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[Get Real!]

Nationalism is what caused the troubles of 1963.

Absolute rubbish! Here's a definition for "Nationalism"...

1. Devotion to the interests or culture of one's nation.

2. The belief that nations will benefit from acting independently rather than collectively, emphasizing national rather than international goals.

3. Aspirations for national independence in a country under foreign domination.

http://education.yahoo.com/reference/di ... ationalism

With the exception of Makarios and his supporters who fought for the preservation of the RoC, the rest were nothing but traitors fighting for another country.

Ethnic cleansing is what your government also colluded in gathering the TC's in the south and moving them up north some against there will.

Rubbish again! The ethnic cleansing was carried out by Turkey, first against the TCs via the TMT, and then on the GCs via the 74 invasion.

[YFred]

Christ all mighty, the dreaded angloamericans forgot to spray the clouds over the last week and we have been drowned in rain water!

The Minister Polinikis heralds from the social nationalist party of EDEK and his name litterally means "many victories". Some commentators have been calling him Poliittas which litterally means "many defeats". Remember, initially he was sure we would get water from Lebanon, free of charge.

The point is they chose to oblige and also they terrified the TC's so much that they had no choice. It is a point of principle which the GC's love so much. There hands are not as clean as they pretend.

Every patriot is a "nationalist" according to Bananiot. According to him "non-nationalists" are the ones who surrender to the nationalism and imperialism of others.

Nationalism dear Bananiot is when you want your own nation to have gains on the expense of other nations, not when you defend the self-determination and human rights of your country.

Nationalism is what caused the troubles of 1963. Ethnic cleansing is what your government also colluded in gathering the TC's in the south and moving them up north some against there will.
You really need to remove those hellenic glasses off for a while. Its winter, no need for them.

Now now Fred , the Turkish army demanded that all T/Cs from the South should be moved to the North. They gave an ultimatum . The British to assist their transportation to the North or they would come and get them themselves.
I can see that You were not there at the time , those that were will concur with what I have just posted.

They didn't have to, ultimatum or no ultimatum. If the TA said send over 50,000 GC's would they have done it.
If they didn't terrify the TC's in the first place, would they have wanted to move north, I know people who refused and were forced to move out anyway.
Their hands are not clean as they pretend.

[YFred]

Nationalism is what caused the troubles of 1963.

Absolute rubbish! Here's a definition for "Nationalism"...

1. Devotion to the interests or culture of one's nation.

2. The belief that nations will benefit from acting independently rather than collectively, emphasizing national rather than international goals.

3. Aspirations for national independence in a country under foreign domination.

http://education.yahoo.com/reference/di ... ationalism

With the exception of Makarios and his supporters who fought for the preservation of the RoC, the rest were nothing but traitors fighting for another country.

Ethnic cleansing is what your government also colluded in gathering the TC's in the south and moving them up north some against there will.

Rubbish again! The ethnic cleansing was carried out by Turkey, first against the TCs via the TMT, and then on the GCs via the 74 invasion.

I see you don’t practice what you preach. Play with words when you think its to your advantage. Never mind about the meaning of the word my friend. See the environment it created.

As far as Makarios is concerned, the moment he stopped being a traitor, he was overthrown by his own traitor friends. How many years was he in power against his traitor friends?

Yes indeed how right you are. TMT went around terrifying the TC’s to leave their homes in 63. Pull the other one GR. The middle one has bells on it.

[miltiades]

Christ all mighty, the dreaded angloamericans forgot to spray the clouds over the last week and we have been drowned in rain water!

The Minister Polinikis heralds from the social nationalist party of EDEK and his name litterally means "many victories". Some commentators have been calling him Poliittas which litterally means "many defeats". Remember, initially he was sure we would get water from Lebanon, free of charge.

The point is they chose to oblige and also they terrified the TC's so much that they had no choice. It is a point of principle which the GC's love so much. There hands are not as clean as they pretend.

Every patriot is a "nationalist" according to Bananiot. According to him "non-nationalists" are the ones who surrender to the nationalism and imperialism of others.

Nationalism dear Bananiot is when you want your own nation to have gains on the expense of other nations, not when you defend the self-determination and human rights of your country.

Nationalism is what caused the troubles of 1963. Ethnic cleansing is what your government also colluded in gathering the TC's in the south and moving them up north some against there will.
You really need to remove those hellenic glasses off for a while. Its winter, no need for them.

Now now Fred , the Turkish army demanded that all T/Cs from the South should be moved to the North. They gave an ultimatum . The British to assist their transportation to the North or they would come and get them themselves.
I can see that You were not there at the time , those that were will concur with what I have just posted.

They didn't have to, ultimatum or no ultimatum. If the TA said send over 50,000 GC's would they have done it.
If they didn't terrify the TC's in the first place, would they have wanted to move north, I know people who refused and were forced to move out anyway.
Their hands are not clean as they pretend.

Fred I guess you are under 40 years old and that , unlike my self , you were not around in 1974 . The Turkish army DEMANDED , itdid not politely request. Why would they have requested G/Cs for crying out loud they had just expelled almost 200 thousand.
Are you aware that not one single T/C lost a life for some 6 years prior to the invasion , so where was all this killing taking place ?

[insan]

Christ all mighty, the dreaded angloamericans forgot to spray the clouds over the last week and we have been drowned in rain water!

The Minister Polinikis heralds from the social nationalist party of EDEK and his name litterally means "many victories". Some commentators have been calling him Poliittas which litterally means "many defeats". Remember, initially he was sure we would get water from Lebanon, free of charge.

The point is they chose to oblige and also they terrified the TC's so much that they had no choice. It is a point of principle which the GC's love so much. There hands are not as clean as they pretend.

Every patriot is a "nationalist" according to Bananiot. According to him "non-nationalists" are the ones who surrender to the nationalism and imperialism of others.

Nationalism dear Bananiot is when you want your own nation to have gains on the expense of other nations, not when you defend the self-determination and human rights of your country.

Nationalism is what caused the troubles of 1963. Ethnic cleansing is what your government also colluded in gathering the TC's in the south and moving them up north some against there will.
You really need to remove those hellenic glasses off for a while. Its winter, no need for them.

Now now Fred , the Turkish army demanded that all T/Cs from the South should be moved to the North. They gave an ultimatum . The British to assist their transportation to the North or they would come and get them themselves.
I can see that You were not there at the time , those that were will concur with what I have just posted.

They didn't have to, ultimatum or no ultimatum. If the TA said send over 50,000 GC's would they have done it.
If they didn't terrify the TC's in the first place, would they have wanted to move north, I know people who refused and were forced to move out anyway.
Their hands are not clean as they pretend.

Fred I guess you are under 40 years old and that , unlike my self , you were not around in 1974 . The Turkish army DEMANDED , itdid not politely request. Why would they have requested G/Cs for crying out loud they had just expelled almost 200 thousand.
Are you aware that not one single T/C lost a life for some 6 years prior to the invasion , so where was all this killing taking place ?

Mutual combat between Turkish and Hellenic forces.

http://www.hellas.org/cyprus/timeline.htm

Saturday July 20, 1974

06:07 Cyprus Turkish transport planes and helicopters dropped paratroopers at locations between Lefkosia and Bogazi, Mias Milias and Gerolakkou. Although the organized Greek resistance was spread thin due to the large Turkish forces, the Turkish side made numerous mistakes. One such example is the dropping of 120 troops on Mia Milia. When the villagers saw the troops in the sky, they took whatever firearms they had and started firing. From the 120 troops, 93 were killed, 1 was taken captive, while the rest fled.

Miltiadis, guess what's happened, when the fled Turkis soldiers informed other Turkish troops abt this incident....

War is stupid, causes so many deaths, damages, destruction but what could be done under the then circumstances while one of the guarantor power Greece was already in Cyprus and backing the coupists and other guarantor power UK didn't willing to intervene...

[Piratis]

YFred, partition was the dream of TCs since the 50s. What happened in 1974, the ethnic cleansing of GCs so they could steal our lands, twice as much than what they left behind, was their plan.

Ethnic cleansing is when you are forcefully removed from your homeland and this is what happened against us, not when the TCs moved north according to their own partition plan.

So get your facts straight.

[YFred]

Christ all mighty, the dreaded angloamericans forgot to spray the clouds over the last week and we have been drowned in rain water!

The Minister Polinikis heralds from the social nationalist party of EDEK and his name litterally means "many victories". Some commentators have been calling him Poliittas which litterally means "many defeats". Remember, initially he was sure we would get water from Lebanon, free of charge.

The point is they chose to oblige and also they terrified the TC's so much that they had no choice. It is a point of principle which the GC's love so much. There hands are not as clean as they pretend.

Every patriot is a "nationalist" according to Bananiot. According to him "non-nationalists" are the ones who surrender to the nationalism and imperialism of others.

Nationalism dear Bananiot is when you want your own nation to have gains on the expense of other nations, not when you defend the self-determination and human rights of your country.

Nationalism is what caused the troubles of 1963. Ethnic cleansing is what your government also colluded in gathering the TC's in the south and moving them up north some against there will.
You really need to remove those hellenic glasses off for a while. Its winter, no need for them.

Now now Fred , the Turkish army demanded that all T/Cs from the South should be moved to the North. They gave an ultimatum . The British to assist their transportation to the North or they would come and get them themselves.
I can see that You were not there at the time , those that were will concur with what I have just posted.

They didn't have to, ultimatum or no ultimatum. If the TA said send over 50,000 GC's would they have done it.
If they didn't terrify the TC's in the first place, would they have wanted to move north, I know people who refused and were forced to move out anyway.
Their hands are not clean as they pretend.

Fred I guess you are under 40 years old and that , unlike my self , you were not around in 1974 . The Turkish army DEMANDED , itdid not politely request. Why would they have requested G/Cs for crying out loud they had just expelled almost 200 thousand.
Are you aware that not one single T/C lost a life for some 6 years prior to the invasion , so where was all this killing taking place ?

Sorry, not convinced. I left Cyprus at 14 in 1972. Yes not many killings during that time period, but what about during the invasion. I have met people who lived it. To me, what they described was ethnic cleansing. That is not my point of view, that is what they said.
I accept that the point is hypothetical, however it is valid. Were they too ready to accept the ultimatum? Would they have done the same no matter what nationality? Were they not aware of the people who did not want to move to the north or anywhere else? If other TC's were not terrorised would they want to move?

It sounds to me as though, they found a good vehicle for a bit of disguised ethnic cleansing.

[Get Real!]

Nationalism is what caused the troubles of 1963.

Absolute rubbish! Here's a definition for "Nationalism"...

1. Devotion to the interests or culture of one's nation.

2. The belief that nations will benefit from acting independently rather than collectively, emphasizing national rather than international goals.

3. Aspirations for national independence in a country under foreign domination.

http://education.yahoo.com/reference/di ... ationalism

With the exception of Makarios and his supporters who fought for the preservation of the RoC, the rest were nothing but traitors fighting for another country.

Ethnic cleansing is what your government also colluded in gathering the TC's in the south and moving them up north some against there will.

Rubbish again! The ethnic cleansing was carried out by Turkey, first against the TCs via the TMT, and then on the GCs via the 74 invasion.

I see you don’t practice what you preach. Play with words when you think its to your advantage. Never mind about the meaning of the word my friend. See the environment it created.

As far as Makarios is concerned, the moment he stopped being a traitor, he was overthrown by his own traitor friends. How many years was he in power against his traitor friends?

Yes indeed how right you are. TMT went around terrifying the TC’s to leave their homes in 63. Pull the other one GR. The middle one has bells on it.

The middle one seems to be the only thing you’ve been practicing all these years…

[YFred]

Nationalism is what caused the troubles of 1963.

Absolute rubbish! Here's a definition for "Nationalism"...

1. Devotion to the interests or culture of one's nation.

2. The belief that nations will benefit from acting independently rather than collectively, emphasizing national rather than international goals.

3. Aspirations for national independence in a country under foreign domination.

http://education.yahoo.com/reference/di ... ationalism

With the exception of Makarios and his supporters who fought for the preservation of the RoC, the rest were nothing but traitors fighting for another country.

Ethnic cleansing is what your government also colluded in gathering the TC's in the south and moving them up north some against there will.

Rubbish again! The ethnic cleansing was carried out by Turkey, first against the TCs via the TMT, and then on the GCs via the 74 invasion.

I see you don’t practice what you preach. Play with words when you think its to your advantage. Never mind about the meaning of the word my friend. See the environment it created.

As far as Makarios is concerned, the moment he stopped being a traitor, he was overthrown by his own traitor friends. How many years was he in power against his traitor friends?

Yes indeed how right you are. TMT went around terrifying the TC’s to leave their homes in 63. Pull the other one GR. The middle one has bells on it.

The middle one seems to be the only thing you’ve been practicing all these years…

Come now, come now GR. That is an unfair accusation. There is more to love making than just practicing the middle one or are you an 8 second man?

[YFred]

Nationalism is what caused the troubles of 1963.

Absolute rubbish! Here's a definition for "Nationalism"...

1. Devotion to the interests or culture of one's nation.

2. The belief that nations will benefit from acting independently rather than collectively, emphasizing national rather than international goals.

3. Aspirations for national independence in a country under foreign domination.

http://education.yahoo.com/reference/di ... ationalism

With the exception of Makarios and his supporters who fought for the preservation of the RoC, the rest were nothing but traitors fighting for another country.

Ethnic cleansing is what your government also colluded in gathering the TC's in the south and moving them up north some against there will.

Rubbish again! The ethnic cleansing was carried out by Turkey, first against the TCs via the TMT, and then on the GCs via the 74 invasion.

Are you really suggesting that GC nationalists in the 50’s, 60’s and 70’s were within the confines of your description. If the answer to that is yes, than you are a bigger fool than I took you for, and if it is no, than you are a liar. Either way you don’t come out of this discussion very well do you, old boy. Back to debating school for you my hellenic friend.