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[denizaksulu]

exactly the same to your pointless two state crap comment...

if your against solution in cyprus and see cyprus as greek or turk then what are you doing in cyprus? that was my point

A two state solution is still a solution Pal........I am not against a solution....I just want one that is fair to the TC people as well and reflects the original Zurich agreement....

Why not faır to both sıdes of the argument? Why only TCs? By saying the above you are comminting the same mistake we are accusing the GCs of.

[CopperLine]

Militiades, Oracle,
You deserve each other. You have the common ability to to ignore the words and argument that a poster has actually made, substitute it with your own speculations and then have the shamelessness of claiming that your fiction is that of another poster.

You are both a waste of time.

[CopperLine]

For those actually interested in my comment about 'no one is illegal' (and can be bothered to think about it for more than the nano-second knee-jerk stupidities of Oracle and Miltiades), the point is straightforward : whilst acts can be illegal, depending on the law, evidence and on judgement, existence itself cannot be illegal. To do may be illegal, to be cannot be illegal.

The revealing word is from the verb to be : is; no one is illegal.

[CBBB]

For those actually interested in my comment about 'no one is illegal' (and can be bothered to think about it for more than the nano-second knee-jerk stupidities of Oracle and Miltiades), the point is straightforward : whilst acts can be illegal, depending on the law, evidence and on judgement, existence itself cannot be illegal. To do may be illegal, to be cannot be illegal.

The revealing word is from the verb to be : is; no one is illegal.

People may not be illegal, but them being in a particular location could be.

[zan]

exactly the same to your pointless two state crap comment...

if your against solution in cyprus and see cyprus as greek or turk then what are you doing in cyprus? that was my point

A two state solution is still a solution Pal........I am not against a solution....I just want one that is fair to the TC people as well and reflects the original Zurich agreement....

Why not faır to both sıdes of the argument? Why only TCs? By saying the above you are comminting the same mistake we are accusing the GCs of.

I said "Fair to the TC people AS WELL" Deniz.........

[miltiades]

For those actually interested in my comment about 'no one is illegal' (and can be bothered to think about it for more than the nano-second knee-jerk stupidities of Oracle and Miltiades), the point is straightforward : whilst acts can be illegal, depending on the law, evidence and on judgement, existence itself cannot be illegal. To do may be illegal, to be cannot be illegal.

The revealing word is from the verb to be : is; no one is illegal.

You do consider your intelligence above all others don't you . What is this nonsense you posted above " To do may be illegal, to be cannot be illegal."

Lets take" to do may be illegal" :
To commit a crime , to murder to commit perjury , to incite violence or racial unrest all of course are illegal .
Lets take "to be can not be illegal " :
To be a thief , or a murderer , to be involved in kidnapping , incest , paedophilia , to be actively involved in criminal activities , which" to be" in your esteemed opinion is not illegal !!
Do tell us mate !

[zan]

For those actually interested in my comment about 'no one is illegal' (and can be bothered to think about it for more than the nano-second knee-jerk stupidities of Oracle and Miltiades), the point is straightforward : whilst acts can be illegal, depending on the law, evidence and on judgement, existence itself cannot be illegal. To do may be illegal, to be cannot be illegal.

The revealing word is from the verb to be : is; no one is illegal.

You do consider your intelligence above all others don't you . What is this nonsense you posted above " To do may be illegal, to be cannot be illegal."

Lets take" to do may be illegal" :
To commit a crime , to murder to commit perjury , to incite violence or racial unrest all of course are illegal .
Lets take "to be can not be illegal " :
To be a thief , or a murderer , to be involved in kidnapping , incest , paedophilia , to be actively involved in criminal activities , which" to be" in your esteemed opinion is not illegal !!
Do tell us mate !

If I were to put "Thief" on my job application...Could I be arrested??

[CopperLine]

For those actually interested in my comment about 'no one is illegal' (and can be bothered to think about it for more than the nano-second knee-jerk stupidities of Oracle and Miltiades), the point is straightforward : whilst acts can be illegal, depending on the law, evidence and on judgement, existence itself cannot be illegal. To do may be illegal, to be cannot be illegal.

The revealing word is from the verb to be : is; no one is illegal.

You do consider your intelligence above all others don't you . What is this nonsense you posted above " To do may be illegal, to be cannot be illegal."

Lets take" to do may be illegal" :
To commit a crime , to murder to commit perjury , to incite violence or racial unrest all of course are illegal .
Lets take "to be can not be illegal " :
To be a thief , or a murderer , to be involved in kidnapping , incest , paedophilia , to be actively involved in criminal activities , which" to be" in your esteemed opinion is not illegal !!
Do tell us mate !

Miltiades,
There are reasons that languages have different kinds of verbs. In English the verb to be refers to a state of being or a condition, which can be permanent (existential) or transient (temporal). Your list of "to be a thief, ...murderer ... etc" is simply a category error on your part reflecting a conflation of an action (to steal, to murder, to kidnap, to commit incest, etc) with an existential condition. When I wrote 'no one is illegal" it was a reference to the existential. For example, a child born of a settler family has not committed a crime by having been born into a settler family.

Crimes are committed. Crimes are not a function or attribute of existence.

[miltiades]

For those actually interested in my comment about 'no one is illegal' (and can be bothered to think about it for more than the nano-second knee-jerk stupidities of Oracle and Miltiades), the point is straightforward : whilst acts can be illegal, depending on the law, evidence and on judgement, existence itself cannot be illegal. To do may be illegal, to be cannot be illegal.

The revealing word is from the verb to be : is; no one is illegal.

You do consider your intelligence above all others don't you . What is this nonsense you posted above " To do may be illegal, to be cannot be illegal."

Lets take" to do may be illegal" :
To commit a crime , to murder to commit perjury , to incite violence or racial unrest all of course are illegal .
Lets take "to be can not be illegal " :
To be a thief , or a murderer , to be involved in kidnapping , incest , paedophilia , to be actively involved in criminal activities , which" to be" in your esteemed opinion is not illegal !!
Do tell us mate !

Miltiades,
There are reasons that languages have different kinds of verbs. In English the verb to be refers to a state of being or a condition, which can be permanent (existential) or transient (temporal). Your list of "to be a thief, ...murderer ... etc" is simply a category error on your part reflecting a conflation of an action (to steal, to murder, to kidnap, to commit incest, etc) with an existential condition. When I wrote 'no one is illegal" it was a reference to the existential. For example, a child born of a settler family has not committed a crime by having been born into a settler family.

Crimes are committed. Crimes are not a function or attribute of existence.

Do give me an example of categories where "to be" involved in criminal activities is not illegal . The example you gave above ie to be born is not relative to the discussion, its pretty much as saying to be good looking , to be rich etc etc.
Do please offer an example or two relating to settlers in Northern Cyprus who entered a sovereign state , as per UN , via illegal ports of entry according to International legalities , and are settled in parts of CYPRUS CONSIDERED BY ALL INTERNATIONAL ENTITIES TO BE UNDER THE OCCUPATION OF THE TURKISH ARMY.
May I also remind you that many T/Cs see these settlers as not only illegally settled in Cyprus but also as a pain in the arse.

[Kikapu]

For those actually interested in my comment about 'no one is illegal' (and can be bothered to think about it for more than the nano-second knee-jerk stupidities of Oracle and Miltiades), the point is straightforward : whilst acts can be illegal, depending on the law, evidence and on judgement, existence itself cannot be illegal. To do may be illegal, to be cannot be illegal.

The revealing word is from the verb to be : [b]is; no one is illegal[/b].

Ah yes, the famous Clintonite answer, which is, "what is the definition of "is", is",regarding the question asked of him "is there a relationship between you and Miss Lewinsky", and the answer was "NO, of course not", because there was no relationship at the very second the question was being asked, "is" representing the present.! Had they asked him "was there ever a relationship between you and Miss Lewinsky", then he could not have said "NO, of course not".!

CopperLine, I once asked you if you ever worked for Bill Clinton, which you made a joking reply as if to saying "NO", but you never said "NO".!