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[doesntmatter]

The subsequent Ottoman occupation of Cyprus got off to a good start. The Orthodox Church and population were allowed freedom of worship, but the Catholics were forced to either convert to Islam or Orthodoxy, or leave the island. Peasants were given title to the land they had traditionally worked for landlords, and some 30,000 Anatolians moved to the island, as compared to an existing population of some 150,000. The two religious and ethnic groups coexisted peacefully, since they usually had a common cause in opposing corrupt governors sent from Constantinople. The most powerful position in Cyprus came to be that of archbishop, with the political blessing of the sultan. The archbishop ultimately became the tax collector, so the position which had been held by greedy functionaries came to be much more equitable. He also had the power to appoint the head of the civil service (dragoman). Thus, the Muslim Turks technically controlled the island, but the Orthodox Cypriots exercised de facto control.

http://warandgame.wordpress.com/2008/03 ... of-cyprus/

Quit posting garbage links that contain stupid assumptions like…

“The subsequent Ottoman occupation of Cyprus got off to a good start…”

…and don’t EVER patronize my ancestors with your dumb go-happy go-lucky assumptions!

This is what happened on Cyprus in 1570 according to The Library of Congress so get that stupid grin off your face, and open your eyes to your Ottoman ancestor’s atrocities…

OTTOMAN RULE
Throughout the period of Venetian rule, Ottoman Turks raided and attacked at will. In 1489, the first year of Venetian control, Turks attacked the Karpas Peninsula, pillaging and taking captives to be sold into slavery. In 1539 the Turkish fleet attacked and destroyed Limassol. Fearing the ever-expanding Ottoman Empire, the Venetians had fortified Famagusta, Nicosia, and Kyrenia, but most other cities were easy prey.

In the summer of 1570, the Turks struck again, but this time with a full-scale invasion rather than a raid. About 60,000 troops, including cavalry and artillery, under the command of Lala Mustafa Pasha landed unopposed near Limassol on July 2, 1570, and laid siege to Nicosia. In an orgy of victory on the day that the city fell--September 9, 1570--20,000 Nicosians were put to death, and every church, public building, and palace was looted. Word of the massacre spread, and a few days later Mustafa took Kyrenia without having to fire a shot. Famagusta, however, resisted and put up a heroic defense that lasted from September 1570 until August 1571.

http://lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?f ... CID+cy0017)


So far, you’ve posted absolutely NOTHING of value to support your silly claim that voluntary interracial marriages took place and you won’t find any, as it was ILLEGAL for both religions to do so.

An uneducated clown like you should DO MORE READING FROM CREDIBLE SOURCES and less posting.

Are you really that stupid GR or are you practicing to become the CF clown?

You are the one who should get off the CypProb section if you can't understand what you read you uneducated incompetent clown.

I am not going to explain it to you but have made it very easy so that even you can understand it.

Hang on, I'll make it even easier.

SUBSEQUENT, 1570, 1571.

NOTE: You may need a dictionary for the word "SUBSEQUENT".

[insan]

http://books.google.com/books?id=6Al1kB ... &ct=result

[insan]

Bro! Check below quotation plz. Sroll down slowly, slowly bcz it may cause u a heart attack

Its leadership was mixed -- the families of the four founders ran the state
in its first century -- and encouraged intermarriage. For example, five of
the six initial Ottoman rulers had Greek mothers. Thus, Mehmet II,
conqueror of Constantinople, was almost wholly Greek by blood.
Its elites were almost equally Christian and Muslim. For example, in parts
of the Balkans, half of the timariots -- the soldier/state officials who
collected taxes and made up the heavy cavalry -- were Christian Greeks
and Serbs: the local gentry.
Christianity and Islam were often preached as one religion. For example,
in the early 15
th
century, the Börklüce Mustafa movement "stressed
fraternization between Muslims and Christians … supported by a mystic
love of God, in which all differences of religion were overlooked … an
attempt actually to unite two faiths as one."
But of course this "Islamo-Christian syncretism" could not last. As the Ottoman tate became more established and "empire-like" in its administrative structure, it chose to push "High Islam" over the mélange vision of its first generations. But Lowry has unearthed a fascinating possibility. After all, he suggests: "What could be more natural than an attempt to develop a new religious synthesis as a reflection of the actual nature of the evolving political entity?"
What indeed? Could we someday see a Roman-Arab cultural synthesis spread across Mediterranean Western Europe?

http://www.oss.net/dynamaster/file_arch ... g%2003.pdf

[insan]

Bro! Check below to face with the reality.

Tell you what: get a good history book and check it out. Everyone knows that the Greeks and Turks have been fighting for millenia; since before Helen of Troy. When nations, etc., fight, they also leave behind progeny.
If you log onto the National Geographics Genotype Programs (just google it; they have so many sites) you can find the migration patterns of people world wide.
Pay no attention to "facial features", hair color, eye color and the like. Everyone knows brothers/sisters who have no similarities in appearance.
If you cannot trace back to Turks through the papertrail, try DNA testing. I used www.familytreedna.com, which provides me with my own web pages, maps depicting origins of ancestors, and more.
Most of my "recent" (30 generations or so) ancestors came from western Europe, but further back I have ancestors from Italy, some of whom had ancestors from Greece, who in turn had ancestors from Turkey (as well as Israel, Syria, Iran, Iraq, Egypt...)
So, history, National Geographics Genotype Program, and DNA.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index ... 653AAVB32i

[insan]

Bro! Listen to this 72 years old Canadian Greek and take ur lesson!

Posted by G.Conomos(65 year old Canadian Greek with primary education) on May 15, 2002 at 08:05:52:

In Reply to: REAL TURKS ARE FROM TURKISTAN IN CENTRAL ASIA AND LOOK ASIAN posted by NOT A TURK OR GREEK on May 15, 2002 at 01:00:21:

: THE REAL TURKISH PEOPLE ORIGINATED FROM TURKISTAN IN CENTRAL ASIA, AND HAVE CENTRAL ASIAN FEATURES AS YOU WILL SEE IF YOU VISIT TURKEY. THE OTHER THING YOU WILL SEE IF YOU VISIT TURKEY MY DEAR MR G.M., IS THAT MANY TURKS HAVE EUROPEAN FEATURES, SOME ARE FAIR, SOME RESEMBLE GREEKS ETC. THE REASON FOR THIS IS THAT YES SOME TURKS AND GREEKS ARE RELATED, THE TURKS WHO BECAME MUSLIM FOR WHAT EVER REASON BUT WERE OF GREEK HERITAGE. DO YOU FORGET THAT THE JANNISERIES WERE MADE UP OF GREEKS AND NOT TURKS. SO MY DEAR UNEDUCATED FELLOW, IF YOU SEE SOME PHYSICAL RESEMBLANCES BETWEEN SOME TURKS AND GREEKS, THAT IS BECAUSE SOME TURKS ARE GREEKS AND NOT BECAUSE GREEKS ARE TURKS. LIKE I SAID, THE TRUE RACE OF TURKS ARE FROM TURKISTAN AND ARE CENTRAL ASIAN AND LOOK IT. BY THE WAY, IF SOME TURKS LOOK EVEN A BIT BRITISH, THEN DON'T FORGET GALATEA WHICH WAS SETTLED BY CELTS IN PREHISTORY AND THEN RUN OVER BY THE OTTOMANS MUCH MUCH LATER AND INTERMARRIED. AND DON'T FORGET THE CRUSADERS WHO ALSO INTERBRED WITH LOCALS. SOME TURKS LOOK A BIT EUROPEAN BECAUSE OF THIS. DON'T GET ME WRONG, THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH LOOKING OR BEING CENTRAL ASIAN, BUT GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT BEFORE YOU VOMIT NONSENSE HERE.


The truth of the matter is that many turks who were residing in greece at the time ,remained and converted to orthodoxy so as to remain in the country where their families had been living for many generations.infact in the major towns ,especially the islands most spoke turkish and to be quite honest the oldfoke still do.This i know for a fact as my family on the island of Crete is one of them.Also having spoken to many others on the islands who have admitted that this was also the case in their villages.
As for the characteristics of these people the majority could easily pass for a persian/mongul/turkish mixture.
I can not comment on the history of the region as i only have a primary school education and am only repeating what i have been told by my great grandmother prior to her death many decades ago and what i have seen in mine and other villages.i have lived in Montreal since age 12
I AM NOT ASHAMED IN ANY WAY AS I considerGREEK AND ORTHODOX .WHO CARES WHAT MY ANCESTORS WERE.MY GRANDCHILDREN SADLY DONT EVEN SPEAK GREEK AND CONSIDER THEMSELVES CANADIAN AND ARE PROTESTANT AS MY TWO SONS CONVERTED WHILST IN PREP SCHOOL.
WHO KNOWS WHAT THEY WILL MARRY AND IN 100YEARS THEY COULD EVEN BE AFRICAN.SOME PEOPLE ARE ACTING AS IF ITS A CRIME TO BE OF A NON GREEK BACKROUND. MY ADVICE WITH MY PRIMARY SCHOOL EDUCATION AND 65 YEARS EXPERIENCE IS THE TRUTH ALWAYS SETS YOU FREE!!.

Learn to be a nice human being instead of Greek or something else.

http://www.greekconnection.com/bbs/messages/7516.html

[halil]

Phucking blatant Propagandists ... how could a book issued by the Turkish Information Centre ... be of ANY use to anyone but a blind, deaf and dumb Anatolian!

Poor little lady O ,
above book was written against the Phucking blatant Propagandists like you ..... read the introductury ..... It was written to answer the claims of Phucking blatant Propagandists like u ..... my dear O .....

Why don't u get the Greek version of it and put it here than we can compare both books .....

rest of the book will come bits and bits to make you see the truth .

Yes book was written down by Turkish Information Office .... Turkish information office was Turkish Cypriots office My Lady O......
It was published in Halkinsesi press printing offices in 1967.
At that time there was a 2 seperate adminstration in Cyprus Lady O....
You have no idea about Cyprus Lady O..... What u know is what u learned from others Lady O..... You were in England in 67 ..... I was young too.... i was only ten years old ......But there was a Türk Cemaat Meclisi at those times Lady O...... We were living by the red cross helpings .Things were much worse than what we are now my Lady ..... Comparing those days and today my lady ..... you can not understand ...... You got to live true all of it .....

[denizaksulu]

It is clear that i was making logical asumptions on possible to had been inter-marriages among Ottoman Turks and the then peasantry of GC women; ...

What are you talking about? The Orthodox Church NEVER conducts a marriage between a Christian and a Muslim unless the latter converts to Christianity and the likelihood of an Ottoman doing that was zero!

Both communities frowned upon such unthinkable relationships as they were considered religious anathema, and anyone who ever dared come close was quickly chastised and/or removed from society altogether. A family would’ve most likely disowned anyone suggesting a fondness for someone of the “other” religion let alone convert to marry them!

GR. My Greek Cyprıot neıghbors volunteered the ınformatıon that our great grandparents were one and the same. I asked if they were 'lino-bambaki' both husband and wife said NO. There were quite a few conversions to Greek Orthodoxy, whether from females or males, is irrelevant. They were accepted into the Greek Cypriot community. There were three other families, one of which I would call Mustafa and he would acknowledge me. I should have called him Mikhailis, for that was his 'new' name. He was circumcised as a Moslem then the whole family converted and married into a rich Greek family. His son was 'Andriko' an active EOKA member , jailed by the British, of whom I had referred to previously. They spoke perfect Turkish.

It is only now that revisionists are re-writing history and denying that these intermarriages ever took place, but I agree with you that 'conversions' did in fact take place. In our village there were at least three major families of Turkish/Moslem descent that I am aware of; surely this could be multipled many times all over the island.

[Oracle]

Tell you what: get a good history book and check it out. Everyone knows that the Greeks and Turks have been fighting for millenia; since before Helen of Troy. When nations, etc., fight, they also leave behind progeny.
If you log onto the National Geographics Genotype Programs (just google it; they have so many sites) you can find the migration patterns of people world wide.
Pay no attention to "facial features", hair color, eye color and the like. Everyone knows brothers/sisters who have no similarities in appearance.
If you cannot trace back to Turks through the papertrail, try DNA testing. I used www.familytreedna.com, which provides me with my own web pages, maps depicting origins of ancestors, and more.
Most of my "recent" (30 generations or so) ancestors came from western Europe, but further back I have ancestors from Italy, some of whom had ancestors from Greece, who in turn had ancestors from Turkey (as well as Israel, Syria, Iran, Iraq, Egypt...)
So, history, National Geographics Genotype Program, and DNA.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index ... 653AAVB32i

It's rather sad when one resorts to a personal opinion as a link (we have enough opinions on CF), instead of credible evidence.

As for the Genealogical study, we have covered it a few times on the forum already. The basic take-home message is that it is most useful for the groups of people that have been established in certain localities for thousands of years. Isolated by geographic locations (mountains, channels), from too much mixing. They form boundaries which tally up well with what we recognise as the main countries at the moment.

But as for the Ottoman-Turks they have not been in Europe/Greece or even Anatolia long enough (10,000 years or so) to mix in the characteristic sense of setting up the stock-majorities that represent the environmentally-ascribed groups.

The genetic-boundaries for Greece/Greeks tally very well with the region which we recognise as Greece. Yet the Turks were there for at least as long as they have been in Cyprus.

Yes there will be the odd person who more recently can trace back a parent or two across the board, but these few isolated examples don't change the statistics/spread. What the Genealogical study is revealing, is confirmation of the migration patterns, pretty much as we have them already recorded historically, archaeological finds etc. You are not going to find that miraculously the Turks have always been around, or have had much input into the Cypriot environmentally-isolated region known as the Island of Cyprus ... you are new comers. Latter day leftovers from a recent invasion.

(BTW There was a lactose study which showed the distribution of intolerance in Turkey was similar to that in Asian localities .... if I have time I'll try and trace it again - I don't like single-gene studies but lactose intolerance is an interesting one because of the association with farming versus nomadic versus hunting switch overs - so it was used previously for tracking migrations ... please note none of these mutations/alleles/genes place us into different groups known as "races" ... we still constitute ONE race but with differences much like those found between siblings).

EDIT:

This isn't the study I was thinking of, but it will do for now ...

BEKİR GÖKÇEN MAZI ( Research Assistant)

B.S, Çukurova University Food Eng. Department (1997-2001)
Ph.D on B.S, Middle East Technical University Food Eng. Department (2004-......)

Seventy percent of the world population is suffering from lactose intolerance, the percentage is greater than 90% in Asian and between 60-90% in the Mediterranean countries. Turkey is located on that geographical region the number of people with lactose intolerance is high. So, the production of β-galactosidase to obtain low lactose milk is important in terms of promoting milk consumption and other dairy products.

[insan]

Tell you what: get a good history book and check it out. Everyone knows that the Greeks and Turks have been fighting for millenia; since before Helen of Troy. When nations, etc., fight, they also leave behind progeny.
If you log onto the National Geographics Genotype Programs (just google it; they have so many sites) you can find the migration patterns of people world wide.
Pay no attention to "facial features", hair color, eye color and the like. Everyone knows brothers/sisters who have no similarities in appearance.
If you cannot trace back to Turks through the papertrail, try DNA testing. I used www.familytreedna.com, which provides me with my own web pages, maps depicting origins of ancestors, and more.
Most of my "recent" (30 generations or so) ancestors came from western Europe, but further back I have ancestors from Italy, some of whom had ancestors from Greece, who in turn had ancestors from Turkey (as well as Israel, Syria, Iran, Iraq, Egypt...)
So, history, National Geographics Genotype Program, and DNA.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index ... 653AAVB32i

It's rather sad when one resorts to a personal opinion as a link (we have enough opinions on CF), instead of credible evidence.

What is rather sad that u couldn't comprehend(maybe u pretend) that all i wanted to emphasize we r all human beings. Belonging any of the human beings family(as u call race/nation) does not make u any better than others. Those links i gave was to show embryonic "ape" GR, how relax and open -minded some other people think abt their ancestors. Ok dear. U scored a point.

Oracle:1 insan:0 I love u [/quote]

[doesntmatter]

Tell you what: get a good history book and check it out. Everyone knows that the Greeks and Turks have been fighting for millenia; since before Helen of Troy. When nations, etc., fight, they also leave behind progeny.
If you log onto the National Geographics Genotype Programs (just google it; they have so many sites) you can find the migration patterns of people world wide.
Pay no attention to "facial features", hair color, eye color and the like. Everyone knows brothers/sisters who have no similarities in appearance.
If you cannot trace back to Turks through the papertrail, try DNA testing. I used www.familytreedna.com, which provides me with my own web pages, maps depicting origins of ancestors, and more.
Most of my "recent" (30 generations or so) ancestors came from western Europe, but further back I have ancestors from Italy, some of whom had ancestors from Greece, who in turn had ancestors from Turkey (as well as Israel, Syria, Iran, Iraq, Egypt...)
So, history, National Geographics Genotype Program, and DNA.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index ... 653AAVB32i

It's rather sad when one resorts to a personal opinion as a link (we have enough opinions on CF), instead of credible evidence.

What is rather sad that u couldn't comprehend(maybe u pretend) that all i wanted to emphasize we r all human beings. Those links i gave was to show embryonic "ape" GR, how relax and open -minded some other people think abt their ancestors. Ok dear. U scored a point.

Oracle:1 insan:0 I love u

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Talking about that "embryonic "ape" GR", where is he? What have you done to him?