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[insan]

TABLE 1. Ratio of Greeks to Turks in Cyprus in



Census Years

Census year Ratio of Greeks to Turks

1881 3.3: 1

1891 3.3: 1

1901 3.561

1911 3.8: 1

1921 3.99: 1

1931 4.3: 1

1946 4.48: 1

1956 4.52: 1

1960 4.3: 1

1973 4.3: 1



Source:"Population by Location, Race and Sex, and Demographic Report,» in Censusof Papulation and Agriculture,Vol. 1, Republic of Cyprus, State Archives, Vol. 7/9, No.4 (Nicosia: Department of Statistics and Research, Republic of Cyprus, State Archives).



Turks on the island was 3.03 to 1. In subsequent years, there was adrop in the Turkish population due to emigration to the mainlandso that, by the time Cyprus achieved its independence in 1960, theratio of Greeks to Turks was 4.3 to I-Greeks constituted 78.2 percentof the populati<;m and Turks 18.13 percent-the remaining3.66 percent consisting of Armenians, Lebanese Maronites andEuropeans (see Table 1).Most of the Greek Cypriots and many mainland Greeks alsoclaimed that the island should be united with Greece for demographicreasons and portrayed this simply as a question of the rightto self-determination for the majority of the island's inhabitants.As a result of the settlement of Turks in Cyprus by theOttomans, nearly all areas on the island came to have mixed Greco-Turkish populations. This was due to the Ottoman policy of settlingMuslim peasants on the lands of the dispossessed Venetianaristocracy. While the land was initially owned by Ottoman militaryand administrative officials, it passed, over time, into the hands ofpeasants.4 Most of the Turkish population lived in mixed villagesor in Turkish quarters of towns. Life in many of the mixed villageswas characterized by close ties and even intermarriage betweenGreeks and Turks.5The peasantry, both Muslim and Christian, had very little incommon with their respective religious and social elites and didjnotidentify with or relate to the large landowners, Orthodox andIslamic religious hierarchies, or the ruling Ottoman oligarchy.6In other words, the average Christian (Greek) peasant had muchmore in common with their Muslim (Turkish) counterpart thanwith members of their own national group belonging to highersocio-economic classes.

This article seeks to explain which factors played a central role in the developmentof rival Greek and Turkish Cypriot national identities and how geograPhy, modernization,and colonial policies came to playa critical role in this development.The article argues that the development of rival nationalisms on Cyprus must beanalyzed by looking at seven factors: (1) the geograPhic and topograPhic s.etting;(2) demograPhic changes and realities; (3) socio-culturalfactors, such as education,language, symbolism, religion, and links to the mainlands; (4) economicand class factors; (5) the internal impact of the colonial power; and, after theachievement of statehood in 1960 (6) Cypriot governmental organization; and(7) the geopolitical position of the island.

CYPRUSAND THE ClASH OF GREEK

AND TURKISH NATIONALISMS

NADAV MORAG

University of ]udaism, Los Angeles, CA, USA

http://cpo.ajula.edu/Content/ContentUni ... u=5381&t=0

[Nikitas]

This dude talks of intermarriage between GCs and TCs. So far I have come across three cases of intermarriage, and in my experience the event is very rare.

The assertion that many TCs emigrated to Turkey would entail the establishment of a TC community in Turkey, pretty much like the TC community in any other country. Does anyone know of such a community in Turkey? From my casual research TCs in Turkey are limited to a few professionals (doctors, professors etc) and some artists.

[Oracle]

This dude talks of intermarriage between GCs and TCs. So far I have come across three cases of intermarriage, and in my experience the event is very rare.

From anecdotal evidence, I would agree intermarriages were rare.

There was, when Cyprus achieved independence in August 1960, no Cypriot nation---nor much sign of one emerging, despite the common experience of British colonial rule which had left its mark on both communities and a common affection for the nature of the island. Greek and Turkish Cypriots had just emerged from a 'liberation struggle' in which they were on opposite sides. There was no university in Cyprus, no private business partnerships between Greeks and Turks, virtually no intermarriage. The one institution that was shared---the trade unions---had been substantially (though not entirely) torn apart by the pressures of the anti-colonial struggle.

"The Cyprus Conflict"

[insan]

[/size]The one institution that was shared---the trade unions---had been substantially (though not entirely) torn apart by the pressures of the anti-colonial struggle.

"The Cyprus Conflict"

Hello, dear.

Would u elaboarete how our only shared institution, trade unions had substantially torn apart by the pressures of the anti-colonial struggle?

TIA dear.

For u

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[Oracle]

Would u elaboarete how our only shared institution, trade unions had substantially torn apart by the pressures of the anti-colonial struggle?

The quote I made was to support the point that intermarriages were rare (which I know about empirically).

As for the Trade Unions, AKEL represented many TC members (indeed a number of these TCs voted for Enosis), who probably left after the widening differences between the struggle for self-determination (EOKA) and the separate wishes for Taksim.

TMT were also as anti-communist as EOKA; so they faced opposition from both fronts.

[Thank you for the TT youtube (reminds me of a cassette tape I repeatedly played, with them on ones side and Yazoo on the other) ... but we have to be serious in CyProb ]

[insan]

Would u elaboarete how our only shared institution, trade unions had substantially torn apart by the pressures of the anti-colonial struggle?

The quote I made was to support the point that intermarriages were rare (which I know about empirically).

As for the Trade Unions, AKEL represented many TC members (indeed a number of these TCs voted for Enosis), who probably left after the widening differences between the struggle for self-determination (EOKA) and the separate wishes for Taksim.

TMT were also as anti-communist as EOKA; so they faced opposition from both fronts.

[Thank you for the TT youtube (reminds me of a cassette tape I repeatedly played, with them on ones side and Yazoo on the other) ... but we have to be serious in CyProb ]

Did i contravene the solemnity of the forum by just adding a song from youtube at the bottom of my serious messages?



Cheers

[insan]

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[YFred]

This dude talks of intermarriage between GCs and TCs. So far I have come across three cases of intermarriage, and in my experience the event is very rare.

The assertion that many TCs emigrated to Turkey would entail the establishment of a TC community in Turkey, pretty much like the TC community in any other country. Does anyone know of such a community in Turkey? From my casual research TCs in Turkey are limited to a few professionals (doctors, professors etc) and some artists.

You will find them in Adana.

[YFred]

Would u elaboarete how our only shared institution, trade unions had substantially torn apart by the pressures of the anti-colonial struggle?

The quote I made was to support the point that intermarriages were rare (which I know about empirically).

As for the Trade Unions, AKEL represented many TC members (indeed a number of these TCs voted for Enosis), who probably left after the widening differences between the struggle for self-determination (EOKA) and the separate wishes for Taksim.

TMT were also as anti-communist as EOKA; so they faced opposition from both fronts.

[Thank you for the TT youtube (reminds me of a cassette tape I repeatedly played, with them on ones side and Yazoo on the other) ... but we have to be serious in CyProb ]

You are so incredibly ignorant. Inter marriages were more common than is shown on statistics. They just had to be hidden due to the Cyprus problem.

This reminds me of the story of a young TC (Who’s father was killed in 63), recently applying for a Cyprus Passport, to be told that his mother did not exist. Upon returning, he challenged his mother to explain, why she doesn’t exist in the GC archives, to be told that She was GC and decided that it was safer to live amongst the TC’s than return to GC territory after the murder of her husband.
The GC can produce any statistic they like a, followed by rolling it up into a cylindrical shape and I think the rest they can figure it out for themselves.

[Oracle]

You are so incredibly ignorant. Inter marriages were more common than is shown on statistics. They just had to be hidden due to the Cyprus problem.

Where did they hide your brain ....