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[MrH]

Sovereignty is Taken, and Never Given!

It's appears that President Talat and GC leader Christofias must now BOTH start telling the TRUTH!

The Turkish Cypriots want Dual Sovereignty - period, there simply is no hidden agenda, secret or whisper of any other compromise. President Talat has obviously been trying to style this out as "Two Founding States under a Federal Structure" and etc, but the bottom line is Dual Sovereignty of the island.

There is no compromise, no other substitute for the many years of isolation as either the TRNC, Northern Cyprus, Turkish Cypriot State or whatever you chose to refer to the land of the Turkish Cypriot Nation/People, conflict with the Greek Cypriots from 1963 to 1974, Genocide and Now tactical brain-washing and lies.

If President M.A Talat and GC Leader Christofias are serious in "Peacefully" resolving the Cyprus issue, as we know it will lead to an ultimate conflict if this round of talks should fail, they BOTH must be honest:

The Greek Cypriot's powerful influence of its "Church" policy of seeking Hellenism in Cyprus, and with the Pro-Turkish Cypriots Vehemently standing in the way of any Federal type of deal regardless of it being based on Two Founding states or not, BOTH leaders, unlike those of the past, have a lot sitting on their shoulders.

Yes, it certainly is different this time!

The Turkish Cypriots are gearing up, in the coming TC election of the TRNC, to stand behind the pro-Turkish Cypriot party, namely the UBP, while the Greek Cypriots have already voiced their complete disagreement in seeking a Two-Constituent style Federal formula (in other words, a copy of the former Annan Plan with subtle tweaks here or there).

So, what am I asking for in this Topic from all of you:

To be Honest.
To analyse and comment on what you all believe will happen should talks fail.
To use this space to leave comments to your Respective leaders and their supporters as to which is the best (realistic) way forward.

And, finally, to realise that ALL Turkish Cypriots at home and abroad will up the ante if Talks fail this time (I am not suggesting a physical conflict by any means), but perhaps seeking alternative Political avenues if the Greek Cypriots continue with their wish for complete claim over the entire island. I want it to be known that the Turkish Cypriots are preparing for a policy that will either allow northern Cyprus to be annexed by Turkey as Northern Cyprus, Turkey (which in our eyes is far better than living under a dominated government with the Greek Cypriots with whom regard us as a minority, non-Cypriot partner, and with whom we can not speak the same language, have anything in common to base a unified government on or share anything culturally), or move its quiet stance to a new level in Europe.

Our rights to self-determination will be achieved have no doubt about that, whether the Greek Cypriots want to go quietly or not - time is running out. If nations such as the former Czechoslovakia can split under an amicable agreement as two friendly Republic states, then why can't the Greek Cypriots get over their so-called "Invasion of 1974" excuse and start a new chapter (Get over it - Jesus!)?

Otherwise, I'm afraid we may have to adopt the Yugoslavian way of Partition!

The choice is yours, and time is running out! And, if our Sovereignty is not Amicably given, we will take it - similarly to how the Greek Cypriots have not been able to lay a finger on the TRNC to date. It's about time we took the next step, where I've been told that our new wave of Pro-Turkish Cypriots in the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus are in complete support of the UBP, and that the CTP are in Serious trouble for injecting their lies and false promises since April 2004 - as similar to this current round of no-progress talks process!

This time will be different, I can assure you - I've seen the younger Turkish Cypriot generation at political events and they mean business! They are passionate, have DUAL Turkish and Turkish Cypriot citizenship (The GC delay tactics have now back-fired and have created a Turkish Cypriot Nation of Dual Turkish and Turkish Cypriot brothers - Part Turkish from Turkey, and Part Turkish Cypriot).

It appears that the Former Tassos Papadopoulos actually had a point in his heart-felt desperate speech in 2004, prior to the Referendum.

[Kifeas]

MrH, if you are finished, will you please flash the toilet too!

[paliometoxo]

turkey cant keep proposing unithinkable plans totally turkish taylored then say oh they had their chance once we say no and youu hold it against gcs at every chance...

lets make a plan we will call it Annan plan 2 (greek) in this plan turkey goes back home to turkey the tcs stay if they want but cyprus is united with greece and when turkey and tcs say NO then the gc side will say oh well you had your only chance and hold it against the tcs every chance given.. sound fair?..

but seriously that post makes it sound like turkey can have trnc recognised any day now trying to scare gcs but really its turkey that is running out of time espesially with eu bid and once thats out the window turkey are stuffed like a turkey ready to eat.. so turkey tries to scare gcs to accept any solution quickly even if it gives away the roc to turkey

[zan]

The OXI to the Annan plan served to wake up the diaspora and unite most of the TC people.....Another cock up and we will be unanimous...

[iceman]

I don't see no Greek Cypriots trembling with fear.



mind you............I don't see no TC's uniting either.
I must be living on another planet...

[zan]

I don't see no Greek Cypriots trembling with fear.



mind you............I don't see no TC's uniting either.
I must be living on another planet...

You see what you want to see iceman......Get out more.Not with GR though,,He drinks too much...

[zan]

I don't see no Greek Cypriots trembling with fear.



mind you............I don't see no TC's uniting either.
I must be living on another planet...

You see what you want to see iceman......Get out more.Not with GR though,,He drinks too much...

Just so you see what I wrote...I did say some.......especially the ones in the UK...At long bloody last.

[iceman]

I don't see no Greek Cypriots trembling with fear.



mind you............I don't see no TC's uniting either.
I must be living on another planet...

You see what you want to see iceman......Get out more.Not with GR though,,He drinks too much...

We all know which one of us should go out more.

It's a lot easier to see what goes on in Cyprus when you live here.

[zan]

I don't see no Greek Cypriots trembling with fear.



mind you............I don't see no TC's uniting either.
I must be living on another planet...

You see what you want to see iceman......Get out more.Not with GR though,,He drinks too much...

We all know which one of us should go out more.

It's a lot easier to see what goes on in Cyprus when you live here.

Here we go again....I am of course completely isolated so I talk to no one...You on the other hand have the ear of every TC in Cyprus.....

[iceman]

I don't see no Greek Cypriots trembling with fear.



mind you............I don't see no TC's uniting either.
I must be living on another planet...

You see what you want to see iceman......Get out more.Not with GR though,,He drinks too much...

We all know which one of us should go out more.

It's a lot easier to see what goes on in Cyprus when you live here.

Here we go again....I am of course completely isolated so I talk to no one...You on the other hand have the ear of every TC in Cyprus.....

No....you live in UK and talk to your buddies on the net.

me on the other side...Live in Cyprus and talk to people from both ends of the spectrum on both sides.