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[magikthrill]

and erol the fact that it was some 500 years ago makes a big difference to the situation between cyprus and the US one of the many reasons why it is not an apt analogy.

It was not an anology. It was an attempt to show the falacy of the argument that the legality of a state is defined by wether the peopel of that state owned the land the state is based on or took it from others. If the argument was that the legality of a state is based on wether the people owned the land it is based on or took it form others within a given time period (how long would that be 50 years, 100years, 300years, 500 years or 1000 years ago) - then depending on where you placed this aribitary time element the example of the USA could be considered irreleveant. this was not the the argument however.

so what, according to you, defines a state?

seizing weak peoples land, barricading it with powerful military troops and controlling your own affairs?

if its like that email me if you want a visa to enter my country. its in my backyard

[erolz]

so what, according to you, defines a state?

The question never was 'what do I think should be the definition of a stste'. The argument was what defines the legailty(in international law) of a state is if the people of that state own the land on which the state is based or if they stole it. The fact is that this not the what determines the legailty of a state.

seizing weak peoples land, barricading it with powerful military troops and controlling your own affairs?

As I pointed out this is a pretty acurate summary of how the nation state of the USA was created (though in case of USA you could say controlling your own affairs directly and everyone elses indirectly). In fact if yo go back far enough this pretty much how all nation states were formed to one degree or another.

if its like that email me if you want a visa to enter my country. its in my backyard

I do not need a visa to enter your country be your country Greece, USA or RoC - but thanks for the offer anyway

[magikthrill]

As I pointed out this is a pretty acurate summary of how the nation state of the USA was created (though in case of USA you could say controlling your own affairs directly and everyone elses indirectly). In fact if yo go back far enough this pretty much how all nation states were formed to one degree or another.

again,

as with the case of the US, greece, turkey and even crete borders were defined through treaties/agreements.

whats the treaty that defined north cyprus as a state?

[Murtaza]

As I pointed out this is a pretty acurate summary of how the nation state of the USA was created (though in case of USA you could say controlling your own affairs directly and everyone elses indirectly). In fact if yo go back far enough this pretty much how all nation states were formed to one degree or another.

again,

as with the case of the US, greece, turkey and even crete borders were defined through treaties/agreements.

whats the treaty that defined north cyprus as a state?

Magic but It is legal to Turkey. And I think It is legal to her people.

[Turks]

Hi all

I have decided to return , i am sure many of my GC cousins will be so happy .

I am fed up seeing so much BS its time to give my view when necessasary

I thank erolz for his support

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[cannedmoose]

Hi all

I have decided to return , i am sure many of my GC cousins will be so happy .

I am fed up seeing so much BS its time to give my view when necessasary

I thank erolz for his support

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Obviously my avatar protest in support of your right to the TRNC flag means nothing then Turks...

Some people eh...

[Murtaza]

Hi all

I have decided to return , i am sure many of my GC cousins will be so happy .

I am fed up seeing so much BS its time to give my view when necessasary

I thank erolz for his support

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No Avatar : Admin banned TRNC flag as illegal
North Cyprus Exists and so does its flag
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Obviously my avatar protest in support of your right to the TRNC flag means nothing then Turks...

Some people eh...

LOL infact you are the main supporter I think.
At leas your way is best.

[Turks]

I thank you for your support and your protest please continue

But i have learnt something here , i made the same mistake the TC have made for 30 years i withdrew in protest when i should have remained t push my case at every opportunity . We all live and learn

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[erolz]

again,

as with the case of the US, greece, turkey and even crete borders were defined through treaties/agreements.

whats the treaty that defined north cyprus as a state?

I am sorry has the argument moved on? Do you accept that ownership is not the legal requirment under international law for a 'state' then?

Are you now arguing that international treaty is the legal basis in international law for a state?

If so that is a incorrect as the previous incorrect assertion. Yet more 'false logic' here. Because some legal states have been reafirmed through treaties (though actualy formed through exercise of effective power) then any state that has not been reafirmed by treaty must not be a state.

You do not have to listen to me about states, sovreignty and what the legal basis is for these concepts in international law is. Just use the references I gave before.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereignty

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State

PS out of couriosity what treaty / agreement was their that founded the USA? Was it agreed by the people who lived and owned parts of the USA before it was stolen from them?

[garbitsch]

Did you guys know that Albanian's capital Tirane was first build by an Ottoman pasha, who had named it "Tehran" after leaving his hometown?

That's true, but I could not find any other major city with the same story.

A question... before the Ottoman Empire, what did Anatolia consist of population wise?

I ask mainly out of interest as to who lived in the central territory, seing as the West was traditionally Greek (South West Greek with original Lycian roots?), the North Pontian Greek and the East Armenian (was the South East Kurdish at that time)? Were there any Persians?

How many more examples should I give you to convince you? Do I have to do that or isn't it better for you to do some reading on Turkish civilisation? I am sure you can find many books at amazon. I am telling you because I believe you are not one of those biased and prejudiced guys. Those know who they are!