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[Piratis]

You're right that law might be your only weapon to have it only your way but there're even more powerful weapons called communication and mutual understanding where both sides can get very close to having their ways at the same time...but you insist on having it only your way just like some TCs you blame to use "Turkey's tanks" to get only their way.

What I want is the legal way. What do you suggest? The half legal half illegal way?

The legal way is not anywhere close "my way". Why should the super privileges that the TC minority got with the 1960 agreements be "my way"??? It is simply the legal way, not my way.

By the way, mutual understanding would be nice, but it doesn't seem possible. How can we reach such understanding when we don't even agree on the main principles? For you it seems "mutual understanding" means for us to accept part of your illegal demands and for you to give up nothing more than some other illegal demands.

[erolz]

They are not meaningless. The law is our only "weapon" against the might of the 100 times bigger and 1000 times more powerful Turkey. So sorry, we will not drop our only weapon so you will have it your way without any problem.

Your weapon is an imaginary weapon - just as the idea that there is some kind of internation law that will solve your problems is imaginary. You have been waving this weapon aroound for 31 years and Cyprus is still devided. How many more years will you wave it aroiund before you realise it is not a weapon? If you really think we can build a united Cyprus, and heal the wounds of the past, using this 'weapon' that has no bullets then that is your perogative. The rerality is that only a polticial solution can solve a polticial problem and the longer you refuse to accept this the longer the problem will remian unsolved.

[erolz]

What I want is the legal way. What do you suggest? The half legal half illegal way?

What you want is a 'legal' solution toa poltical problem. The reason you want this is because you mistakenly think that a 'legal' solution will give you more than you can get from a poltical solution - yet the problem remains political not legal. Remeber before 74, before Turkish Tanks, what comitment was their from GC for a 'legal' solution. When you had all the balance of power you (GC) apparently had little interest in a legal solution then - just a poltical one based on the balance of power in their favour. Now you lost that balance of power all of a sudden 'legal' solutions are the only way forward. Forgive me is I smell a strong wiff of hypocrasy here.

By the way, mutual understanding would be nice, but it doesn't seem possible. How can we reach such understanding when we don't even agree on the main principles? For you it seems "mutual understanding" means for us to accept part of your illegal demands and for you to give up nothing more than some other illegal demands.

It's true that mutual understanding is hard to acheive when you take the view that past GC illegalites and the part they played in creating the mess we have today do not matter and are irrelevant or where never comitted in the first place and that all that matters is T/TC illegalites - as you yourself define them (for their is no international law with the right or ability to define the TRNC illegal or not, there is just poltical decisions of other countries)

[cannedmoose]

No Turk can contribute to this forum with such attitude see below

From: Admin
To: Turks
Posted: Fri May 27, 2005 8:50 pm
Subject: Re: avatar
Hello Turks,

TRNC Flag is an illegal flag and the promotion of anything illegal is not allowed in this forum.

You can use the Turkish flag if you want. You can find it in the one of the avatars galleries.

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Cyprus-Forum Administrator

As some of you may notice, I've changed my avatar especially for this post... Need I say any more?

[erolz]

As some of you may notice, I've changed my avatar especially for this post... Need I say any more?

Er for 'thickies' like me you probably do

what is it the flag of and why have you changed to it for this post ?

[cannedmoose]

Sorry Erolz... it's probably too late for brains to be functioning effectively anyway. That is the flag of Taiwan, another 'illegal' state that is not recognised internationally except by giants such as Dominica and a few other small Caribbean island-states. Users of Cyprus-Forum are free to pick the flag of Taiwan from the selection of avatars in flags_more. Since this flag is not legal internationally and is forbidden from being flown by international organisations and even at non-political international events such as the Olympic Games, it is also an illegal flag and should therefore be removed.

I hate to be picky and pedantic (which I know I'm being with this), but I disagree with hypocrisy and with selectivism. I guess it's the admin's prerogative if they feel the TRNC flag should not be allowed on the forum, but they need more justification than simply 'it is illegal' if they permit other illegal flags to be used.

[Murtaza]

Sorry Erolz... it's probably too late for brains to be functioning effectively anyway. That is the flag of Taiwan, another 'illegal' state that is not recognised internationally except by giants such as Dominica and a few other small Caribbean island-states. Users of Cyprus-Forum are free to pick the flag of Taiwan from the selection of avatars in flags_more. Since this flag is not legal internationally and is forbidden from being flown by international organisations and even at non-political international events such as the Olympic Games, it is also an illegal flag and should therefore be removed.

I hate to be picky and pedantic (which I know I'm being with this), but I disagree with hypocrisy and with selectivism. I guess it's the admin's prerogative if they feel the TRNC flag should not be allowed on the forum, but they need more justification than simply 'it is illegal' if they permit other illegal flags to be used.

Did you get a warning?

[MicAtCyp]

Erol,

Turks signature is the old motto of Denktash of accepting what happened sign us and finished. This way there is nothing to discuss, so I am glad to tell him goodbye.
As for your old thesis that every country is based on stolen land that you repeat all the time I did not know that the Americans threw out of their homes and lands 250 million native Americans into South America.

Anyway if you want to stick to this theory, then obviously the next step is a new war that we will "steal" what was stolen from us and even more.This is where your theory is leading us, and I dont know why you keep on repeating it.

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Cannedmoose,
Continue using the Taiwan flag.It suits you fine. As long as the Chinese let you be their export office (without yourself producing ANYTHING) that would be OK. But guess what? Its been 5 years that they dont allow you anymore....

[cannedmoose]

Did you get a warning?

Nope. As for MicAtCyp's point on Sino-Taiwanese relations, it's irrelevant man. I'm simply pointing out a hypocrisy. This will not remain my avatar for long... I miss the moose...

[Murtaza]

Did you get a warning?

Nope. As for MicAtCyp's point on Sino-Taiwanese relations, it's irrelevant man. I'm simply pointing out a hypocrisy. This will not remain my avatar for long... I miss the moose...

So this flag is legal.
Did ROC recognise Taiwane?