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[Piratis]

Dektash himself admits that the TCs joined the British because they were against EOKA. So don't tell me they joined the British to "prevent theft"

Yes, the British employed mostly Turkish Cypriots, not Greek Cypriots, in the auxiliary police, but only because EOKA created 'a hell of terrorism for liberty', which prevented effective policing with Greek Cypriot staff.

Still, there were Greek Cypriot police and Turkish Cypriot police, and the Greek Cypriot police were killed by EOKA the same as the Turkish Cypriot police. And you're assuming that every single Turkish Cypriot police officer killed by EOKA was an auxiliary police officer who had joined the auxiliary police to fight EOKA.

But some of them were in the normal police, and some of them would have been in the police since before EOKA was even created! They didn't join the auxiliary police to fight EOKA. They joined the normal police, yes, to prevent theft and murder, or just to earn money to support their family; but not to fight EOKA. They didn't deserve to die.

And the Greek Cypriot police killed by EOKA, again, Greek Cypriots in the normal police, Greek Cypriots who had joined the normal police to prevent crime or to feed their families, they didn't deserve to die, either.

Who created a "hell of a terrorism" were the British colonialists who insisted on imposing their rule using terror over the Cypriot people, instead of packing up and leaving form our island as we demanded.

You should explain that to the Greek Cypriot brother of the Greek Cypriot victim of EOKA whom I was quoting, then.

By the way "Mr. Communist anti-Imperialist" what do you have to say about the Vietcong? I am sure the communist guerrilla fighters contacted their struggle in a perfect way, unlike EOKA, right?

Ha! You're hilarious. Are you related to Oracle? I'm not a Communist. I'm a democratic socialist. And I don't approve of murder, of anyone, by anyone. Is there a simpler way of saying this?

But you approve the imperialists oppression which makes an armed revolution necessary? Give to Cyprus its freedom and self-determination and then there would be no conflicts and no casualties. Is there a simpler way of saying this?

[samarkeolog]

As for the claim that 'Neither the majority of Cypriots nor EOKA wanted any refugees, burned villages or anything else you falsely accuse them', it is a documented fact that there were refugees driven out of villages by ethnic violence and that many villages were burned. I repeat. I do not blame the majority of Cypriots. I blame the minority of violent nationalist extremists. You're the one who says the majority wanted them to do what they did.

That was only AFTER TCs collaborated with the British and attacked us in order to be later granted gains on our expense and not during the 1955-59 EOKA Struggle.

I referred to villages burned in 1958. In which calendar is 1958 not between 1955 and 1959?

I can't be bothered any more. I'd rather watch a bad football match on the telly.

[Piratis]

I accept the right of self-determination. But if you demand self-determination for Greek Cypriots, you demand it for Turkish Cypriots too. You cannot say that one people deserves self-determination but another doesn't.

TCs are a minority remnant of a foreign ruler. Are you going to tell me that the whites of South Africa also have a right for separate self-determination? Do you also approve Apartheid? Slowly slowly you are dropping the mask and revealing your true self.

Wow. Just, wow. Amazing. You've recreated the weak, poor, Turkish Cypriot community as an all-powerful colonial settler state under which the Greek Cypriots lived as grotesquely abused subjects. Amazing. Just in case my jaw being on the floor isn't enough, I'll state the obvious: I don't approve of Apartheid.

This is just absurd. I'm not going to humour you any more.

And how do you think the TC minority created in Cyprus? The Cypriot people had suffered greatly under Ottoman rule from 1571 until 1878, with the Muslims paying only half the taxes than we did, and with Greek Cypriots being treated as second category people.

Then merely 80 years after their rule ended, they again collaborated with the new rulers of Cyprus (British) in order to again deny the freedom and self-determination to the Cypriot people.

1821 Turks massacre Cypriots for wanting their freedom:

During the Greek War of Independence in 1821, the Ottoman authorities feared that Greek Cypriots would rebel again. Archbishop Kyprianos, a powerful leader who worked to improve the education of Greek Cypriot children, was accused of plotting against the government. Kyprianos, his bishops, and hundreds of priests and important laymen were arrested and summarily hanged or decapitated on July 9, 1821.

1958, Turks collaborate with the British in order to again deny to the Cypriot people their freedom:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15iDy2h8qEA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pT4EpCV2ysk

And what did the Cypriot people ever wanted: Their freedom and self-determination. Then one representative of one oppressor (British) comes here to support the other oppressors (Turks) and blame the Cypriots for wanting and fighting for their freedom and self-determination!!


All you and the Turks have to ever accept is one thing: Freedom and self-determination for Cyprus. And your minorities on our island will get what our minorities get in your countries, not more, not less.

[Piratis]

As for the claim that 'Neither the majority of Cypriots nor EOKA wanted any refugees, burned villages or anything else you falsely accuse them', it is a documented fact that there were refugees driven out of villages by ethnic violence and that many villages were burned. I repeat. I do not blame the majority of Cypriots. I blame the minority of violent nationalist extremists. You're the one who says the majority wanted them to do what they did.

That was only AFTER TCs collaborated with the British and attacked us in order to be later granted gains on our expense and not during the 1955-59 EOKA Struggle.

I referred to villages burned in 1958. In which calendar is 1958 not between 1955 and 1959?

I can't be bothered any more. I'd rather watch a bad football match on the telly.

And that was after the TC attacks against us on 7th and 12th of July, yes or no?

[insan]

Insan

Thank you very much for the links they make very intersting reading.

I am now leaving this alien (to me) part of the forum and leave you to get on with you to get on with your arguing

Your welcome dear.

[denizaksulu]

As for the claim that 'Neither the majority of Cypriots nor EOKA wanted any refugees, burned villages or anything else you falsely accuse them', it is a documented fact that there were refugees driven out of villages by ethnic violence and that many villages were burned. I repeat. I do not blame the majority of Cypriots. I blame the minority of violent nationalist extremists. You're the one who says the majority wanted them to do what they did.

That was only AFTER TCs collaborated with the British and attacked us in order to be later granted gains on our expense and not during the 1955-59 EOKA Struggle.

I referred to villages burned in 1958. In which calendar is 1958 not between 1955 and 1959?

I can't be bothered any more. I'd rather watch a bad football match on the telly.

Dont worry about Piratis, Samarkeolog. With all the great resources Piratis at hand he knows more than anyone else how the Native Cypriots fared better under t Ottoman Administration. Under the Latins they were mere serfs with no rights , even to their own lives. Their church was subdued and their life was utter misery. With the arrival of the Ottomans all this changed. Their church became the richest land owners in Cyprus, their chutchmen became eventually the tax collectors. One has to ask how how the church got so rich. Piratis knows all of this, but he will play his own trumpet.

[Sotos]

As for the claim that 'Neither the majority of Cypriots nor EOKA wanted any refugees, burned villages or anything else you falsely accuse them', it is a documented fact that there were refugees driven out of villages by ethnic violence and that many villages were burned. I repeat. I do not blame the majority of Cypriots. I blame the minority of violent nationalist extremists. You're the one who says the majority wanted them to do what they did.

That was only AFTER TCs collaborated with the British and attacked us in order to be later granted gains on our expense and not during the 1955-59 EOKA Struggle.

I referred to villages burned in 1958. In which calendar is 1958 not between 1955 and 1959?

I can't be bothered any more. I'd rather watch a bad football match on the telly.

Dont worry about Piratis, Samarkeolog. With all the great resources Piratis at hand he knows more than anyone else how the Native Cypriots fared better under t Ottoman Administration. Under the Latins they were mere serfs with no rights , even to their own lives. Their church was subdued and their life was utter misery. With the arrival of the Ottomans all this changed. Their church became the richest land owners in Cyprus, their chutchmen became eventually the tax collectors. One has to ask how how the church got so rich. Piratis knows all of this, but he will play his own trumpet.

so you had better tax collectors to suck our blood easier?

[Oracle]

As for the claim that 'Neither the majority of Cypriots nor EOKA wanted any refugees, burned villages or anything else you falsely accuse them', it is a documented fact that there were refugees driven out of villages by ethnic violence and that many villages were burned. I repeat. I do not blame the majority of Cypriots. I blame the minority of violent nationalist extremists. You're the one who says the majority wanted them to do what they did.

That was only AFTER TCs collaborated with the British and attacked us in order to be later granted gains on our expense and not during the 1955-59 EOKA Struggle.

I referred to villages burned in 1958. In which calendar is 1958 not between 1955 and 1959?

I can't be bothered any more. I'd rather watch a bad football match on the telly.

Dont worry about Piratis, Samarkeolog. With all the great resources Piratis at hand he knows more than anyone else how the Native Cypriots fared better under t Ottoman Administration. Under the Latins they were mere serfs with no rights , even to their own lives. Their church was subdued and their life was utter misery. With the arrival of the Ottomans all this changed. Their church became the richest land owners in Cyprus, their chutchmen became eventually the tax collectors. One has to ask how how the church got so rich. Piratis knows all of this, but he will play his own trumpet.

so you had better tax collectors to suck our blood easier?

And if our priests didn't do as the Ottomans said ... they would be decapitated!

Forcing us against our will, and silencing us with the terrors of their slaughters (flaying alive etc), must be something they would never do ....

[denizaksulu]

As for the claim that 'Neither the majority of Cypriots nor EOKA wanted any refugees, burned villages or anything else you falsely accuse them', it is a documented fact that there were refugees driven out of villages by ethnic violence and that many villages were burned. I repeat. I do not blame the majority of Cypriots. I blame the minority of violent nationalist extremists. You're the one who says the majority wanted them to do what they did.

That was only AFTER TCs collaborated with the British and attacked us in order to be later granted gains on our expense and not during the 1955-59 EOKA Struggle.

I referred to villages burned in 1958. In which calendar is 1958 not between 1955 and 1959?

I can't be bothered any more. I'd rather watch a bad football match on the telly.

Dont worry about Piratis, Samarkeolog. With all the great resources Piratis at hand he knows more than anyone else how the Native Cypriots fared better under t Ottoman Administration. Under the Latins they were mere serfs with no rights , even to their own lives. Their church was subdued and their life was utter misery. With the arrival of the Ottomans all this changed. Their church became the richest land owners in Cyprus, their chutchmen became eventually the tax collectors. One has to ask how how the church got so rich. Piratis knows all of this, but he will play his own trumpet.

so you had better tax collectors to suck our blood easier?

Were they corrupt? You better answer that yourself. It was in their hands.

[denizaksulu]

As for the claim that 'Neither the majority of Cypriots nor EOKA wanted any refugees, burned villages or anything else you falsely accuse them', it is a documented fact that there were refugees driven out of villages by ethnic violence and that many villages were burned. I repeat. I do not blame the majority of Cypriots. I blame the minority of violent nationalist extremists. You're the one who says the majority wanted them to do what they did.

That was only AFTER TCs collaborated with the British and attacked us in order to be later granted gains on our expense and not during the 1955-59 EOKA Struggle.

I referred to villages burned in 1958. In which calendar is 1958 not between 1955 and 1959?

I can't be bothered any more. I'd rather watch a bad football match on the telly.

Dont worry about Piratis, Samarkeolog. With all the great resources Piratis at hand he knows more than anyone else how the Native Cypriots fared better under t Ottoman Administration. Under the Latins they were mere serfs with no rights , even to their own lives. Their church was subdued and their life was utter misery. With the arrival of the Ottomans all this changed. Their church became the richest land owners in Cyprus, their chutchmen became eventually the tax collectors. One has to ask how how the church got so rich. Piratis knows all of this, but he will play his own trumpet.

so you had better tax collectors to suck our blood easier?

And if our priests didn't do as the Ottomans said ... they would be decapitated!

Forcing us against our will, and silencing us with the terrors of their slaughters (flaying alive etc), must be something they would never do ....

Oracle my dear.

It was customary to reward treason with execution. The afore menioned priests were supplying the Greek revolution in 1821 with men, arms and food. This was seen by the administration as being treasonous. Did you expect them (the priests to get a pat on the back? That was how it was done those days. People in the west have done that quite recently too. What else can I say.