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CYPRUSAND THE ClASH OF GREEK AND TURKISH NATIONALISMS

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Postby zan » Mon Jan 19, 2009 5:01 pm

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insan wrote:Would u elaboarete how our only shared institution, trade unions had substantially torn apart by the pressures of the anti-colonial struggle?


The quote I made was to support the point that intermarriages were rare (which I know about empirically).

As for the Trade Unions, AKEL represented many TC members (indeed a number of these TCs voted for Enosis), who probably left after the widening differences between the struggle for self-determination (EOKA) and the separate wishes for Taksim.

TMT were also as anti-communist as EOKA; so they faced opposition from both fronts.

[Thank you for the TT youtube (reminds me of a cassette tape I repeatedly played, with them on ones side and Yazoo on the other) ... but we have to be serious in CyProb :lol: ]


You are so incredibly ignorant. Inter marriages were more common than is shown on statistics. They just had to be hidden due to the Cyprus problem.

This reminds me of the story of a young TC (Who’s father was killed in 63), recently applying for a Cyprus Passport, to be told that his mother did not exist. Upon returning, he challenged his mother to explain, why she doesn’t exist in the GC archives, to be told that She was GC and decided that it was safer to live amongst the TC’s than return to GC territory after the murder of her husband.
The GC can produce any statistic they like a, followed by rolling it up into a cylindrical shape and I think the rest they can figure it out for themselves.



Why do the GCs and the TCs look so much alike and can even be placed on the specific island.....I can see who is a Cypriot from a mile off and so can most of us....Are you just trying to widen the area so that it takes you in also :twisted:
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Postby insan » Mon Jan 19, 2009 6:24 pm

It is said most of the first Ottoman settlers were single and got married with Greek women of Cyprus and Makarios' mom was Turkish. True?
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Postby zan » Mon Jan 19, 2009 7:14 pm

insan wrote:It is said most of the first Ottoman settlers were single and got married with Greek women of Cyprus and Makarios' mom was Turkish. True?


I think that might just be because of a TCypriotism response to the mention of Makarios...Instantly we go to the "Anasini *********" mode!!! :wink: :lol:
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Postby Oracle » Mon Jan 19, 2009 7:35 pm

Seems you know very little about your nomadic, invasive, expansionist history.

So well organised were you Ottomans to the need to destroy pre-existing cultures, and colonise, that you travelled as a massive entourage complete with your own harems.

Look at how non-integrated you are to this day! You bring your own settlers from Turkey, to colonise ... to this day!

But of greater importance, since you are so "racist" this is so important to you, is the fact that you are proving unable to co-exist equally with others. We don't care about your genes (doubtless you think yours are special) ... it's your behaviour that needs addressing!
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Postby insan » Mon Jan 19, 2009 7:42 pm

peasantry? Harems?
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Postby zan » Mon Jan 19, 2009 7:43 pm

Oracle wrote:Seems you know very little about your nomadic, invasive, expansionist history.

So well organised were you Ottomans to the need to destroy pre-existing cultures, and colonise, that you travelled as a massive entourage complete with your own harems.

Look at how non-integrated you are to this day! You bring your own settlers from Turkey, to colonise ... to this day!

But of greater importance, since you are so "racist" this is so important to you, is the fact that you are proving unable to co-exist equally with others. We don't care about your genes (doubtless you think yours are special) ... it's your behaviour that needs addressing!




Now What nationality was that Greek Harry Stottle again....

How did the non-nomadic Greeks manage to colonise Cyprus....
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Postby Tim Drayton » Mon Jan 19, 2009 8:25 pm

insan wrote:peasantry? Harems?


Nomadic harems? I wonder how that works. By their very nature, harems have to be contained within pretty sound walls.
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Postby zan » Mon Jan 19, 2009 9:02 pm

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insan wrote:peasantry? Harems?


Nomadic harems? I wonder how that works. By their very nature, harems have to be contained within pretty sound walls.


Harems have had a press with you lot.....All it means is the "womens quarters"...As opposed to the "Selamlik"...Mens quarters.

Women and their children were occupants of this area.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harem

They were not fortresses Tim.
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Postby Oracle » Mon Jan 19, 2009 9:13 pm

I used the term "harem" in the loosest sense. Not just to denote the Royal Harems, but as Zan has explained, the run-of-the-mill collections of woeful women the Ottoman-Turks took along, to help them spread their demon seeds :roll:

They were not necessarily the delightful dens of your dreams :lol:
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Postby insan » Mon Jan 19, 2009 9:17 pm

zan wrote:
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insan wrote:peasantry? Harems?


Nomadic harems? I wonder how that works. By their very nature, harems have to be contained within pretty sound walls.


Harems have had a press with you lot.....All it means is the "womens quarters"...As opposed to the "Selamlik"...Mens quarters.

Women and their children were occupants of this area.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harem

They were not fortresses Tim.


Most probably, Oracle is refering to imperial harem of Padishah, in an effort to put forward her opinion that the first ottoman settlers who were mostly peasants benefiting from the imperial Harem and even if they were single they didn't need to get marry with Greek women of Cyprus.
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