Viewpoint wrote:Does the size of the state matter when if desired the GCs may use the right to reside where ever they wish which could also be to flood the north state whether it be a state 20% or 37%.
Actually it does matter. It matters a great deal in fact. Lets look at what Skipper said.
Skipper wrote:You've obviously put a lot of effort into thinking this through some of the thinking seems very similar to the Annan plan. For example in the last plan around 50% of displached GCs (90,000) would be able to return home under the GC state (28.6% area for TC state) and GCs returning under the TC state would have a transitional 18% limit of the GC population (33,000 assuming TC state had a total population of 180,000 including GCs) also there where a number of villages (including all of the all GC villages in karpaz) which did not count in that 18% (as far as I recall) that would basically be autonomous from the state government in education, cuture, etc with the same provisions for certain TC villages in the GC state.
Basically what he said was, if only about 9% of the GC land was returned under AP, it would have taken care of 90,000 GC's (50% of all displaced GC's) to be able to return back to their homes and be part of the GC state leaving the TC's with 28.6%. The remaining 8.6% should be able to take care the remaining 50% displaced GC's (90,000) so that they too can be part of the GC state, even though it may well be a seperate parcel of land from the rest of the GC state. So, to use your numbers as to what effect would it have if we went from 37% down to 20%, the difference is, that you have all but secured all displaced GC's into a GC state and left the remaining 20% for most to the TC's. With agreed land swap of TC land in the south to GC land in the north that may well still be in the remaining 20%, you have all but reduced any reason as to why any of the 180,000 displaced GC's would want to stay in the 20% TC state. Of course, with freedom of movement, there will be some GC's in the TC state as there will be some TC's in the GC state, and so there should be, but their numbers will be very insignificant to make any political dent in the voting system of the Lower or the Upper House as well as for the local elections.
Viewpoint wrote:1. Stop trade with Turkey.
2. Ban Turkish workers.
3. Ban Casinos.
Non of the above can be protected by the Federal Constitution so lets look at them separately, because I don't even think any of them will effect the TC's anymore than the GC's.!
1. Stop trade with Turkey.
EU trades with Turkey, so why would Cyprus not, unless there is a diplomatic problems where trade is halted by both sides or other diplomatic problems in the area of potential oil fields or one does not recognize the other. Countries do not halt trade with each other just because the other side happens to be Turks. If it were to happen, just look how much loss the GC state would incur just by not being able to use Cypriot Flag ships to deliver goods to Turkey not just from Cyprus but also from other nations. Again, this can only be a factor if the TC state lost any of their 5 seats to a GC. Just as a practical matter, I do not see any changes to the Upper and Lower House seats to change for either state for a very long time, if any, and if it should change, it will change for the better, because the whole system will be run on political ideology and not what the ethnicity of the person holding those seats. This is how and the reason why Barack Obama will be sworn as the 44th President of the United States today, because the American political system operates only on political ideology and not ethnicity. The same will happen in Cyprus.
2. Ban Turkish workers.
That would be a Racist bill just for starters. All workers from foreign countries will be given permits to stay and work, and once their permits have expired, they will either be renewed if they are needed, or they will be told to leave because there is no work for them. All workers from foreign nations will have quotas, so when some workers who are told to leave, they will include workers from all nations and not only Turks, Greeks, Japanese and so on, to be expected to leave. I don't see this as an issue. But how can you control if a TC in the Upper House does not like Turks and votes with the other 5 GC's to ban Turkish workers. Don't be so sure that the 5 TC's in the Upper House will always tow the ethnic line and not their political ideology, because they may feel like, that these jobs should first go to Cypriots, then offer to bring Cypriots from abroad to take these jobs, then to offer these jobs to EU member countries, and then, if anything is left behind, to be offered to other foreign workers. Therefore i do not see the above being an issue that will effect the TC's at all if there were no Turkish workers in Cyprus before the other above mentioned conditions were exhausted.
3. Ban Casinos.
This is entirely a state matter and the Federal government will not get involved in, as long as Federal Laws are not broken and money is not being laundered through these establishments or that there is racketeering that will go on, like mafia for example. Same with the Whorehouses. Totally a state affair, as long as Federal Laws are not broken on trafficking women and underage girls to work in these establishments. States can decide to have what ever they want, as long as the local citizens from each state accepted and voted for them, the Feds will not care as long as their laws are not broken. Besides, most of the business will come from the GC state, therefore it will effect them just as much the TC's, if not more.!
