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[Paphitis]

I take it back Paphitis. My apologies. Your parents did not instill a neo nationalist anti Turkish upbringing into you.

[Bananiot]

Grivas was dead, and so it is unknown as to how he would have reacted had he been alive. He may not have necessarily supported the coup, as both he and Makarios were political allies for a long time, even though this alliance had soured somewhat. Grivas also spent time in Greece resisting and undermining the Greek Junta itself.

Unbelievable, the man that tried to kill Makarios would not approve a coup against Makarios. This is as absurd as they come.

[Paphitis]

Let us keep everything in context. This current round of debate started with the circular sent by the Minister of Education to be read at all schools. The majority of the teachers reacted strongly and accused Demetriou of not knowing history. They claimed, taking the cue from the Association of EOKA fighters, that EOKA B' had nothing to do with the coup, since it was disbanded after the death of Grivas in January 1973. This is a big lie and we all know that EOKA members suddenly sprung up in large groups manning key posts as soon as the coup started. In fact the sychronisation of EOKA B' with the events of July 15 1974 was quite remarkable, for a group that did not exist!

The following is the personal story of Makarios Drousiotis which shows how quickly EOKA B' ressurected itself despite being "rendered toothless", according to Kifeas.

http://www.makarios.ws/cgibin/hweb?-A=662&-V=english

It is not a lie as EOKA B had been previously decimated by Makarios. EOKA B members did not participate in the execution of the Coup but had joined the coupist forces AFTER the coup had already removed Makarios from power.

[Bananiot]

Do you think the coup lasted only as long the Presidential palace lasted? This is absurd and I can only explain this as an effort to absolve EOKA B'. What about the other towns, Famagusta for example? Who led the coup there? do you really know anything about it?

[Paphitis]

Grivas was dead, and so it is unknown as to how he would have reacted had he been alive. He may not have necessarily supported the coup, as both he and Makarios were political allies for a long time, even though this alliance had soured somewhat. Grivas also spent time in Greece resisting and undermining the Greek Junta itself.

Unbelievable, the man that tried to kill Makarios would not approve a coup against Makarios. This is as absurd as they come.

The Greek Junta was planning a Coup as early as 1970, and there was an assassination attempt by pro Greek Juntist forces. Grivas played absolutely no role as he himself was opposed to the Greek Junta and had even tried to undermine (overthrow) it when he was in Athens.

Are you confusing Georgiadjis with Grivas?

[Oracle]

Grivas was dead, and so it is unknown as to how he would have reacted had he been alive. He may not have necessarily supported the coup, as both he and Makarios were political allies for a long time, even though this alliance had soured somewhat. Grivas also spent time in Greece resisting and undermining the Greek Junta itself.

Unbelievable, the man that tried to kill Makarios would not approve a coup against Makarios. This is as absurd as they come.

When did Grivas try to kill Makarios?

[Oracle]

... They claimed, taking the cue from the Association of EOKA fighters, that EOKA B' had nothing to do with the coup, since it was disbanded after the death of Grivas in January 1973....

Bananiot ... could you be a little less careless with historical dates (which matter more than your personal rubbish!).

[Bananiot]

The Grivas led EOKA B' organisation made 5 attempts on Makarios's life. By the end of 1973 Makarios had survived five plots against his life, ranging from attempts to blow him up as he drove past in his car to the shooting down of his helicopter, when he escaped from the wreckage untouched.

P.S. Grivas died on 27 january 1974. One must not forget the ecclesiastical coup against Makarios by spro-Grivas Gennadios, Bishop of Paphos.

[DT.]

The Grivas led EOKA B' organisation made 5 attempts on Makarios's life. By the end of 1973 Makarios had survived five plots against his life, ranging from attempts to blow him up as he drove past in his car to the shooting down of his helicopter, when he escaped from the wreckage untouched.

P.S. Grivas died on 27 january 1974. One must not forget the ecclesiastical coup against Makarios by spro-Grivas Gennadios, Bishop of Paphos.

With your feelings about Makarios Bananiot, I'm surprised you weren't involved in any of these assassination attempts.

[Bananiot]

I do not allow my feelings to cloud my judgement. Makarios made huge errors, but that is different. Here we are trying to explain to some unrependent coupists the role of EOKA B'. Soon they will be telling us that the criminal organisation fought on the side of Makarios against the coupists.