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[Viewpoint]

People are still struggling with the principle of this very good example, forget the song contest this same scenario will unfold when our children apply for jobs, when the choosing board are all GCs or when TCs apply for government posts they will be judged not for what they know but what ethnic origin they are. If we do not have safeguards to ensure TCs are included in all walks of life where the GCs can manipulate a situation in their favor and act racists against TCs we will be brushed to one side like Zeliş.

Hypocritepoint, stop bickering you fool and grow up so the young Turks can start thriving like the rest of the normal human beings in this world. Just because you never had any dreams, your willing to take down 70 million Turks with you? You selfish, arrogant, spineless fool.

growup whats your point? allow our youth to the opportunity to be slapped down by Gcs everytime?

No HP, I leave that to Turkey to slap down their own, like they're doing right now to todays Turkish citizens. Your such a fool you can't even notice that unless your part of their payroll. You sit behind your computer typing away about how your minority status should be equal to the majority's(GC's) in Cyprus.

By the way did you ever think about employment if the Cyprus problem gets solved? Well you should, because Turkeys almost done with you.

Done with us? dont hold your breath....if you call the support we get from Turkey a slapping I say bring it on, we will always have very stonrg ties with turkey we have shared to much to listen to your evaluation of something you know absolutely nothing about.

We never shred the bond we have with Turkey today with GCs all we saw was persecution and discrimination, without the safeguards we ask for we will always choose Turkey above becoming a minority in a GC state run by GCs.

[Viewpoint]

Thats her choice VP.Personally Zelis was very good, but I did not expect her to win. She did not either, perhaps, but was brave enough to take part.But as Kiks says, Eurovision is a waste of time. For years we know its all political and nothing to do with the quality of the presentation.

Its a premier gala event over 1 billion viewers world wide, thats why so many well known names want to participate. Its a chance to show off your country and enjoy the event the benefits are tremendous. People are blatently ignoring the dangers we would face if left to the mercy of the GCs in all walks of life not just this song contest but in very things that would effect us negative, we need safeguards to ensure GCs do not discriminate and manipulate issue to the benefit of only other GCs, brushing us to one side in a United Cyprus. Do you want to take that risk? or do you want to know the rules of the game form the outset before you commit because after you commit theres no turning back and there will be many Zeliş's year after year after year, you will be an on looker while GCs represent you every year on the international platform.

There is a choice here. One where we withdraw into our little shell and not participate and the other is to . 'try and try again' and show these billion viewers thay we are there too.

You can bang your head against a brick wall but no one will take any notice as you wont be allowed on the world stage, all I ask for is a fair crack at the whip if not chosen naturally if GCs are not racists they will vote for talent and a TC will also ocassionally win then the safguard will no longe rbe necessary but if for 20 years no TCs is ever chosen will you be happy with this? What if you children go for jobs in front of a GC board and your child has all the right attributes for the job but does not get it because a GC applied with less qualifications but was chosen purely on the basis that he was a GC. How will you feel then?

I understand your fears. Legislation should be put in place where a proper interview is carried out where merit is of paramount importance. This will take time to create, but not impossible.

What you are saying is like looking for a job in the north. Its who you know that matters and sometimes what party you are connected to. We should all try and stop 'corruption' at all levels. It isnt easy, but possible for the politicians to negotiate all these problems/fears.

Thats why I ask for safeguards to ensure GCs do not dominate and discrminate, laws that make them act professionally and fair towards all people not just GCs.

[growuptcs]

People are still struggling with the principle of this very good example, forget the song contest this same scenario will unfold when our children apply for jobs, when the choosing board are all GCs or when TCs apply for government posts they will be judged not for what they know but what ethnic origin they are. If we do not have safeguards to ensure TCs are included in all walks of life where the GCs can manipulate a situation in their favor and act racists against TCs we will be brushed to one side like Zeliş.

Hypocritepoint, stop bickering you fool and grow up so the young Turks can start thriving like the rest of the normal human beings in this world. Just because you never had any dreams, your willing to take down 70 million Turks with you? You selfish, arrogant, spineless fool.

growup whats your point? allow our youth to the opportunity to be slapped down by Gcs everytime?

No HP, I leave that to Turkey to slap down their own, like they're doing right now to todays Turkish citizens. Your such a fool you can't even notice that unless your part of their payroll. You sit behind your computer typing away about how your minority status should be equal to the majority's(GC's) in Cyprus.

By the way did you ever think about employment if the Cyprus problem gets solved? Well you should, because Turkeys almost done with you.

Done with us? dont hold your breath....if you call the support we get from Turkey a slapping I say bring it on, we will always have very stonrg ties with turkey we have shared to much to listen to your evaluation of something you know absolutely nothing about.

We never shred the bond we have with Turkey today with GCs all we saw was persecution and discrimination, without the safeguards we ask for we will always choose Turkey above becoming a minority in a GC state run by GCs.

You really call that support that they give you? They might of gave you a stolen home, but what other support are you talking about because your future is fucked with Turkey, and all you do is still act like an asshole. Give it up and the EU might help you get teeth already.

[DT.]

This is the type of thing that really gets my goat. VP just spent 47 pages ranting on about why the 1 TC singer didn't win the contest against the other 8 GC singers and 1 Armenian. Regardless of whether she was good or not, the fact that we had the audacity to not allow her to win means that our entire race is racist. The fact that VP makes such a statement without understanding that announcing to the world a specific race are racists, is entirely racist in itself, is another question.

Anyway, this "demand" for the TC singer to have won concerns me and takes me back to the hypochondriac world of affirmative action where nothing gets done until we have at least 2 homosexuals, 1 transvestite, 1 black, 1 red and 1 yellow man manning the phones.

Are we to now believe that VP is asking for a fixed quota of how many TC's will represent us in cultural events? What about sporting events, will VP demand that despite the GC sprinter doing the 100m in 8.2sec this year its the TC's turn to represent Cyprus with a guy who does it in 9sec?

Where does this stop? Will there be a quota of how many tc's a Board of Directors of any company will need to have?

Despite the majority of what VP is asking for cannot happen anyway due to EU discrimination laws the entire concept of favouritism because we're less than you is taking on a whole new form. An even uglier one.

[observer]

This is the type of thing that really gets my goat. VP just spent 47 pages ranting on about why the 1 TC singer didn't win the contest against the other 8 GC singers and 1 Armenian. Regardless of whether she was good or not, the fact that we had the audacity to not allow her to win means that our entire race is racist. The fact that VP makes such a statement without understanding that announcing to the world a specific race are racists, is entirely racist in itself, is another question.

Anyway, this "demand" for the TC singer to have won concerns me and takes me back to the hypochondriac world of affirmative action where nothing gets done until we have at least 2 homosexuals, 1 transvestite, 1 black, 1 red and 1 yellow man manning the phones.

Are we to now believe that VP is asking for a fixed quota of how many TC's will represent us in cultural events? What about sporting events, will VP demand that despite the GC sprinter doing the 100m in 8.2sec this year its the TC's turn to represent Cyprus with a guy who does it in 9sec?

Where does this stop? Will there be a quota of how many tc's a Board of Directors of any company will need to have?

Despite the majority of what VP is asking for cannot happen anyway due to EU discrimination laws the entire concept of favouritism because we're less than you is taking on a whole new form. An even uglier one.

This is more or less what happens now with government jobs, dependent on the political party you support

[DT.]

This is the type of thing that really gets my goat. VP just spent 47 pages ranting on about why the 1 TC singer didn't win the contest against the other 8 GC singers and 1 Armenian. Regardless of whether she was good or not, the fact that we had the audacity to not allow her to win means that our entire race is racist. The fact that VP makes such a statement without understanding that announcing to the world a specific race are racists, is entirely racist in itself, is another question.

Anyway, this "demand" for the TC singer to have won concerns me and takes me back to the hypochondriac world of affirmative action where nothing gets done until we have at least 2 homosexuals, 1 transvestite, 1 black, 1 red and 1 yellow man manning the phones.

Are we to now believe that VP is asking for a fixed quota of how many TC's will represent us in cultural events? What about sporting events, will VP demand that despite the GC sprinter doing the 100m in 8.2sec this year its the TC's turn to represent Cyprus with a guy who does it in 9sec?

Where does this stop? Will there be a quota of how many tc's a Board of Directors of any company will need to have?

Despite the majority of what VP is asking for cannot happen anyway due to EU discrimination laws the entire concept of favouritism because we're less than you is taking on a whole new form. An even uglier one.

This is more or less what happens now with government jobs, dependent on the political party you support

And you're so OK with that you now want to add an ethnic spin to it as well?

[observer]

Far from OK, just Observing.

[DT.]

Far from OK, just Observing.

Oh...carry on then.

[denizaksulu]

Thats her choice VP.Personally Zelis was very good, but I did not expect her to win. She did not either, perhaps, but was brave enough to take part.But as Kiks says, Eurovision is a waste of time. For years we know its all political and nothing to do with the quality of the presentation.

Its a premier gala event over 1 billion viewers world wide, thats why so many well known names want to participate. Its a chance to show off your country and enjoy the event the benefits are tremendous. People are blatently ignoring the dangers we would face if left to the mercy of the GCs in all walks of life not just this song contest but in very things that would effect us negative, we need safeguards to ensure GCs do not discriminate and manipulate issue to the benefit of only other GCs, brushing us to one side in a United Cyprus. Do you want to take that risk? or do you want to know the rules of the game form the outset before you commit because after you commit theres no turning back and there will be many Zeliş's year after year after year, you will be an on looker while GCs represent you every year on the international platform.

There is a choice here. One where we withdraw into our little shell and not participate and the other is to . 'try and try again' and show these billion viewers thay we are there too.

You can bang your head against a brick wall but no one will take any notice as you wont be allowed on the world stage, all I ask for is a fair crack at the whip if not chosen naturally if GCs are not racists they will vote for talent and a TC will also ocassionally win then the safguard will no longe rbe necessary but if for 20 years no TCs is ever chosen will you be happy with this? What if you children go for jobs in front of a GC board and your child has all the right attributes for the job but does not get it because a GC applied with less qualifications but was chosen purely on the basis that he was a GC. How will you feel then?

I understand your fears. Legislation should be put in place where a proper interview is carried out where merit is of paramount importance. This will take time to create, but not impossible.

What you are saying is like looking for a job in the north. Its who you know that matters and sometimes what party you are connected to. We should all try and stop 'corruption' at all levels. It isnt easy, but possible for the politicians to negotiate all these problems/fears.

Thats why I ask for safeguards to ensure GCs do not dominate and discrminate, laws that make them act professionally and fair towards all people not just GCs.

You too have a point. After all it was the Greeks who invented 'Democracy'. That is the way the ball rolls, unfortunately. It indeed suits them fine, but does the search for safeguards have to entail splitting our home into two?

[Kikapu]

You need to answer this question, even though you did not address many of my other points. Lets see you in action, VP.!

Tell me something, had Zelis as a TC represented Turkey in the Euro song and did not finish 1st, would you have called all 70+ million Turks, a RACIST.? A truthful answer will be sufficient.!

Unlike fanatic racist GCs who harbour a hatred towards TCs they would not vote against Zeliş because she is a TC we have many singers who do well in Turkey.

Only recently did a TC compete in deal or no deal, they always include us in their events.

Deal or no deal is a game of chances and no voting is required.!

Now, are you going to answer my question as honestly as you have done to label all the GC's a RACIST.?

Don't allow me to call you a GUTLESS RACIST, VP, because you are beginning to sound like one. Now, answer the damn question.!

You have called me all the names under the sun so a few more wont make much difference,

Somehow I doubt it, that I have called you all the names under the sun.!

There's always the MOON too, you know, which I save for special occasions.!

I don't think you have had the pleasure of hearing them, yet.!: wink:

I have answered your question but your blindness against TCs will not all you to see it.

No you have not answered my question, because you cannot, since you have gotten yourself trapped into Kikapu's "check-mate" situation...............again.! Which ever answer you give, you're toast, and the reason why you cannot answer my question, is because you do not have any convictions. You can accuse the GC's of being Racists if a TC is not voted as number 1 into anything, but if the Turks do not vote a TC into anything, you keep your mouth shut. This is why you do not have any convictions to be true to yourself. I'm so sorry you have shown us your ugly side in this thread. I can respect peoples different political views, but I have ZERO tolerance for those who are self proclaimed Racist. You have self destructed yourself in this thread, VP, which pains me to see any human being with so much hate in their heart. Then again, it could all be propaganda for your partition dreams, which is always your first choice, which means, you have sold your soul to the devil. Either way, it puts you in the "doghouse".!

Anyway, I'm done with this thread and will return back to other more meaningful topics, like the "BBF" thread I created.

You want to expose us to GCs who are racist and hope for the best, well we know they will never allow a TC to represent a united Cyprus, we demand safeguards to ensure we to have a right to represent our country.

I'm looking after your best interest with the "BBF Plan", but you don't want it, unless it is De-Democratised, which I will not do, and neither will the GC's accept it, nor the EU.!

Drop by the "BBF" thread where we can have a civil conversation together.