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[Piratis]

You can never carve new paths with arteriosclerotics insan. We can keep trying but there can be no real progress. What is most important is to stand up and be counted and never allow the bigots to ruin our lives again.

Bananiot, if you want your human and democratic rights you become a "bigot"? Since when? The problem is not with the Cypriot people wanting their rights, opposing the Turkish and British imperialism. The problem is with some "good slaves" like you, who are content to give up their human and democratic rights in order for your masters to award you the "best slave" award.

You are totally unable to debate with me. I give facts, you just throw slogans and insults against anybody that doesn't follow your line.

[Piratis]

Let's get back to the topic now. So u read the scientific report of Papadakis and got nothing to agree with him regarding GC history books? Even any slight changes not necessary? Hope u can find some and give us some examples here on this thread.

I don't remember every phrase in the books to confirm or disprove what Papadakis quotes. What I remember is that in general the whole history of Cyprus is taught.

Papadakis is not making any attempt to describe the real historical facts. He is just saying how the books present the "other" side.

So if we present the Ottoman rule negatively, Papadakis points this out. The question is: Should we change our books and present the Ottoman rule in a positive way just so we would appease the TCs?

Personally I don't agree with this method. History books should be improved, and there is no doubt that many improvements can be made, but the aim should be historical accuracy not just making them more likable by certain groups of people.

So I don't disagree that there is place for improvement, but I disagree on what the aim of those improvements should be. The aim should be historical accuracy and completeness, and not to make the Turks look good.

[halil]

Full versiones of the TC'S history books can be read from below links.

It is in Turkish ..... None Turkish speakers might get some informations from pictures of the books.



http://www.mebnet.net/Kitaplar/Books/Tarih3U1.pdf
http://www.mebnet.net/Kitaplar/Books/Tarih2U1.pdf
http://www.mebnet.net/Kitaplar/Books/Tarih1U1.pdf

[lovernomore]

Let's get back to the topic now. So u read the scientific report of Papadakis and got nothing to agree with him regarding GC history books? Even any slight changes not necessary? Hope u can find some and give us some examples here on this thread.

I don't remember every phrase in the books to confirm or disprove what Papadakis quotes. What I remember is that in general the whole history of Cyprus is taught.

Papadakis is not making any attempt to describe the real historical facts. He is just saying how the books present the "other" side.

So if we present the Ottoman rule negatively, Papadakis points this out. The question is: Should we change our books and present the Ottoman rule in a positive way just so we would appease the TCs?

Personally I don't agree with this method. History books should be improved, and there is no doubt that many improvements can be made, but the aim should be historical accuracy not just making them more likable by certain groups of people.

So I don't disagree that there is place for improvement, but I disagree on what the aim of those improvements should be. The aim should be historical accuracy and completeness, and not to make the Turks look good.

You blody lier. I see tshirts with a good turk is a dead turk. So they are not all bad

[CBBB]

Let's get back to the topic now. So u read the scientific report of Papadakis and got nothing to agree with him regarding GC history books? Even any slight changes not necessary? Hope u can find some and give us some examples here on this thread.

I don't remember every phrase in the books to confirm or disprove what Papadakis quotes. What I remember is that in general the whole history of Cyprus is taught.

Papadakis is not making any attempt to describe the real historical facts. He is just saying how the books present the "other" side.

So if we present the Ottoman rule negatively, Papadakis points this out. The question is: Should we change our books and present the Ottoman rule in a positive way just so we would appease the TCs?

Personally I don't agree with this method. History books should be improved, and there is no doubt that many improvements can be made, but the aim should be historical accuracy not just making them more likable by certain groups of people.

So I don't disagree that there is place for improvement, but I disagree on what the aim of those improvements should be. The aim should be historical accuracy and completeness, and not to make the Turks look good.

You blody lier. I see tshirts with a good turk is a dead turk. So they are not all bad

Can you buy them on the internet?

No, seriously, I have never seen one like that.

[lovernomore]

Let's get back to the topic now. So u read the scientific report of Papadakis and got nothing to agree with him regarding GC history books? Even any slight changes not necessary? Hope u can find some and give us some examples here on this thread.

I don't remember every phrase in the books to confirm or disprove what Papadakis quotes. What I remember is that in general the whole history of Cyprus is taught.

Papadakis is not making any attempt to describe the real historical facts. He is just saying how the books present the "other" side.

So if we present the Ottoman rule negatively, Papadakis points this out. The question is: Should we change our books and present the Ottoman rule in a positive way just so we would appease the TCs?

Personally I don't agree with this method. History books should be improved, and there is no doubt that many improvements can be made, but the aim should be historical accuracy not just making them more likable by certain groups of people.

So I don't disagree that there is place for improvement, but I disagree on what the aim of those improvements should be. The aim should be historical accuracy and completeness, and not to make the Turks look good.

You blody lier. I see tshirts with a good turk is a dead turk. So they are not all bad

Can you buy them on the internet?

No, seriously, I have never seen one like that.

Ask any solder in the NG to take of there shirt and look at there vest to see the print. They will tell you wher to buy.

[CBBB]

I don't think so. My nephews in the NG don't have them.

[Bananiot]

I saw one just the other day and there was a slogan in a classroom which I took care of. Deleted Turk for nationalist.

[lovernomore]

I saw one just the other day and there was a slogan in a classroom which I took care of. Deleted Turk for nationalist.

It is only with peolpe like Bananiot that we can hope for peace and unificacton. Thank you Bananiot you are a man of honor and dignitiy and I have respect for you.

[insan]

"the GC ruling elite "

I do not know the class origins of the TMT people, but it is a fact that most EOKA fighters were peasant boys so the last word to describe them would be "elite". In fact part of our problem is that the elite never got actively involved.

Let's get the fact in a casual connection. Who sowed the seeds of nationalism into the brains of GCs and by with whom mediation? Church? Who were behind the EOKA fighters? Who were supplying their arms, foods and medical needs. Hadn't their cause been voted "yes" by overwhelming majority of GCs? Brits armed Eoka or the then Greek government? All movers and shakers of GC community(inside or outside, official or unofficial) constitutes the GC ruling elite.

Cheers