if GCs choose a TC singer on merit then this safeguard wll become redundant.

So the answer to my questions was a resounding NO, so how can you then complain about something if you haven't even tried to do it. Now, can you answer the original questions before saying anything else.!

You cannot have a rotation system as to who should represent Cyprus next. It is an open competition that anyone who wants to represent Cyprus should enter and accept the results chosen by the people. What you want to create is a huge bureaucracy to have a lot of useless pencil pushers to dictate who should be chosen or whose turn it is next. Not just for this stupid contest but for every single little event. You want to reward mediocre and punish excellence. Your ideas are worse than what the communist had in the USSR. If good singers are overlooked by the majority and they choose a bad singer based on ethnic lines, then guess what, the bad singer is going to lose and the whole country will not win, and pretty soon, people will chose excellence over bad regardless what the ethnicity is. If we are ever going to build one nation, one people and one citizenship, then you cannot have quotas based on ethnicity for event representations. But then again, you think like Talat and you both are not interested in having just ONE Cyprus but TWO of everything, just like Noah Arc.




Talat's idea for Cyprus..................Two of everything.!

This is where you fall flat on your face the singers are hand picked nowadays and prepared for this event, not only is this years Turkish entry but also the Greek entry was picked for the ability to represent their country, it would not be to hard to maintin some sort of perspective and send an occassional TC singer whoo has talent rather than a bad GC singer just because they are GC and the "majority" dictate everything.

You need to look further than the end of your nose, we will not remove our life jackets just because you say we should there has to beplenty of safeguards to guaratee we have an effective say in our own future and that we do not expose ourselves to GC style democracy which will definately mean we are excluded from everything to do with the running and representing of a united Cyprus.

[zan]

The subject has yet again swang from the real issue which is not the quality of such contests but the fact that TCs will never be able to represent Cyprus is united or not because GCs will do everything within their power to stop and exclude us.

We should consider ourselves lucky really.!

Has the TC's ever tried to enter for Cyprus in the last few years and were turned down.?

Would a TC sing a song under the flag of Cyprus.?

Would the "majority" vote for a TC? thats the crux of mistrust GCs will always use their advantage to get what they want not what we want just as the case of stopping enosis we have to fight for our rights against a racist majority which will always ensure we are excluded unless there are plenty of safeguards to guarantee our effective participation, eg if a TC singer is never chosen over a given period then we at least get a look in over given period of time but if GCs choose a TC singer on merit then this safeguard wll become redundant.

So the answer to my questions was a resounding NO, so how can you then complain about something if you haven't even tried to do it. Now, can you answer the original questions before saying anything else.!

You cannot have a rotation system as to who should represent Cyprus next. It is an open competition that anyone who wants to represent Cyprus should enter and accept the results chosen by the people. What you want to create is a huge bureaucracy to have a lot of useless pencil pushers to dictate who should be chosen or whose turn it is next. Not just for this stupid contest but for every single little event. You want to reward mediocre and punish excellence. Your ideas are worse than what the communist had in the USSR. If good singers are overlooked by the majority and they choose a bad singer based on ethnic lines, then guess what, the bad singer is going to lose and the whole country will not win, and pretty soon, people will chose excellence over bad regardless what the ethnicity is. If we are ever going to build one nation, one people and one citizenship, then you cannot have quotas based on ethnicity for event representations. But then again, you think like Talat and you both are not interested in having just ONE Cyprus but TWO of everything, just like Noah Arc.

what a load of hog wash idealistic thinking to make a point about something that works on paper...Try adding this to real life and then you might actually see sense Kikapu...The reason the ESC has become the crap it is is because western Europe does not understand the music of the eastern countries and they would score Nil points if they did not conform to western standards. In this respect I am sure that he talent of the TC performer would sound sweet to the ears of GCs understanding the prejudices involved. Even those with the best of intentions...It is human nature...It is human nature that we have to protect against...`that is what law and order is all about...

Nobody said that the song has to be sung in Turkish, Zan. I'm sure the TC will also sing in English if he/she wants any chance of making it to the finals in Cyprus. Cyprus is a English speaking country, at least that is the case in the south, so it is best that it is sung in English and also for the benefit for the rest of Europe.

I feel I need a bath after reading that little post Kikapu...Can you try to be less like a man in a raincoat trying to entice children with sweets please....Its creepy!!!


Cyprus is a Greek speaking country and it is a Turkish speaking country....What you have described is just what I did above....Too scared to sing in your own language because of prejudice...Not what you said, and I agreed, would make a better competition....People singing in their own language with their own style!!!!

[Kikapu]

The subject has yet again swang from the real issue which is not the quality of such contests but the fact that TCs will never be able to represent Cyprus is united or not because GCs will do everything within their power to stop and exclude us.

We should consider ourselves lucky really.!

Has the TC's ever tried to enter for Cyprus in the last few years and were turned down.?

Would a TC sing a song under the flag of Cyprus.?

Would the "majority" vote for a TC? thats the crux of mistrust GCs will always use their advantage to get what they want not what we want just as the case of stopping enosis we have to fight for our rights against a racist majority which will always ensure we are excluded unless there are plenty of safeguards to guarantee our effective participation, eg if a TC singer is never chosen over a given period then we at least get a look in over given period of time but if GCs choose a TC singer on merit then this safeguard wll become redundant.

So the answer to my questions was a resounding NO, so how can you then complain about something if you haven't even tried to do it. Now, can you answer the original questions before saying anything else.!

You cannot have a rotation system as to who should represent Cyprus next. It is an open competition that anyone who wants to represent Cyprus should enter and accept the results chosen by the people. What you want to create is a huge bureaucracy to have a lot of useless pencil pushers to dictate who should be chosen or whose turn it is next. Not just for this stupid contest but for every single little event. You want to reward mediocre and punish excellence. Your ideas are worse than what the communist had in the USSR. If good singers are overlooked by the majority and they choose a bad singer based on ethnic lines, then guess what, the bad singer is going to lose and the whole country will not win, and pretty soon, people will chose excellence over bad regardless what the ethnicity is. If we are ever going to build one nation, one people and one citizenship, then you cannot have quotas based on ethnicity for event representations. But then again, you think like Talat and you both are not interested in having just ONE Cyprus but TWO of everything, just like Noah Arc.

what a load of hog wash idealistic thinking to make a point about something that works on paper...Try adding this to real life and then you might actually see sense Kikapu...The reason the ESC has become the crap it is is because western Europe does not understand the music of the eastern countries and they would score Nil points if they did not conform to western standards. In this respect I am sure that he talent of the TC performer would sound sweet to the ears of GCs understanding the prejudices involved. Even those with the best of intentions...It is human nature...It is human nature that we have to protect against...`that is what law and order is all about...

Nobody said that the song has to be sung in Turkish, Zan. I'm sure the TC will also sing in English if he/she wants any chance of making it to the finals in Cyprus. Cyprus is a English speaking country, at least that is the case in the south, so it is best that it is sung in English and also for the benefit for the rest of Europe.

I feel I need a bath after reading that little post Kikapu...Can you try to be less like a man in a raincoat trying to entice children with sweets please....Its creepy!!!


Cyprus is a Greek speaking country and it is a Turkish speaking country....What you have described is just what I did above....Too scared to sing in your own language because of prejudice...Not what you said, and I agreed, would make a better competition....People singing in their own language with their own style!!!!

The point is Zan, that more Cypriots ( TC's and GC's combined) speak English than any one of the other official languages, Greek or Turkish. I was trying to tell VP, that in order for a TC singer to appeal to the majority of Cypriots, it will be best to sing in English to have a much wider appeal to be selected as a finalist, otherwise the next most common language, Greek, will benefit Greek singing singers. In any case, it appears, all the songs sung in Cyprus are all in English.!

[zan]

The subject has yet again swang from the real issue which is not the quality of such contests but the fact that TCs will never be able to represent Cyprus is united or not because GCs will do everything within their power to stop and exclude us.

We should consider ourselves lucky really.!

Has the TC's ever tried to enter for Cyprus in the last few years and were turned down.?

Would a TC sing a song under the flag of Cyprus.?

Would the "majority" vote for a TC? thats the crux of mistrust GCs will always use their advantage to get what they want not what we want just as the case of stopping enosis we have to fight for our rights against a racist majority which will always ensure we are excluded unless there are plenty of safeguards to guarantee our effective participation, eg if a TC singer is never chosen over a given period then we at least get a look in over given period of time but if GCs choose a TC singer on merit then this safeguard wll become redundant.

So the answer to my questions was a resounding NO, so how can you then complain about something if you haven't even tried to do it. Now, can you answer the original questions before saying anything else.!

You cannot have a rotation system as to who should represent Cyprus next. It is an open competition that anyone who wants to represent Cyprus should enter and accept the results chosen by the people. What you want to create is a huge bureaucracy to have a lot of useless pencil pushers to dictate who should be chosen or whose turn it is next. Not just for this stupid contest but for every single little event. You want to reward mediocre and punish excellence. Your ideas are worse than what the communist had in the USSR. If good singers are overlooked by the majority and they choose a bad singer based on ethnic lines, then guess what, the bad singer is going to lose and the whole country will not win, and pretty soon, people will chose excellence over bad regardless what the ethnicity is. If we are ever going to build one nation, one people and one citizenship, then you cannot have quotas based on ethnicity for event representations. But then again, you think like Talat and you both are not interested in having just ONE Cyprus but TWO of everything, just like Noah Arc.

what a load of hog wash idealistic thinking to make a point about something that works on paper...Try adding this to real life and then you might actually see sense Kikapu...The reason the ESC has become the crap it is is because western Europe does not understand the music of the eastern countries and they would score Nil points if they did not conform to western standards. In this respect I am sure that he talent of the TC performer would sound sweet to the ears of GCs understanding the prejudices involved. Even those with the best of intentions...It is human nature...It is human nature that we have to protect against...`that is what law and order is all about...

Nobody said that the song has to be sung in Turkish, Zan. I'm sure the TC will also sing in English if he/she wants any chance of making it to the finals in Cyprus. Cyprus is a English speaking country, at least that is the case in the south, so it is best that it is sung in English and also for the benefit for the rest of Europe.

I feel I need a bath after reading that little post Kikapu...Can you try to be less like a man in a raincoat trying to entice children with sweets please....Its creepy!!!


Cyprus is a Greek speaking country and it is a Turkish speaking country....What you have described is just what I did above....Too scared to sing in your own language because of prejudice...Not what you said, and I agreed, would make a better competition....People singing in their own language with their own style!!!!

The point is Zan, that more Cypriots ( TC's and GC's combined) speak English than any one of the other official languages, Greek or Turkish. I was trying to tell VP, that in order for a TC singer to appeal to the majority of Cypriots, it will be best to sing in English to have a much wider appeal to be selected as a finalist, otherwise the next most common language, Greek, will benefit Greek singing singers. In any case, it appears, all the songs sung in Cyprus are all in English.!

Or French if the political conditions prove right......Russian next maybe???

You are deliberately not mentioning the fact that it would not be acceptable in Turkish...Second class status in one hit.....Nice......Now that we are clear on that, perhaps you can adapt that a thousand times more to all the thousands of times we will have to face that..Perhaps even keeping my curtains closed so that the GCs cannot see he Turkish channel I am watching!!!!!

[runaway]

The subject has yet again swang from the real issue which is not the quality of such contests but the fact that TCs will never be able to represent Cyprus is united or not because GCs will do everything within their power to stop and exclude us.

We should consider ourselves lucky really.!

Has the TC's ever tried to enter for Cyprus in the last few years and were turned down.?

Would a TC sing a song under the flag of Cyprus.?

Would the "majority" vote for a TC? thats the crux of mistrust GCs will always use their advantage to get what they want not what we want just as the case of stopping enosis we have to fight for our rights against a racist majority which will always ensure we are excluded unless there are plenty of safeguards to guarantee our effective participation, eg if a TC singer is never chosen over a given period then we at least get a look in over given period of time but if GCs choose a TC singer on merit then this safeguard wll become redundant.

So the answer to my questions was a resounding NO, so how can you then complain about something if you haven't even tried to do it. Now, can you answer the original questions before saying anything else.!

You cannot have a rotation system as to who should represent Cyprus next. It is an open competition that anyone who wants to represent Cyprus should enter and accept the results chosen by the people. What you want to create is a huge bureaucracy to have a lot of useless pencil pushers to dictate who should be chosen or whose turn it is next. Not just for this stupid contest but for every single little event. You want to reward mediocre and punish excellence. Your ideas are worse than what the communist had in the USSR. If good singers are overlooked by the majority and they choose a bad singer based on ethnic lines, then guess what, the bad singer is going to lose and the whole country will not win, and pretty soon, people will chose excellence over bad regardless what the ethnicity is. If we are ever going to build one nation, one people and one citizenship, then you cannot have quotas based on ethnicity for event representations. But then again, you think like Talat and you both are not interested in having just ONE Cyprus but TWO of everything, just like Noah Arc.

what a load of hog wash idealistic thinking to make a point about something that works on paper...Try adding this to real life and then you might actually see sense Kikapu...The reason the ESC has become the crap it is is because western Europe does not understand the music of the eastern countries and they would score Nil points if they did not conform to western standards. In this respect I am sure that he talent of the TC performer would sound sweet to the ears of GCs understanding the prejudices involved. Even those with the best of intentions...It is human nature...It is human nature that we have to protect against...`that is what law and order is all about...

Nobody said that the song has to be sung in Turkish, Zan. I'm sure the TC will also sing in English if he/she wants any chance of making it to the finals in Cyprus. Cyprus is a English speaking country, at least that is the case in the south, so it is best that it is sung in English and also for the benefit for the rest of Europe.

I feel I need a bath after reading that little post Kikapu...Can you try to be less like a man in a raincoat trying to entice children with sweets please....Its creepy!!!


Cyprus is a Greek speaking country and it is a Turkish speaking country....What you have described is just what I did above....Too scared to sing in your own language because of prejudice...Not what you said, and I agreed, would make a better competition....People singing in their own language with their own style!!!!

The point is Zan, that more Cypriots ( TC's and GC's combined) speak English than any one of the other official languages, Greek or Turkish. I was trying to tell VP, that in order for a TC singer to appeal to the majority of Cypriots, it will be best to sing in English to have a much wider appeal to be selected as a finalist, otherwise the next most common language, Greek, will benefit Greek singing singers. In any case, it appears, all the songs sung in Cyprus are all in English.!

Or French if the political conditions prove right......Russian next maybe???

You are deliberately not mentioning the fact that it would not be acceptable in Turkish...Second class status in one hit.....Nice......Now that we are clear on that, perhaps you can adapt that a thousand times more to all the thousands of times we will have to face that..Perhaps even keeping my curtains closed so that the GCs cannot see he Turkish channel I am watching!!!!!

good job zan

[zan]

The subject has yet again swang from the real issue which is not the quality of such contests but the fact that TCs will never be able to represent Cyprus is united or not because GCs will do everything within their power to stop and exclude us.

We should consider ourselves lucky really.!

Has the TC's ever tried to enter for Cyprus in the last few years and were turned down.?

Would a TC sing a song under the flag of Cyprus.?

Would the "majority" vote for a TC? thats the crux of mistrust GCs will always use their advantage to get what they want not what we want just as the case of stopping enosis we have to fight for our rights against a racist majority which will always ensure we are excluded unless there are plenty of safeguards to guarantee our effective participation, eg if a TC singer is never chosen over a given period then we at least get a look in over given period of time but if GCs choose a TC singer on merit then this safeguard wll become redundant.

So the answer to my questions was a resounding NO, so how can you then complain about something if you haven't even tried to do it. Now, can you answer the original questions before saying anything else.!

You cannot have a rotation system as to who should represent Cyprus next. It is an open competition that anyone who wants to represent Cyprus should enter and accept the results chosen by the people. What you want to create is a huge bureaucracy to have a lot of useless pencil pushers to dictate who should be chosen or whose turn it is next. Not just for this stupid contest but for every single little event. You want to reward mediocre and punish excellence. Your ideas are worse than what the communist had in the USSR. If good singers are overlooked by the majority and they choose a bad singer based on ethnic lines, then guess what, the bad singer is going to lose and the whole country will not win, and pretty soon, people will chose excellence over bad regardless what the ethnicity is. If we are ever going to build one nation, one people and one citizenship, then you cannot have quotas based on ethnicity for event representations. But then again, you think like Talat and you both are not interested in having just ONE Cyprus but TWO of everything, just like Noah Arc.

what a load of hog wash idealistic thinking to make a point about something that works on paper...Try adding this to real life and then you might actually see sense Kikapu...The reason the ESC has become the crap it is is because western Europe does not understand the music of the eastern countries and they would score Nil points if they did not conform to western standards. In this respect I am sure that he talent of the TC performer would sound sweet to the ears of GCs understanding the prejudices involved. Even those with the best of intentions...It is human nature...It is human nature that we have to protect against...`that is what law and order is all about...

Nobody said that the song has to be sung in Turkish, Zan. I'm sure the TC will also sing in English if he/she wants any chance of making it to the finals in Cyprus. Cyprus is a English speaking country, at least that is the case in the south, so it is best that it is sung in English and also for the benefit for the rest of Europe.

I feel I need a bath after reading that little post Kikapu...Can you try to be less like a man in a raincoat trying to entice children with sweets please....Its creepy!!!


Cyprus is a Greek speaking country and it is a Turkish speaking country....What you have described is just what I did above....Too scared to sing in your own language because of prejudice...Not what you said, and I agreed, would make a better competition....People singing in their own language with their own style!!!!

The point is Zan, that more Cypriots ( TC's and GC's combined) speak English than any one of the other official languages, Greek or Turkish. I was trying to tell VP, that in order for a TC singer to appeal to the majority of Cypriots, it will be best to sing in English to have a much wider appeal to be selected as a finalist, otherwise the next most common language, Greek, will benefit Greek singing singers. In any case, it appears, all the songs sung in Cyprus are all in English.!

Or French if the political conditions prove right......Russian next maybe???

You are deliberately not mentioning the fact that it would not be acceptable in Turkish...Second class status in one hit.....Nice......Now that we are clear on that, perhaps you can adapt that a thousand times more to all the thousands of times we will have to face that..Perhaps even keeping my curtains closed so that the GCs cannot see he Turkish channel I am watching!!!!!

good job zan

Just common sense arkadas..

[Kikapu]

The subject has yet again swang from the real issue which is not the quality of such contests but the fact that TCs will never be able to represent Cyprus is united or not because GCs will do everything within their power to stop and exclude us.

We should consider ourselves lucky really.!

Has the TC's ever tried to enter for Cyprus in the last few years and were turned down.?

Would a TC sing a song under the flag of Cyprus.?

Would the "majority" vote for a TC? thats the crux of mistrust GCs will always use their advantage to get what they want not what we want just as the case of stopping enosis we have to fight for our rights against a racist majority which will always ensure we are excluded unless there are plenty of safeguards to guarantee our effective participation, eg if a TC singer is never chosen over a given period then we at least get a look in over given period of time but if GCs choose a TC singer on merit then this safeguard wll become redundant.

So the answer to my questions was a resounding NO, so how can you then complain about something if you haven't even tried to do it. Now, can you answer the original questions before saying anything else.!

You cannot have a rotation system as to who should represent Cyprus next. It is an open competition that anyone who wants to represent Cyprus should enter and accept the results chosen by the people. What you want to create is a huge bureaucracy to have a lot of useless pencil pushers to dictate who should be chosen or whose turn it is next. Not just for this stupid contest but for every single little event. You want to reward mediocre and punish excellence. Your ideas are worse than what the communist had in the USSR. If good singers are overlooked by the majority and they choose a bad singer based on ethnic lines, then guess what, the bad singer is going to lose and the whole country will not win, and pretty soon, people will chose excellence over bad regardless what the ethnicity is. If we are ever going to build one nation, one people and one citizenship, then you cannot have quotas based on ethnicity for event representations. But then again, you think like Talat and you both are not interested in having just ONE Cyprus but TWO of everything, just like Noah Arc.

what a load of hog wash idealistic thinking to make a point about something that works on paper...Try adding this to real life and then you might actually see sense Kikapu...The reason the ESC has become the crap it is is because western Europe does not understand the music of the eastern countries and they would score Nil points if they did not conform to western standards. In this respect I am sure that he talent of the TC performer would sound sweet to the ears of GCs understanding the prejudices involved. Even those with the best of intentions...It is human nature...It is human nature that we have to protect against...`that is what law and order is all about...

Nobody said that the song has to be sung in Turkish, Zan. I'm sure the TC will also sing in English if he/she wants any chance of making it to the finals in Cyprus. Cyprus is a English speaking country, at least that is the case in the south, so it is best that it is sung in English and also for the benefit for the rest of Europe.

I feel I need a bath after reading that little post Kikapu...Can you try to be less like a man in a raincoat trying to entice children with sweets please....Its creepy!!!


Cyprus is a Greek speaking country and it is a Turkish speaking country....What you have described is just what I did above....Too scared to sing in your own language because of prejudice...Not what you said, and I agreed, would make a better competition....People singing in their own language with their own style!!!!

The point is Zan, that more Cypriots ( TC's and GC's combined) speak English than any one of the other official languages, Greek or Turkish. I was trying to tell VP, that in order for a TC singer to appeal to the majority of Cypriots, it will be best to sing in English to have a much wider appeal to be selected as a finalist, otherwise the next most common language, Greek, will benefit Greek singing singers. In any case, it appears, all the songs sung in Cyprus are all in English.!

Or French if the political conditions prove right......Russian next maybe???

You are deliberately not mentioning the fact that it would not be acceptable in Turkish...Second class status in one hit.....Nice......Now that we are clear on that, perhaps you can adapt that a thousand times more to all the thousands of times we will have to face that..Perhaps even keeping my curtains closed so that the GCs cannot see he Turkish channel I am watching!!!!!

good job zan

Just common sense arkadas..

Even Turkey enters the contest with English songs you fools, because they do not stand a chance otherwise. What the hell is their excuse.!

Not everything is political, as you two want to make it, just to justify your partition dreams. In Cyprus, if a Greek song is sung and it is understood by 800,000 GC's, and a Turkish song is sung and is understood by 200,000 TC's, which singer has the advantage of going forward to become the finalist. This is not a rocket science, so lets hear it from you two.

Now, if both the performers sung in English, they will both have equal number of listeners and the TC will have just as much chance of winning as the GC singer, because the best song will win. In any case, English is one of the official languages of Cyprus. Perhaps you two did not know that.!

I don't even like the whole concept of this event. Personally, I wished that every nation was forced to sing in their national language, but then again, Switzerland would have 4 languages and Cyprus would have 3, which would make it a problem.!

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What dont you get Kikapu, it doesnt matter if our singer sang in Turkish English or French 800.000 biased GCs would never vote for them....why cant you understand this? what will you do if we never get picked knowing that on many occassion our singers or musicians entry was better than any GC entry????