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Humanist has explained the sentiment behind his choice of words.

What I wrote is something completely different.

If I describe those who invade, or have "broken" our island as Barbarians ... how am I being "racist"? It is a noun commonly and legitimately used to describe those who act in bestial ways.

Are people who do such things best described as civilised?

The rest, as to "barbaric" best befitting a particular "race" (and not merely those who partake of bestial acts), is a product of your imaginations ... hence the racists are no other than CopperLine and Bananiot. ... by virtue of their word association!

[doesntmatter]

Sad but true is the fact that someone who chose the name "humanist" can be such a racist as to lable 80,000,000 people as "barbarians".

[Viewpoint]

Bananiot you see what you want to see....... I make no apologies for statting that Edrogan and his flute players are barbarians and I will not apologise for he is keeping your own compatriots separated and some off them away fromnm their rights to their properties.

Has a solution bee found that we do not know about? humanist the problem has not gone away and has exsisted since 1963 when everything broke down, you are a party to the problem, you appear to trying to find someone else to blame instead of standing up and saying division was 50% our fault.

[humanist]

VP I continue my claim both Denktas and Edrogan today are barbarians of the highest order, you may wish to blame the GC's for your current situation, however those two individuals are to be blamed for the isolation of you people to begin with and this current day the only people keeping Cypriot refugess from returning to their homes as described in th article is none other than Edrogan.

The problem with you VP is that you appear to forget both the position of another person on this forum as well as what they write. Look at someone else if you want to say the above. I have many times before written that there are faults on both sides and they need to be acknowledged.

My point stands today the person responsible for the Cypriot divide is none other than Edrogan. He runs Turkey and Turkey runs the problem in Cyprus. Turkey runs the problem in Cyprus so that it can use it to get into the EU. The fact that they are talking about a re-election in the trnce this year is the fact that they are afraid Talat and Christofias may find a solution. Turkey will do anything in its power to prevent such action.

Once again adding firther to the disadvantage of the Turkish speaking Cypriot population. I have said it many times before VP i do believe that you and your family personally benefit from the division whether be that you have good jobs or other ways that allow you to live comfortably and you are forgetting about your compatriots who are struggling under the Turkish occupation of Cyprus and the management of the trnc.

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humanist

VP I continue my claim both Denktas and Edrogan today are barbarians of the highest order, you may wish to blame the GC's for your current situation, however those two individuals are to be blamed for the isolation of you people to begin with and this current day the only people keeping Cypriot refugess from returning to their homes as described in th article is none other than Edrogan.

Can you name people on the GC side who also contributed to the current divide and therefore the isolation of the TCs? There are other players who are just as much to blame for the impass, Papdop may he rot in hell didnt even want to talk let alone solve the problem yet you continue to accuse only TCs, this is not fair and you should start to see further than the end of your nose.

The problem with you VP is that you appear to forget both the position of another person on this forum as well as what they write. Look at someone else if you want to say the above. I have many times before written that there are faults on both sides and they need to be acknowledged.

Not to clear on what you are saying here but your previous statements reiterates how one sided you are you hold only 2 accountable for the division, which is totally wrong.

My point stands today the person responsible for the Cypriot divide is none other than Edrogan. He runs Turkey and Turkey runs the problem in Cyprus. Turkey runs the problem in Cyprus so that it can use it to get into the EU. The fact that they are talking about a re-election in the trnce this year is the fact that they are afraid Talat and Christofias may find a solution. Turkey will do anything in its power to prevent such action.

Erdogan wasnt even around when the division occured and no leader will wait around for GCs to understand that they cannot have 100% of what they demand, time stands still for no one and views change the election of Eroğlu will mean yet another 5 years of no progress as this is a man who does not even believe in talking with GCs let alone compromise, he will influence Turkey in a negative way and the status quo will continue. President Talat is the only man who can solve this problem so use your time wisely as he wil not be around forever and after hes gone you will have realized the opportunity missed.

Once again adding firther to the disadvantage of the Turkish speaking Cypriot population. I have said it many times before VP i do believe that you and your family personally benefit from the division whether be that you have good jobs or other ways that allow you to live comfortably and you are forgetting about your compatriots who are struggling under the Turkish occupation of Cyprus and the management of the trnc.

How do I benefit from division I live on Turkish title deed land and work for a private enterprise. Please feel free to ask any TCs about the option of staying as we are or living in a GC state run by GCs where we are just another minority?

[humanist]

VP I think some respect for the dead is due here ..... although you are entitled to your feelings. Perhaps I have not made myself clear and I apologise for this. I was talking about the current climate of the divide and the only obstacle at the moment is Turkey's interference in the path to solution and by this I refer to the new direction by Edrogan and his government for a early election. Could that be that Turkey has feared that Talat has realised that his people would be better off under a new Cyprus and therefore a solution to something that has not worked?

VP I have spoken to TC's and they have very clearly saying that they would like a solution because things are just not working under the current situation.

The fact that in 1974 or thereabouts your population was twice of what it is now tells me that you are not better off. You continue to be a minority in your own country and decisions are made externally the only difference is that you all speak the same language and from what I hear there are slight diferences in that domain also.

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humanist

VP I think some respect for the dead is due here ..... although you are entitled to your feelings. Perhaps I have not made myself clear and I apologise for this. I was talking about the current climate of the divide and the only obstacle at the moment is Turkey's interference in the path to solution and by this I refer to the new direction by Edrogan and his government for a early election. Could that be that Turkey has feared that Talat has realised that his people would be better off under a new Cyprus and therefore a solution to something that has not worked?

There are a few times when the dead can be talked of badly and this is one of them my hate towards Papadop is the same as yours is against Denktaş senior, Papdop did nothing for a solution may god do with him what he deserves which imo in burning in hell.

How soon you forget that the last attempt at a solution was rejected by GCs not Turkey the UN and EU have even thanked them for their positive stance and effort toward finding a solution.

Only with Christofias efforts have the south gained credibility in looking for a solution. If your leader is clever he will speed up the process before President Talat goes and reaches a deal.
Talat didnt not recommend timetables for nothing, it was a sign to use your time with him at the helm wisely.

VP I have spoken to TC's and they have very clearly saying that they would like a solution because things are just not working under the current situation.

That maybe so but its important to ask would they prefer the current situation to living in a Gc state run by Gcs as a minority????? ı think you will bery suprised.

The fact that in 1974 or thereabouts your population was twice of what it is now tells me that you are not better off. You continue to be a minority in your own country and decisions are made externally the only difference is that you all speak the same language and from what I hear there are slight diferences in that domain also.

This really doesnt concern you like every other country in the world we to have our problems but at least we do not have to deal with GC dominance.

[halil]

I wonder , why ?
some peoples are not asking this question to themself sometimes.

Why Turkish Cypriots did not except the 13 points ?

come on So called humanist try to find answers ?

What was the purpose of the establishment of partnership republic of ROC in 1960.

why , the problems and conflict started in 1963 ?

If we were better off before 1974 , what was the point not excepting 13 points or GC domination over TC's