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[GreekIslandGirl]

You give very inflated figures for the number of GCs owning land in the North - forgetting that many have accepted a financial settlement in return for giving up the rights to their land (more would probably do so in future).

No one has given up the rights to their land no matter how much you wish it so. They are being compensated for the time they are prevented from using their property (rent arrears). But the property remains the right of the original owners.

You cannot buy up or sell a country. The WHOLE of Cyprus is RoC and will remain so no matter how many are compensated for the loss of their use by Turkey.

[supporttheunderdog]

You give very inflated figures for the number of GCs owning land in the North - forgetting that many have accepted a financial settlement in return for giving up the rights to their land (more would probably do so in future).

No one has given up the rights to their land no matter how much you wish it so. They are being compensated for the time they are prevented from using their property (rent arrears). But the property remains the right of the original owners.

You cannot buy up or sell a country. The WHOLE of Cyprus is RoC and will remain so no matter how many are compensated for the loss of their use by Turkey.

Those who apply to the IPC do give up their land as the beloved ECJ recognises it as a lawful court with authority to do so.

[repulsewarrior]

Kikapu, kindly, would you give us a synopsis of your plan, at this point it would be refreshing.

[Kikapu]

Kikapu! What a load of rubbish you have produced again.

Of course as a GC (I do not understand why some still think you are a TC) you have produced a one sided representation of things, based on current American states and went on to changing things based on ethnicity rather than political differences blah blah! Who told you that there were/are no ethnic differences between the occupants of the federal states in USA? Are you saying California, Texas, Florida and Arizona has the same kind of ethnic population as Idaho, Montana, Dakota and New Jersey?

You give very inflated figures for the number of GCs owning land in the North - forgetting that many have accepted a financial settlement in return for giving up the rights to their land (more would probably do so in future). Meanwhile you have dwindled down the population of TCs to 80,000 assuming that there would have been no growth in their numbers since 1974. The actual TCs living in North are 180,000 at this time (probably another 200-250,000 mainlanders settled both as new citizens and/or illegal immigrants).

So, the Greeks should get their land back in the North, but my land included in the land left behind by some 35-40,000 TCs displaced from their homes and villages in the South should not count! How about us returning back to our land? And how will the land be returned to us when past Governments in the South have constructed, government buildings, car parks whatever on to some of those lands? MOST OF THE VILLAGES AND LAND BETWEEN LİMASOL AND PAPHOS were ACTUALLY OWNED BY the TCs!

You live in a fantasy world and I wish you would stop corrupting GC minds with your useless comical plans. Do you really believe that the TRNC will ever accept a solution where it will allow itself to be parceled into small cantons just like the enclaves before 1974? Do you really believe Karpaz will ever be returned to GCs? That has just as much chance as Istanbul becoming Constantinople again! Erdoğan has been supporting Turkish businessmen invest hundreds of millions of pounds in purchasing land and developing 5 star Hotels in Karpaz area, based on the strength of land purchased form the Greeks over the past couple of years. If you think he has been having these constructed for the GCs to take over when (if) Karpaz is returned, you better think again!

Let me tell you what I think will happen in a more likely scenario. GCs will settle for the return of Varosha and allow the use of Turkish airspace / ports by the GCs who desperately need both to improve their economy - this will be in return for lifting the trade embargo on Famagusta and alllowing direct flights to Ercan. Something I expect very likely to happen sometime by the end of this year or the beginning of next.

TCs are no longer interested in the Annan plan! Turkish army will start reducing their numbers and possibly leave a mutually agreed symbolic force (2-3000 men) only when a settlement is agreed to by both sides. All land occupied by the army along the borders will be returned to GCs. Many TC settlers especially those given citizenship over the past 7-8 years will be stripped of those rights and sent back to where they came from. The two sides will negotiate a Federal Solution that is most suitable for the de-facto situation until both sides are ready to live together in a single republic. The rest of the GCs who may have any land left behind will get financial compensation and that will also apply to land left behind on the Greek side by the TCs. Whether you like it or not, there will be no major border changes or displacement of people involved in any agreement!

There is not much point in Kikapu or anyone else screaming that the above is unacceptable because they will not have a say on the subject! You will be surprised just how many GCs will dive at the opportunity of a financial compensation when the time comes - what they say will count - not those of any fantasy solution producers in a forum! Why don't my GC comrades go ask the GCs who left land in the North whether they will take few hundred thousand Euros (actual value depending on size of property) for their land or property left behind 40 years ago with no real sign of a solution in sight!

I'm going to have fun with this one when I get some free time to respond.

[Kikapu]

Kikapu, kindly, would you give us a synopsis of your plan, at this point it would be refreshing.

Warrior, my first post in this tread says it all really. I don't think I can add much more to it, except to say, if there won't be a Rotating Presidency on the table any longer offered by the GCs in future negotiations, and I don't think there will be, then the built in "veto vote" will no longer be available to the TCs or the GCs had this plan (or something similar) was negotiated on. The built in "veto vote" would have been far more beneficial to the TCs than the GCs. Oh well, Que Sera, Sera!

[Oceanside50]

RW its basically the American system...Greek cups are feeling emboldened by the oil and the turmoil in Turkey...they'll never accept a Bbf...they will accept a unitary state with all settlers and troops out...

[repulsewarrior]

...all it takes is one good idea from an idiot in power, and things change. i know one thing for sure, things cannot stay the same forever.

frankly, if Cyprus is not a great social experiment, then it should be a Unitary State. however, if "Greeks" are Greeks, Greek should be better than this. Charity is our nature, so too Grace, we learn, adapt, and communicate, Freely. the changes we made for ourselves, as "Greeks", are emulated because they are a benefit to all. as a Greek i fight the Ignorance which shames me as a Person, but i fight Ignorance, for Humanity. being Cypriot, means this fight is my Humility.

as Cypriots we owe all Mankind for our own country, a debt of gratitude. as Cypriots we have the chance to demonstrate a way forward, for them, through Tolerance, (by ending the Intolerance), new thinking, our loving an enlightenment despite our lives of subjugation now thousands of years; as Citizens of this planet, far better.

it is not that the world should think of the Greeks, but that a Greek should think of the world; you guys are Greek, vp is a "Greek", or no better, being as he is.

@ vp, take heart friend, without you there would be no need for my(this) passion, thank-you; it only makes me stronger. and one day...