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[Get Real!]

“Nationalism” applies once a country becomes a nation as was the case of Cyprus from 1960 onwards with the London/Zurich agreements, and the ONLY people who fought and died for this country were Makarios’ supporters, a list of names you’ll find here…

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=21134

…these are the heroes of Cyprus while the rest were traitors serving foreign interests.

[insan]

“Nationalism” applies once a country becomes a nation as was the case of Cyprus from 1960 onwards with the London/Zurich agreements, and the ONLY people who fought and died for this country were Makarios’ supporters, a list of names you’ll find here…

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=21134

…these are the heroes of Cyprus while the rest were traitors serving foreign interests.

Hmmm... Aren't all GCs happy being in US founded EU that is the milestone product of Western "imperialism"? R they all "traitors"? Or the victims of "traitors" who made them believe that EU was not an "imperialist" union but the source of happiness?

[Bananiot]

Just ignore him insan. He uses the etymology of the word nationalism to arrive at sound political judgement!

[YFred]

“Nationalism” applies once a country becomes a nation as was the case of Cyprus from 1960 onwards with the London/Zurich agreements, and the ONLY people who fought and died for this country were Makarios’ supporters, a list of names you’ll find here…

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=21134

…these are the heroes of Cyprus while the rest were traitors serving foreign interests.

And for a few seconds I thought you were an intelligent man. Your mentality is identical to Bush. You are either with us or against us. With that mentality I will be always against you, although I do support any people who fight for self determination,. You are less civilised than even Atilla the Han or Cengiz Han. Learn from history. They were a thousand times more civilised than you. If you can't figure out why, I will explain to you so even idiots like you will understand.

[Piratis]

“Nationalism” applies once a country becomes a nation as was the case of Cyprus from 1960 onwards with the London/Zurich agreements, and the ONLY people who fought and died for this country were Makarios’ supporters, a list of names you’ll find here…

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=21134

…these are the heroes of Cyprus while the rest were traitors serving foreign interests.

And for a few seconds I thought you were an intelligent man. Your mentality is identical to Bush. You are either with us or against us. With that mentality I will be always against you, although I do support any people who fight for self determination,. You are less civilised than even Atilla the Han or Cengiz Han. Learn from history. They were a thousand times more civilised than you. If you can't figure out why, I will explain to you so even idiots like you will understand.

Yes, explain it to us!

So what you are saying is that Bush, the Hans, Hitler, the invading Turks etc are the nice ones, while the people of an island who fight against such kind of invaders, for their freedom and self-determination, are the evil ones?

The world is divided into nations and most people are nationalists in one degree or another. If that wasn't the case then there wouldn't be nation states and borders, national teams, national flags, national anthems or anything like that.

These nations are separated into peaceful nations, which respect all others, and aggressive imperialistic nations which invade others and do not show any kind of respect. Turkey is in the second category.

True anti-nationalists do not support the interests of any nation, but want a world without nations and without borders.

In this forum there is no anti-nationalist. Those that want the dissolution of only our nation, while at the same time fully support the nation of Turkey and are trying to help Turkey to have gains on the expense of our nation, are not "anti-nationalists", but confused people who think that supporting the enemy to commit crimes against your own nation is something fashionable.

Just like most fashions, this fashion also originates from the USA. I have an uncle who participated into several USA sponsored programs which they brainwash the participants and make them followers of this fashion.

[YFred]

Not that they prove anything but I accepted the challenge of converting it just because GR couldn't, and it took 3 minutes.
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Full name name of father date and place of birth place of stay in 1974 militaryman or citizen unit that it served date and place of death identification of relic with method dna

1 alexandros [rodosthenis] [alexandros] 10.7.1936 [anarita] [anarita] citizen 15.7.74 [kolossi]
2 kingdom andreas [iordanis] 21.5.46 [lemesos] [kapsalos] [lemesoy] police backup body 15.7.74 region of headquarters of police
3 [bladimiroy] panagiotis [bladimiros] 1.4.1941 [ag].[theraponta] [lemesoy] [lemesos] special constable police address [lemesoy] 15.7.74 [ilektr].[stathmos] of abbey
4 [georgioy] (ace) athanassios [christoforos] 7.1.1948 [amargeti] [palloyriotissa] nicosia police officer archdiocese 15.7.74 archdiocese
5 [georgioy] demosthenes [georgios] 8.12.1942 means village [pafoy] means village [pafos] special constable police address [pafoy] 8.9.74 means village
6 [eyagoroy] [sabbas] [zinon] 14.4.1951 property saint theodoros [pafoy] [astynomikos] presidential guard 15.7.74 presidential palace
7 [zinieris] dimitrios [georgios] 28.10.1936 [gerolakkos] [chloraka] [pafos] citizen 15.7.74 [kolossi]
8 [irodotoy] [georgios] [irodotos] 20.5.1938 bishopric [pafoy] saint theodoros [pafoy] [politis] 15.7.74 [kolossi]
9 [theodosioy] andreas [theodosis] 3.7.1960 [larnaka] [larnaka] citizen 15.7.74 [larnaka]
10 [kestas] andreas [lysandros] 12.2.1954 pedals [lemesos] police officer 16.7.74 cape
11 knot [christakis] petros 29.3.1950 [lemesos] [lemesos] police backup body 16.7.1974 [ag].[tychona] [lemesoy]
12 [koyrtelli] achilles [kostas] 4.1.1950 [larnaka] [larnaka] citizen 15.7.74 [larnaka]
13 [kritiotis] philippos [ioannis] 1955 [statos], st. [fotios] [statos] [pafos] conscript 120 [lbo] 16.7.74 [kolossi]
14 cyrille [charalampos] [filippos] 10.10.1955 [chloraka] [chloraka] [pafos] police presidential guard 15-17.7.74 region [lemesoy]
15 konstantinos [kostakis] [eyagoras] 7.3.1954 [loybaras] [loybaras] police backup body 15.7.1974 region of headquarters of police
16 [loizoy] [doros] [byron] 23.2.1944 nicosia saint [dometios] nicosia citizen 30.8.74 nicosia
17 blissful andreas [kostas] 18.11.1957 you enter you enter citizen 15.7.74 [kolossi]
18 [matthaioy] [matthaios] nikolaos 22.2.1955 [ag].[georgios] [spatharikoy] saint [georgios] [spatharikoy] soldier 32 [mk] 15.7.74 presidential palace
19 [misiaoylis] kostas [andreas] 29.5.1950 saint [epifaneios] [tseri] nicosia citizen 17.7.1974 was wounded, [apebiose] in the 22.7.1974 in the [gen].[nosok].[leykosias]
20 [michailidis] andreas [nikos] 1.8.1946 [kallepeia] nicosia police backup body 15.7.74 was wounded in the region of headquarters of police - [apebiose] in the 6.8.1974 in the [gen].[nos].[leykosias]
21 [papadopoylos] andreas ([antis]) kostas 7.9.1950 [pafos] saint theodoros [pafoy] [astynomikos] police address [pafoy] 16.7.74 [zakaki] [lemesoy]
22 pavlos [ntinos] [paylos] 8.8.1946 hide hide [lemesoy] special constable 15.7.1974 [malia]
23 [pelabas] [ilias] [christodoylos] 19.9.1918 [argaki] [argaki] citizen 29.9.74 [lemesos]
24 [perikleoys] pericles [panagiotis] of 9.2.1955 salami nicosia headquarters of police police backup body 15.7.74 region of headquarters of police x
25 [peristianis] kostas [kazafani] [larnaka] [a].[ypastynomos] 15.7.1974 it was wounded in the region of police address [larnakas]- [apebiose] in the 11.8.1975
26 [sabbidis] [stelios] [christodoylos] 25.1.1952 [drymoy] [drymoy] police backup body 15.7.74 region of headquarters of police
27 [siamma] ([christofi]) resurrection [christofis] 30.8.1952 [fikardoy] [fikardoy] citizen 16.7.1974 saint [tychona] [lemesoy]
28 [siamma] ([christofi]) [charalampos] [christofis] 21.3.1949 [fikardoy] [fikardoy] citizen 16.7.1974 saint [tychona] [lemesoy]
29 [siepis] [stelios] brilliant 2.10.1954 down [pafos] [pafos] special constable police address [lemesoy] 15.7.74 [astyn].[stathmos] [ag].[ioanni] [lemesoy]
30 solomos nikos [christos] 14.9.1952 [pachyammos] [tyllirias] [pachyammos] [tyllirias] special constable backup body 17.7.74 [lemesos]
31 [stokkos] [feidias] [eyripidis] 13.4.1952 [choletria] [choletria] [pafoy] assistant sergeant of police backup body 15.7.74 headquarters of police 32 stylianos [stelios] [andreas] 29.3.1948 [ag].[dimitrios] [marathasas] [palloyriotissa] nicosia citizen 15.7.74 region of headquarters of police
33 [symeonidis] [christodoylos] simeon 25.3.1939 [ampelikoy] [lemesos] [an].[lochias] of police 15.7.74 region [lemesoy]
34 [sotiropoylos] [eygenios] [theocharis] 16.4.1937 [keryneia] [kaimakli] nicosia citizen 15.7.74 nicosia
35 [floyrentzoy] nikos ([christoforoy]) [sabbas] 1956 [keryneia] [kontemenos] conscript 281 [t].[p]. 16.7.74 region "? [panagia]"? The village saint [epifaneios]
36 [ch]"? [stefani] ([adamoy]) [georgios] [adamos] 5.3.1930 [larnaka] [larnaka] citizen 15.7.1974 [larnaka]
37 [charalampoys] [georgios] [charalampos] 20.12.1957 [larnaka] [larnaka] citizen 15.7.1974 [larnaka] 38 [charalampoys] [pantelakis] [charalampos] [christofi] 28.2.1954 [lazania] [lazania] citizen 16.7.1974 saint [tychona] [lemesoy]
39 [chatzikonstantinoy] month [pieris] 6.7.1950 [larnaka] [assia] police officer 15.7.74 region of headquarters of police
40 [christodoyloy] ([papapayloy]) [michalakis] [christodoylos] 11.9.1944 virgin mary nicosia police officer headquarters of police 15.7.74 headquarters of police
Pesontes] at coup d'etat (coupists) full name name of father date and place of birth place of stay in 1974 militaryman or citizen unit that it served date and place of death identification of relic with method dna
1 [andronikoy] [christoforos] [sabbas] 27.12.1953 catholic, [lemesos] board conscript corporal 216 [t].[p]. Were wounded in the 15.7.74. [apebiose] in the 8.8.1974 in the [nosok]. Cape
2 [aniliadis] [nearchos] [stayros] 22.11.1953 nicosia saint [dometios] nicosia conscript sergeant 31 [mk] 15.7.74 region of presidential palace
3 [aristeidoy] or [aristodimoy] spyros [dimos] 19.1.1956 [lemesos] [lemesos] conscript sergeant 216 [t].[p]. Were wounded in the 15.7.74 and [apebiose] in the 21.7.74
4 [theodoyloy] konstantinos [spyros] 11.7.1954 [nikitari] [nikitari] conscript sergeant 256 [tp] 15.7.74 [morfoy]
5 ioannis [achilleas] ([pirintzii]) petros 5.11.1955 [ag].[theraponta] [lemesoy] [lemesos] conscript corporal 32[mk] 16.7.1974 [gen].[nosok]. Nicosia h
6 ioannis [giannakis] [pantelis] 2.7.1956 [pelendri] [pelendri] conscript sergeant 31 [mk] 15.7.74 region [rik] nicosia
7 [kanezos] [ntinos] ([kanellos]) [kleanthis] 1954 [syrianochori] [syrianochori] conscript 31 [mk] 15.7.74 region [rik] nicosia
8 [karkas] thomas [sabbas] 9.11.1954 [paliometocho] [paliometocho] conscript 31[mk] 15.7.74 region of headquarters of police
9 [kapsalis] konstantinos [charalampos] 30.12.1956 nicosia [kapedes] conscript sergeant 32 [mk] 15.7.74 region of presidential palace
10 [koyllamis] andreas [michalis] 19.8.1954 st. Theodoros [agroy] [agios] theodoros [agroy] [politis] 15.7.1974 [lemesos]
11 [koytsoftas] odysseus [loykas] 4.3.1955 [paralimni] [paralimni] conscript corporal 32[mk] 15.7.74 presidential palace
12 [kynigopoylos] nikos [stayros] 24.1.1954 [ammochostos] station [moyttagiakas] conscript sergeant 31 [mk] 15.7.1974 region [rik], nicosia h 13 [konstantinidis] [charalampos] [theodoylos] 17.8.1954 [ag].[omologites] [lsia] parish of saint antonios [leykosias] [ypodekaneas] 195 [mea]/[ap] 15.7.1974 region [rik], nicosia
14 konstantinos [sotirios] [adamos] 6.8.1955 nicosia saint [dometios] nicosia conscript [ypodekaneas] 31 [mk] 15.7.1974 region [rik], nicosia
15 mark [riginos] entire 21.11.1936 [paramytha] [pachna] citizen 16.7.74 [zakaki] [lemesoy]
16 black ioannis [andreas] 24.1.1955 nicosia nicosia cadet axiomatic [ken] [larnakas] 15.7.1974 [larnaka] - from accidental detonation of his arm of colleague
17 [miltiadoy] andreas [kostas] 9.2.1955 [lemesos] saint of mum [lemesoy] conscript 32 [m].[k]. 15.7.1974 presidential palace
18 micheal [kosti] [mamas] [michail] 2.2.1955 [bitsada] [ammochostoy] [bitsada] [ammochostoy] sergeant 23 [ema] 15.7.74 region of archdiocese
19 [neokleoys] of (dimitrios) [kostakis] dimitrios 8.10.1954 [astromeritis] [astromeritis] conscript 231 [tp] 15.7.74 region [gerolakkoy]
20 nikolaos [kosmas] [paylos] 25.8.1955 [lagia] [lagia] conscript 31 [mk] 15.7.74 region [rik] nicosia
21 grocer antonios [kostas] [assia] [assia] [anthypolochagos] 32[mk] 15.7.74 region of presidential palace
22 [papabarnaba] barnabas [dimitrios] 18.9.1955 [tympoy] [ypodekaneas] 195 [mea]/[ap] 16.7.74 region [rik]
23 [papadopoylos] dimitrios [kyriakos] 21.1.1938 [pyrga] [ammochostoy] [pyrga] [ammochostoy] citizen 16.7.74 region of quarry [komis] [kepir] 24 [papapetroy] [dionysios] dimitrios 1.2.1955 [karabas] [karabas] conscript corporal 32 [mk] 15.7.74 region of presidential palace
25 [partzilis] antonios [adamos] 1954 [ammochostos] [ammochostos] conscript 32[mk] 15.7.74 region of presidential palace
26 [pelentridis] [iraklis] [georgios] 21.10.1943 [ismailia] egypt saint area [lemesoy] citizen 16.7.74 region [zakakioy] [lemesoy]
27 petros [charis] [dimos] 1955 [pachna] [pachna] conscript 32 [mk] 15.7.74 region of archdiocese
28 [sabba] dominical andreas [patsalos] 20.11.1954 [ag].[paylos] [lemesoy] citizen 15.7.1974 region [astyn].[stathmoy] [ag].[ioannoy] [lemesoy]
29 [sabba] panagiotis [dimitrios] 7.4.1953 [pachna] [pachna] conscript corporal 32 [mk] 15.7.74 region of presidential palace
30 [sabbaki] micheal [sabbas] 14.12.1955 [lemesos] [lemesos] conscript 32 [mk] 15.7.74 region of presidential palace
31 [siakallis] dimitrios [mikis]. 26.10.1951 [kaimakli] nicosia citizen 16.7.1974 [kaimakli]
32 [symkasis] [iosif] ioannis 1955 [kormakitis] [lemesos] conscript 31 [mk] 15.7.74 region [rik] nicosia
33 [charalampoys] andreas [ioanni] 11.3.1955 [k].[dikomo] [dikomo] conscript sergeant 32[mk] 15.7.1974 was wounded in the region of presidential palace and [apebiose] in the 21.7.1974 in the [gen].[nosok]. Nicosia
34 [chatzipanagiotoy] ([ch]"? [papapanagiotoy]) theodoros [georgios] 18.2.1956 [menoiko] [menoiko] conscript corporal 21 if 15.7.74 region of presidential palace
35 [christodoyloy] nikolas [kyriakos] 31.3.1955 bishopric [pafoy] saint seces [lemesoy] conscript [ld]/iv [atd] 15.7.1974 [d]΄[anotera] [lemesos]
36 [christofidis] ([tofari]) panic [christoforos] 15.3.1947 good village [lemesoy] good village reservist [anthypolochagos] 16.7.1974 region [zakakioy]
37 fisherman sotiris [andreas] 20.12.1946 pella [pais] pella [pais] constable police address [keryneias] 17.7.74 [keryneia]

[Pesontes] victims of coup d'etat (civilian victims) full name name of father date and place of birth place of stay in 1974 militaryman or citizen unit that it served date and place of death identification of relic with method dna

1 [andreoy] [giannakis] andreas [ioannoy] 28.9.1939 [alampra] nicosia citizen 15.7.74 region of citadel nicosia
2 [antoniadoy] mr [iris] [sotos] [charalampoys] 1923 [lemesos] [lemesos] citizen 15.7.74 region of presidential palace
3 [argyridoy] ([loizoy]) [androylla] [agamemnon] 6.1.1956 [kaimakli] [kaimakli] nicosia citizen 15.7.74 [kaimakli] nicosia
4 barnabas [kyriakos] [barnaba] 16.3.1938 [leykonoiko] [omorfita] nicosia citizen 15.7.74 was wounded in the [leof].[stasinoy] and [apebiose] in the 22.7.1974 h
5 [georgioy] theodoros [petros] 1955 [chloraka] [chloraka] [pafos] conscript [ld]/v at[d] 16.7.1974 property
6 [giagkoy] gifts [giagkos] [andreoy] 1967 citadel nicosia citizen 15.7.74 region of citadel nicosia
7 theodoros [margarita] [nikolas] 18.9.1912 [amargeti] [lemesos] citizen 15.7.74 [lemesos]
8 [mayrommatis] [chrysilios] loukas 18.3.1925 [akaki] [akaki] citizen 30.8.74 nicosia 9 [mitsaki] n. [kyriakoyla] [sotos] 1918 [lemesos] [lemesos] citizen 15.7.74 region of presidential palace
10 [pidia] [stayros] [stelios] 3.3.66 [lemesos] [lemesos] citizen 15.7.74 [lemesos]
11 [pilidis] andreas [michail] 28.4.1933 [assia] [ammochostos] citizen 15.7.74 region nicosia
12 [stayroy] [olympiada] [neofytos] [ch]"? Attitude cape cape citizen 17.7.1974 cape
13 [tymbios] of (solomos) nikos [solomos] 8.9.1940 [tympoy] [lemesos] citizen 15.7.74 region [psychiatreioy] [athalassas]
14 [chatziirodotoy] [genethlios] ([tzakis]) 16.4.1943 [aglantzia] [aglantzia] nicosia citizen 15.7.74 [aglantzia]
15 [christodoyloy] antonis 17.1.1951 [troylloi] [assia] citizen 15.7.1974 region nicosia
16 [kleanthoys] [theodotos] dimitrios 31.10.1949 [pachna] [larnaka] citizen 18.7.74 [larnaka

Elladites] [pesontes] at coup d'etat (greek military) full name name of father a.m. militaryman or citizen unit that served place and date of death identification of relic with method dna

1 [spiliotopoylos] [ilias] virtuous 108/37541/74 sergeant 21 if 15.7.74 region [rik] nicosia
2 [zerbos] [kon]/[nos] micheal 34969 [tchis] [pz] iv [atd] 15.7.74 [exothen] of building of iv [atd] [lemesoy]
3 [cholidis] [charalampos] nikolaos 34943 [tchis] [pz] 31 [mk] 15.7.74 region [athalassis]
4 [rokkas] theodoros [michail] 36860 [lgos] [pz] 32 [mk] 15.7.74 kiosk "? [ochi]"? [leof].[stasinoy] nicosia
5 [theodoropoylos] [georgios] athanassios 6802 [epchias] [pz] [eldyk] 15.7.74 inside building of airport nicosia xenophon [kallis] [eisigitis] of list [pesonton] ministry of abroads

[miltiades]

One definition of nationalism from Wikipedia , it makes interesting reading , furthermore it is so relevant to our nation , Cyprus.
"""Nationalism refers to an ideology, a sentiment, a form of culture, or a social movement that focuses on the nation.[1] While there is significant debate over the historical origins of nations, nearly all specialists accept that nationalism, at least as an ideology and social movement, is a modern phenomenon originating in Europe.[2] Precisely where and when it emerged is difficult to determine, but its development is closely related to that of the modern state and the push for popular sovereignty that came to a head with the French Revolution in the late 18th century. Since that time, nationalism has become one of the most significant political and social forces in history, perhaps most notably as a cause of both the First and Second World Wars.

As an ideology, nationalism holds that 'the people' in the doctrine of popular sovereignty is the nation, and that as a result only nation-states founded on the principle of national self-determination are legitimate. Since most states are multinational, or at least home to more than one group claiming national status,[3] the pursuit of this principle has often led to conflict, and nationalism is commonly associated with war[4] (both external and domestic), secession, and even genocide in contexts ranging from imperial conquest to struggles for national liberation.

Nationalism does not always lead to violence, however, and it plays an integral role in the daily lives of most people around the world. Flags on buildings, the singing of national anthems in schools and at public events, and cheering for national sports teams are all examples of everyday, 'banal' nationalism that is often unselfconscious.[5] Moreover, some scholars argue that nationalism as a sentiment or form of culture, sometimes described as 'nationality' to avoid the ideology's tarnished reputation, is the social foundation of modern society. Industrialization, democratization, and support for economic redistribution have all been at least partly attributed to the shared social context and solidarity that nationalism provides.[6][7][8]

Nevertheless, nationalism remains a hotly contested subject on which there is little general consensus. The clearest example of opposition to nationalism is cosmopolitanism, with adherents as diverse as liberals, Marxists, and anarchists, but even nationalism's defenders often disagree on its virtues, and it is common for nationalists of one persuasion to disparage the aspirations of others for both principled and strategic reasons. Indeed, the only fact about nationalism that is not in dispute may be that few other social phenomena have had a more enduring impact on the modern world

[YFred]

“Nationalism” applies once a country becomes a nation as was the case of Cyprus from 1960 onwards with the London/Zurich agreements, and the ONLY people who fought and died for this country were Makarios’ supporters, a list of names you’ll find here…

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=21134

…these are the heroes of Cyprus while the rest were traitors serving foreign interests.

And for a few seconds I thought you were an intelligent man. Your mentality is identical to Bush. You are either with us or against us. With that mentality I will be always against you, although I do support any people who fight for self determination,. You are less civilised than even Atilla the Han or Cengiz Han. Learn from history. They were a thousand times more civilised than you. If you can't figure out why, I will explain to you so even idiots like you will understand.

Yes, explain it to us!

So what you are saying is that Bush, the Hans, Hitler, the invading Turks etc are the nice ones, while the people of an island who fight against such kind of invaders, for their freedom and self-determination, are the evil ones?

The world is divided into nations and most people are nationalists in one degree or another. If that wasn't the case then there wouldn't be nation states and borders, national teams, national flags, national anthems or anything like that.

These nations are separated into peaceful nations, which respect all others, and aggressive imperialistic nations which invade others and do not show any kind of respect. Turkey is in the second category.

True anti-nationalists do not support the interests of any nation, but want a world without nations and without borders.

In this forum there is no anti-nationalist. Those that want the dissolution of only our nation, while at the same time fully support the nation of Turkey and are trying to help Turkey to have gains on the expense of our nation, are not "anti-nationalists", but confused people who think that supporting the enemy to commit crimes against your own nation is something fashionable.

Just like most fashions, this fashion also originates from the USA. I have an uncle who participated into several USA sponsored programs which they brainwash the participants and make them followers of this fashion.

Ok. It’s my pleasure.

If you study the way the two Hans operated in their time, you will soon appreciate one simple rule that they applied to grate effect.

If their friends were under the control of their enemy and never mind not take part in the fight, but joined their enemy. The hans had no ill will towards their so called traitor friends, after the war was over, because they appreciated the predicament their friends found themselves in, and their need for self survival and need to feed their families. When the war is over, the so called “traitors” were allowed to join the hans with no ill will. This simple idea is even practiced today in Afghanistan. Never mind any other behaviour, put that against your Hellenist idea of with us or against us and you are in the stone age in civilisation terms.

[YFred]

One definition of nationalism from Wikipedia , it makes interesting reading , furthermore it is so relevant to our nation , Cyprus.
"""Nationalism refers to an ideology, a sentiment, a form of culture, or a social movement that focuses on the nation.[1] While there is significant debate over the historical origins of nations, nearly all specialists accept that nationalism, at least as an ideology and social movement, is a modern phenomenon originating in Europe.[2] Precisely where and when it emerged is difficult to determine, but its development is closely related to that of the modern state and the push for popular sovereignty that came to a head with the French Revolution in the late 18th century. Since that time, nationalism has become one of the most significant political and social forces in history, perhaps most notably as a cause of both the First and Second World Wars.

As an ideology, nationalism holds that 'the people' in the doctrine of popular sovereignty is the nation, and that as a result only nation-states founded on the principle of national self-determination are legitimate. Since most states are multinational, or at least home to more than one group claiming national status,[3] the pursuit of this principle has often led to conflict, and nationalism is commonly associated with war[4] (both external and domestic), secession, and even genocide in contexts ranging from imperial conquest to struggles for national liberation.

Nationalism does not always lead to violence, however, and it plays an integral role in the daily lives of most people around the world. Flags on buildings, the singing of national anthems in schools and at public events, and cheering for national sports teams are all examples of everyday, 'banal' nationalism that is often unselfconscious.[5] Moreover, some scholars argue that nationalism as a sentiment or form of culture, sometimes described as 'nationality' to avoid the ideology's tarnished reputation, is the social foundation of modern society. Industrialization, democratization, and support for economic redistribution have all been at least partly attributed to the shared social context and solidarity that nationalism provides.[6][7][8]

Nevertheless, nationalism remains a hotly contested subject on which there is little general consensus. The clearest example of opposition to nationalism is cosmopolitanism, with adherents as diverse as liberals, Marxists, and anarchists, but even nationalism's defenders often disagree on its virtues, and it is common for nationalists of one persuasion to disparage the aspirations of others for both principled and strategic reasons. Indeed, the only fact about nationalism that is not in dispute may be that few other social phenomena have had a more enduring impact on the modern world

My only interest in nationalism is the devastation it has caused all over the world, because the way it has been used and abused. Nothing else has any relevance to this discussion.
Sorry, I didn't read it properly. Above comments are of course relevant to this discussion.

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Just ignore him insan. He uses the etymology of the word nationalism to arrive at sound political judgement!

I used the DEFINITION not the word's historical origins…