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[insan]

Turks do not talk negatively about Turkey. And neither do you!

Good morning dear. U just ask; we can talk negatively regarding the negative sides of Turkey as long as u and some others promise, won't abuse it for any purpose.

Cheers, have a nice day.

Ps: i am preparing to go home and sleep.

[Oracle]

Good morning and sweet dreams!

I have a rather busy day ahead, so just to quickly say, I have taken note of my being taken to task by Turks again. I am glad you all feel free to tell me what you think, without fear nor hindrance to honesty.

This, out of context, criticism was referring to samarkeolog, who is preparing an academic evaluation of Turks, Greeks and their associates

Its purpose was to point out he appears to come from a Turkish-championing position, since a lot of what he presents is highly critical, and (perchance or design?) chosen to be so, of the Greek/GC flanks.

If you want to put it into a more general category, I guess we can look at:

How the Turkish "Government" silences negative opinions of Turkishness ....

[zan]

Then please discuss how the Greek government silences positive opinions of Turkishness with a highly paid agent in Oracle....From Greece!!!!

[paliometoxo]

please explain how turkish goverment silences any turk by murder who has anything to say that the turks dont want to hear

[Tim Drayton]

Turkey attained the status of a nation state at a very late historical stage, at a time when nationalism was ceasing to be a progressive ideology of liberation and was being harnessed by the forces of totalitarian . This has left the Turkish state with the legacy of being based on an outdated, extreme form of nationalism which many outsiders find rather distasteful.

[Bananiot]

Are you saying, Tim, that the way things evolved in Turkey has nothing to do with an inherent Turkish distaste of the democratic process? Are you trying to explain that there is nothing supernatural here and that events in modern Turkey do not have an objective but rather we should look at a "mechanism" as described in the theory of evolution perhaps, with a pinch of Marx to begin to understand the historical and social phenomena along with a little bit of Freud, perhaps, to explain human behaviour that is brought about by influences that are not under the direct control of the person?

[Piratis]

Are you saying, Tim, that the way things evolved in Turkey has nothing to do with an inherent Turkish distaste of the democratic process? Are you trying to explain that there is nothing supernatural here and that events in modern Turkey do not have an objective but rather we should look at a "mechanism" as described in the theory of evolution perhaps, with a pinch of Marx to begin to understand the historical and social phenomena along with a little bit of Freud, perhaps, to explain human behaviour that is brought about by influences that are not under the direct control of the person?

Yes, lets use psychology, sociology, a pinch of Marx and a bit of Freud to excuse everything the Turks have done and continue doing, which includes genocides of millions and ethnic cleanings of 100s of thousands of people.

At the same time lets put no effort at all, not even common sense, to understand why the Cypriots wanted to be free from foreign rulers and be given their self-determination so they could democratically decide the destiny of their own island.

[Tim Drayton]

Are you saying, Tim, that the way things evolved in Turkey has nothing to do with an inherent Turkish distaste of the democratic process? Are you trying to explain that there is nothing supernatural here and that events in modern Turkey do not have an objective but rather we should look at a "mechanism" as described in the theory of evolution perhaps, with a pinch of Marx to begin to understand the historical and social phenomena along with a little bit of Freud, perhaps, to explain human behaviour that is brought about by influences that are not under the direct control of the person?

Perhaps. I am getting away from the computer now until Monday, and you ask very deep questions. Let's just say that many foreigners who live in Turkey find the degree and nature of Turkish nationalism that they encounter to be a little crude and extreme. However, I think there are historical reasons which account for this, in particular the very late arrival of a Turkish national consciousness on the scene.

[Piratis]

Are you saying, Tim, that the way things evolved in Turkey has nothing to do with an inherent Turkish distaste of the democratic process? Are you trying to explain that there is nothing supernatural here and that events in modern Turkey do not have an objective but rather we should look at a "mechanism" as described in the theory of evolution perhaps, with a pinch of Marx to begin to understand the historical and social phenomena along with a little bit of Freud, perhaps, to explain human behaviour that is brought about by influences that are not under the direct control of the person?

Perhaps. I am getting away from the computer now until Monday, and you ask very deep questions. Let's just say that many foreigners who live in Turkey find the degree and nature of Turkish nationalism that they encounter to be a little crude and extreme. However, I think there are historical reasons which account for this, in particular the very late arrival of a Turkish national consciousness on the scene.

That is because they tried to force every Muslim of Asia Minor to accept the Turkish identity. They were quite successful but not fully, since there are still some "Mountain Turks" who insist that they are not Turks.

[Oracle]

Are you saying, Tim, that the way things evolved in Turkey has nothing to do with an inherent Turkish distaste of the democratic process? Are you trying to explain that there is nothing supernatural here and that events in modern Turkey do not have an objective but rather we should look at a "mechanism" as described in the theory of evolution perhaps, with a pinch of Marx to begin to understand the historical and social phenomena along with a little bit of Freud, perhaps, to explain human behaviour that is brought about by influences that are not under the direct control of the person?

What is the evolutionary significance, and psychological behaviour, that drives the herd mentality to worshipping a long dead "Alpha" male, instead of seeking to appoint a new one?