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[Piratis]

I knew I remembered something like this. Rebecca Bryant noted:

It is possible, in fact, that Cypriot Greek would have been considered diffferent enough from dhimotiki in the nineteenth century for it to have been classified a separate language, perhaps comparable to the differences between Spanish and Portuguese. With the spread of education and electronic media, Cypriot Greek has been modified so that it is now (relatively unambiguously) classified as a dialect.

That note (on page 276) is attached to the line (on page 34) that 'the Cypriot form of Greek was so different as to seem incomprehensible even to dhimotiki speakers'.

Just like cockney is totally incomprehensible to me, since I only understand "standard English". The same can be said for differences between Athenian and Cretans dialects. If somebody is exposed to one and only dialect and accent of a language, then he will find it difficult to fully understand a different dialect and accent. This doesn't mean that one dialect of Greek is "more Greek" than other. If anything, the Cypriot dialect retains more from the Ancient Greek than the Athenian Greek does.

[Tim Drayton]

Guys I don't see many links being posted

I don't mean to be a ball breaker but I asked for unbiased links not arguing.

Please help a Brit who wants to learn something and you are the most qualified people to help I think Or maybe not??

The problem is, the best site there is, cyprus-conflict.net, is having a little episode, so you can't read that very easily/well. You can still see at least some of it via web.archive.org - try http://web.archive.org/web/*/cyprus-conflict.net... You could try the Guardian and Times' websites. Some of their more wide-ranging stories can give a good feeling for certain aspects of the problem(s).

I was going to recommend www.cyprus-conflict.net myself as a reasonable unbiased introduction to the Cyprus problem, but found the site was down when I tried to access it.

[doesntmatter]

I knew I remembered something like this. Rebecca Bryant noted:

It is possible, in fact, that Cypriot Greek would have been considered diffferent enough from dhimotiki in the nineteenth century for it to have been classified a separate language, perhaps comparable to the differences between Spanish and Portuguese. With the spread of education and electronic media, Cypriot Greek has been modified so that it is now (relatively unambiguously) classified as a dialect.

That note (on page 276) is attached to the line (on page 34) that 'the Cypriot form of Greek was so different as to seem incomprehensible even to dhimotiki speakers'.

Just like cockney is totally incomprehensible to me, since I only understand "standard English". The same can be said for differences between Athenian and Cretans dialects. If somebody is exposed to one and only dialect and accent of a language, then he will find it difficult to fully understand a different dialect and accent. This doesn't mean that one dialect of Greek is "more Greek" than other. If anything, the Cypriot dialect retains more from the Ancient Greek than the Athenian Greek does.

As a Moderator is it not your job to seperate the conversation about the histoyr and differences in "Greek" and "Cypriot Greek" language to another thread instead of hijacking this thread?

[paliometoxo]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_invasion_of_Cyprus

that site is very good for what you are looking for i think it does not blame tc or gc and says just the facts the truth it also has much other information on cyprus and its history
hope it helps

[paliometoxo]

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.h ... 8383669FDE from the new york times

[samarkeolog]

samarkeolog, is finding the truth your aim, or you have another aim which you are trying to support?

I wish I knew what this other aim might be, and why I might support it.

[samarkeolog]

I have never before ventured into this part of the forum before, as the Cyprus problem is for Cypriots IMHO

Could any of you give me a link to UNBIASED opinions on how the UK was involved in your trouble?

I really do mean unbiased as I don't want to spend time reading propaganda.

Some may think this is a strange request, but I would just like to find out how my homeland was involved, as Cyprus is now my home and has been for the last four years.


TIA

Perry Anderson wrote a good review of the development of the disaster, although he does call it a Greek island, which it isn't; like the language, it's Cypriot.

Hello, Samarkeolog.
Thx for the link. I liked the way Perry Anderson put forward the events and the facts in correlation to other events occuring in some other places of Earth. Just learned that the strong leftist notion of GC left has a perfect correlation with the then leftist movement in Greece. Thx a lot. Do u have the links of any other sources regarding Cyprus problem?

Cheers

Nationalists from any of the relevant communities might not agree with me, but Makarios Droushiotis is great. Still, he hasn't actually said as much about Britain's role; he seems to have said more about the U.S., the U.S.-backed Greek and Turkish deep states, and the U.S. and Greek and Turkish deep state-backed local nationalist deep states.

Actually, the BBC did a good programme on some of the dirty stuff we did during the conflict (although I tried to listen again recently and I couldn't). There is a description of it and a BBC article derived from it (and there's a transcript of a CyBC programme inspired by it).

[Piratis]

samarkeolog, is finding the truth your aim, or you have another aim which you are trying to support?

I wish I knew what this other aim might be, and why I might support it.

I don't know that is why I asked. If you are not directly related to Cyprus and you can be independent, and if you care to research history (and it seems you are) then the only thing that could possibly stop you from coming close to the truth is if you have some preconceived notions about Cyprus.

This is what I mean by "another aim". Preconceived notions where you accept the stuff that fit and reject the ones that don't, (regardless of the supporting evidence) trying to come to a conclusion that you already had even before you began researching.

[Viewpoint]

samarkeolog, is finding the truth your aim, or you have another aim which you are trying to support?

I wish I knew what this other aim might be, and why I might support it.

I don't know that is why I asked. If you are not directly related to Cyprus and you can be independent, and if you care to research history (and it seems you are) then the only thing that could possibly stop you from coming close to the truth is if you have some preconceived notions about Cyprus.

This is what I mean by "another aim". Preconceived notions where you accept the stuff that fit and reject the ones that don't, (regardless of the supporting evidence) trying to come to a conclusion that you already had even before you began researching.

How do you know what you spout out is the gospel truth?

[samarkeolog]

I have never before ventured into this part of the forum before, as the Cyprus problem is for Cypriots IMHO

Could any of you give me a link to UNBIASED opinions on how the UK was involved in your trouble?

I really do mean unbiased as I don't want to spend time reading propaganda.

Some may think this is a strange request, but I would just like to find out how my homeland was involved, as Cyprus is now my home and has been for the last four years.


TIA

Perry Anderson wrote a good review of the development of the disaster, although he does call it a Greek island, which it isn't; like the language, it's Cypriot.

Hello, Samarkeolog.
Thx for the link. I liked the way Perry Anderson put forward the events and the facts in correlation to other events occuring in some other places of Earth. Just learned that the strong leftist notion of GC left has a perfect correlation with the then leftist movement in Greece. Thx a lot. Do u have the links of any other sources regarding Cyprus problem?

Cheers

Nationalists from any of the relevant communities might not agree with me, but Makarios Droushiotis is great. Still, he hasn't actually said as much about Britain's role; he seems to have said more about the U.S., the U.S.-backed Greek and Turkish deep states, and the U.S. and Greek and Turkish deep state-backed local nationalist deep states.

Actually, the BBC did a good programme on some of the dirty stuff we did during the conflict (although I tried to listen again recently and I couldn't). There is a description of it and a BBC article derived from it (and there's a transcript of a CyBC programme inspired by it).

And I presume we did similar/exactly the same things in Cyprus that we did in Northern Ireland, which has been better exposed. So, you could look at British complicity/collusion in crimes in Northern Ireland and assume we were just as bad in Cyprus. I wrote a little note that linked to a couple of stories about British crimes in Northern Ireland.