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CYPRUSAND THE ClASH OF GREEK AND TURKISH NATIONALISMS

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Postby insan » Mon Jan 19, 2009 9:40 pm

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My mother who comes from Paphos area,and has a good oral history of the region,insists that Makarios' father was a Cypriotturk. The marriage brokedown apparently when makarios was very young and his mother gave him to a monastry to be raised as a priest.Why don't one of you computer vizzes see what you can dig up on makarios's personal life.
Not that anybody would admit it in print but we might get some hints about his childhood.Who knows?

I personally know for sure that one of Makarios' most trusted highranking Cypriotturk officials (no names no pack drill) had a Cypriotgreek mother.Mixed marriages/liaisons were much more common in the past than people care to admit...


It seems we need to wait birkibrisli to come and enlighten us abt the ancestors of Makarios and all other inter-marriages among GCs and TCs(no need to mention the then Ottoman Turks). :wink:
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Postby Oracle » Mon Jan 19, 2009 9:43 pm

Greek women would throw themselves off cliffs rather than have Ottoman babies :roll:
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Postby insan » Mon Jan 19, 2009 10:05 pm

Oracle wrote:Greek women would throw themselves off cliffs rather than have Ottoman babies :roll:


R u sure, dear? in 1571, were the simple, peasant GC women aware of Hellenism or Greekness, had ur priests any chance to preach them abt it under the heavy oppression of catholic crusaders?

Crusader era
After the establishment of Kingdom of Cyprus the Catholic kings gradually reduced the number of Orthodox bishops from 14 to 4 and forced those away from their towns. The archbishop was moved from Nicosia to the region of Solia, near Morphou, the bishop of Larnaca was moved to the village of Lefkara etc. Each orthodox bishop was under the Catholic bishop of the area. The Catholic church tried on occasion to force the Orthodox bishops to make concessions on the differences in doctrine and practices between the two churches, sometimes with threats and sometimes using violence and torture, as in the case of the 13 monks in Kantara. Moreover the properties of many monasteries were confiscated. The persecutions, especially during the Frankish period, did not succeed in uprooting the faith of the Orthodox Greek Cypriots.

The Franks were succeeded by the Venetians in 1489 without any significant change to the status of the Orthodox Church.


Ottoman era

Kykkos Monastery in Troodos Mountains, District of Nicosia.The conquest of Cyprus by the Ottoman Empire in 1571 led to the recognition of the Orthodox church as the only legal Christian church. The church was considered by the Ottomans to be the political leadership of the Christian population (Rum millet) and was responsible for collecting taxes. Because of the different policies of the Ottoman empire towards Muslim and non Muslim citizens, especially regarding taxation, some Christians converted to Islam. These are known in Cyprus with the name "Linopampakoi".



I'm not trying to say that Ottomans were like angels to GCs but was far better than that what crusaders were. Under the then circumstances, most probably most of the women of GC peasantry even had great sympathy towards Ottoman men. :wink:

This is not something to feel ashamed, in the end we r all incorrigible children of Adam and Eve or if u like, let's say the apes of the same planet. :lol:
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Postby Oracle » Mon Jan 19, 2009 10:48 pm

Insan ... do you appreciate how different Hellenic women are to their Muslim counterparts?

Liberty or death!

A religion such as Islam would not last a day with us!

We cannot be oppressed, silenced, subjugated. We are the Earth Mothers, daughters of Athene, Pandora, Demeter, Artemis, Boumboulina .....

Put simply, it is just cultural, but do you understand how many poor Cypriot women (of Hellenic descent) sought abortions after the Turkish Invasion in 1974 ...

Please put that into perspective and have some respect......
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Postby zan » Mon Jan 19, 2009 10:51 pm

Oracle wrote:Insan ... do you appreciate how different Hellenic women are to their Muslim counterparts?

Liberty or death!

A religion such as Islam would not last a day with us!

We cannot be oppressed, silenced, subjugated. We are the Earth Mothers, daughters of Athene, Pandora, Demeter, Artemis, Boumboulina .....

Put simply, it is just cultural, but do you understand how many poor Cypriot women (of Hellenic descent) sought abortions after the Turkish Invasion in 1974 ...

Please put that into perspective and have some respect......


What utter rubbish...The numbers coming from the same place that you got your dead and missing from...Your arse!!!! :roll: :roll: :roll:
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Postby insan » Mon Jan 19, 2009 11:26 pm

Oracle wrote:Insan ... do you appreciate how different Hellenic women are to their Muslim counterparts?

Liberty or death!

A religion such as Islam would not last a day with us!

We cannot be oppressed, silenced, subjugated. We are the Earth Mothers, daughters of Athene, Pandora, Demeter, Artemis, Boumboulina .....

Put simply, it is just cultural, but do you understand how many poor Cypriot women (of Hellenic descent) sought abortions after the Turkish Invasion in 1974 ...

Please put that into perspective and have some respect......


Dear Oracle... It is clear that i was making logical asumptions on possible to had been inter-marriages among Ottoman Turks and the then peasantry of GC women; u dragged the issue into somewhere irrelevant...
Relying on ur common decency ...

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Postby paliometoxo » Tue Jan 20, 2009 12:36 am

and abortion is illogal in cyprus only for the war in 1974 they made an exeption to these women that where raped by the turkish and allowed them to have abortions imagine a 13 year old girl raped by the army having to have an abortion the youngest was 12??? all the way to the old ladies, the army not getting enough sex raping anything with two legs?
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Postby insan » Tue Jan 20, 2009 1:33 am

paliometoxo wrote:and abortion is illogal in cyprus only for the war in 1974 they made an exeption to these women that where raped by the turkish and allowed them to have abortions imagine a 13 year old girl raped by the army having to have an abortion the youngest was 12??? all the way to the old ladies, the army not getting enough sex raping anything with two legs?


When i put the keywords(rape, Turkish, Cyprus) into google search, just a bunch of Hellenic propaganda websites appear in the results page. Where is that so-called ECHR report that charged Turkey bcz of the mass rapes in 1974 war? I couldn't even find such a report on official gov.cy websites. Waging propaganda to create impressions in favour of ur self-interests haven't led u to what u desire and won't lead u ever...
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Postby Oracle » Tue Jan 20, 2009 1:40 am

insan wrote:
paliometoxo wrote:and abortion is illogal in cyprus only for the war in 1974 they made an exeption to these women that where raped by the turkish and allowed them to have abortions imagine a 13 year old girl raped by the army having to have an abortion the youngest was 12??? all the way to the old ladies, the army not getting enough sex raping anything with two legs?


When i put the keywords(rape, Turkish, Cyprus) into google search, just a bunch of Hellenic propaganda websites appear in the results page. Where is that so-called ECHR report that charged Turkey bcz of the mass rapes in 1974 war? I couldn't even find such a report on official gov.cy websites. Waging propaganda to create impressions in favour of ur self-interests haven't led u to what u desire and won't lead u ever...


http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... sc&start=0
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Postby lovernomore » Tue Jan 20, 2009 1:46 am

Oracle wrote:
insan wrote:
paliometoxo wrote:and abortion is illogal in cyprus only for the war in 1974 they made an exeption to these women that where raped by the turkish and allowed them to have abortions imagine a 13 year old girl raped by the army having to have an abortion the youngest was 12??? all the way to the old ladies, the army not getting enough sex raping anything with two legs?


When i put the keywords(rape, Turkish, Cyprus) into google search, just a bunch of Hellenic propaganda websites appear in the results page. Where is that so-called ECHR report that charged Turkey bcz of the mass rapes in 1974 war? I couldn't even find such a report on official gov.cy websites. Waging propaganda to create impressions in favour of ur self-interests haven't led u to what u desire and won't lead u ever...


http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... sc&start=0


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