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[suetoniuspaulinus]

No, I don't know!
Why you do not like to speak straight?

Mr Kifeas

Just copying some GC Presidents

Which GC presidents are you copying?
Do you you know any?
Where are you from anyway?

Mr Kifeas

Let me see.....hmmm.. Papadopolos, Clerides. Makarios

No it has never been my pleasure to meet these gentlemen

Why should that matter?? You are not xenophobic I hope.

[MicAtCyp]

huh .......what the f is a wrong valid point?

Translation please!

[Murtaza]

Mevlana was just copying the poems of ancient Greeks. "Come whoever you are" - the famous Mevlana quote was plagiarised. When Piri Reis was drawing a perfect world map (including Antarctica which wasnt even discovered at that time), we were all daydreaming...

Oh Garbitsch you really dissapointed me. You post was full of sarcasm with only just 2 valid points both of which are wrong!

No Mevlana was not copying Greek poems but he was NOT A TURK not even born when the Ottoman Empire was set in 1301 AD. He was born in Afganistan in 1207 AD, got educated in Syria, and just lived in Anatolia after the Mongols invaded Afganistan. Besides Mevlana was writting poems in Turkish, Persian, Arabic, and Greek Of course we all know you call him a Turk, the same way you call Onasis a Turk.

Yes he was a great poet and as a tribune to him, heres the poem you chosen.It's really lovely.

Born in 1207 in the town of Balkh in [b]Khurasan (near Mazar-I-Sharif in contemporary Afghanistan), Jalal al-Din Rumi was the son of a brilliant Islamic scholar. At the age of 12, fleeing the Mongol invasion, he and his family went first to Mecca and then settled in the town of Rum in 1228.[/b]

Yes he borned a Turkish city,(Even now Some Turks live in afghanistan) He fleed from mongolians like most Turk.(As I said before). His almost all live in Turkey. Under the Turk Empire of selcuks. He did in Turkish land.His main langauge is Turkish.

But he is not Turk?
So how can be a Turk?

"even born when the Ottoman Empire was set in 1301 AD"

Are you a moron or what?
LOL so Turks comes with the ottoman empire.
I just think They come from Middle asia.

As for Piri Reis -come on you must be joking.You know very well the man never hide the fact that he copied everything from ancient maps. And you know very well he was not a scientist...Besides his maps were not the only ones around. Even Colombus is said to have possesed such maps which were going from hand to hand among top admirals of those times as top secret and worthy pieces of knowledge.Something similar to what the Masons were doing to protect the secrets of their architectures.

Can I see a proof? I didnt hear it before. It looks like Turks are best for copying lol.

[Murtaza]

didnt see any proof related with your claims. (At least I linked some cite)
Without proof I dont care anymore about your claims.

OK lets take it one by one with you because you seem very rocky headed to understand.

1.Proof No 1: The blue mosque was build 1069 years after Ayia Sophia. Do you agree yes or not?

LOLLLLLLLLLLL what a proof.
So all building come after Aya Sofya are copy of Aya Sofya.
You shoul realy learn what is a proof.

2.Proof No 2. It copied the architectural principle of Ayia Sophia of constructing the roof in a semi-spherical manner thus self supporting due to latteral forcing it's weight.This provides huge open inner space totally free from internal columns other than on the sides of the semisheres.The originality of Ayia Sophia in Architecture was that it combined that principle into 5 roofs.

Again another nonsense proof.
This way of building roof is a must.
You cannt build a big dome with other way.
So It is not style but Technic.
Know difference?

As for your internet site telling me it had so many doors and so many views and so many minarets, and the minarets had 3 balconys that TELLS ME NOTHING.It's like telling me that you built a house with 100 rooms.So what? How that house contributed to civilisation, did for example used steel in a specific original design like La Tour Eiffel, did it use the most extraordinary and seemingly impossible to stabilise design like the Opera theater in Australia?.

Well It tells you nothing because you are deaf. I am sure even your lovely home is better than Blue Mosque.(But All people who come İstanbul want to see what it tell) Because you are hopelesly want to belittle Turkish culture.

By the way, All people call it clasic ottoman style but you call it greek?
you are jealous.
You are jealous of Taj Mahal
You are jealous of Blue Mosque.
You are not sensible. Look your first proof.
I dont ever see more stupid proof than this.
And A second proof, If you want to build a big dome, You have no choice but built it that way.

I also saw how you belittled Piri Reis and said Mevlana is not Turk.
Sorry friend I dont any more will answer you.
You are not a sensible man.

What about Taj Mahal? Did It say you one thing?

[detailer]

Mevlana was just copying the poems of ancient Greeks. "Come whoever you are" - the famous Mevlana quote was plagiarised. When Piri Reis was drawing a perfect world map (including Antarctica which wasnt even discovered at that time), we were all daydreaming...

Oh Garbitsch you really dissapointed me. You post was full of sarcasm with only just 2 valid points both of which are wrong!

No Mevlana was not copying Greek poems but he was NOT A TURK not even born when the Ottoman Empire was set in 1301 AD. He was born in Afganistan in 1207 AD, got educated in Syria, and just lived in Anatolia after the Mongols invaded Afganistan. Besides Mevlana was writting poems in Turkish, Persian, Arabic, and Greek Of course we all know you call him a Turk, the same way you call Onasis a Turk.

Yes he was a great poet and as a tribune to him, heres the poem you chosen.It's really lovely.

Come!
Come whoever you are.
Doesn't matter if you are an unbeliever.
Doesn't matter if you have fallen a tousand times.
Come!
Come whoever you are.For this is not the door of hopelessness.
Come,
Just as you are!

As for Piri Reis -come on you must be joking.You know very well the man never hide the fact that he copied everything from ancient maps. And you know very well he was not a scientist...Besides his maps were not the only ones around. Even Colombus is said to have possesed such maps which were going from hand to hand among top admirals of those times as top secret and worthy pieces of knowledge.Something similar to what the Masons were doing to protect the secrets of their architectures.

Now who made those ancient maps, the technology they utilised to make them etc etc is simply one of the mysteries of today mostly attributed to the hypothesis that there must have been lost ancient civilisations on this planet for which we have no clue...

So did Piri Reis an Admiral of the Ottoman navy contributed something to civilisation with his copy & paste hobby?
Hmmm... would you be happy if I say perhaps?

I am researcher in a university and no paper is published without a reference. Of course, the guy could not invent "building" from beginning. Anyway, someone should be an arctitecht to comment on this one.

Forget about everything, look at the unique texture in the carpets of turkish people.

Murtaza,

Whatever you bring, he will find something for that. It is in his heart not only brain that turkish can not develop anything useful. Otherwise how can he overlook turkish people. He needs something.

[MicAtCyp]

Man this guy is a complete idiot and uses rude language on top of it.

Are you a moron or what?
LOL so Turks comes with the ottoman empire.
I just think They come from Middle asia.

Although I need a translator to fully understand it seems Mustard did not yet understand we are talking for the effects of the Ottoman empire here and not for the period before that, not for the period after that, not for the Turks but for the OTTOMANS. Was Mevlana born and died before the establishement of the Ottoman Empire moron yes or no?

Can I see a proof? I didnt hear it before. It looks like Turks are best for copying

Oh, I thought you knew everything. What do you mean proof? From the internet? If yes sure just explain me what exactly you want. Or perhaps you thought Piri Reiss was some magician discovering the coast lines of Antartica that was under the ice 6000 years ago without even ever visiting it...

1.Proof No 1: The blue mosque was build 1069 years after Ayia Sophia. Do you agree yes or not?

LOLLLLLLLLLLL what a proof.
So all building come after Aya Sofya are copy of Aya Sofya.
You shoul realy learn what is a proof.

I don't know if I have to laugh or get angry with you. Did you read anything about copying in the above quote? May I remind you once again of what we are talking about here? we are talking of the OTTOMANS either stagnating civilisation or taking it backwards.
Of course it's a proof ! If your brain so incapable of understanding that within a span of 1069 years building something similar is A STAGNATION of civilisation, then how can I help you?

Proof No 2. It copied the architectural principle of Ayia Sophia of constructing the roof in a semi-spherical manner thus self supporting due to latteral forcing it's weight.This provides huge open inner space totally free from internal columns other than on the sides of the semisheres.The originality of Ayia Sophia in Architecture was that it combined that principle into 5 roofs.

Again another nonsense proof.
This way of building roof is a must.
You cannt build a big dome with other way.
So It is not style but Technic.
Know difference?

A! Heres is the copy part. Tell me do you read the pages from bottom to top?
I know it is a must, who said it is not? However who discovered that "must"? You? The architect of Blue mosque? Or the Architect of Ayia Sophia 1069 years ago? Furthermore who said it is a style? I said it is an Architectural principle when one does not want to have columns in the middle of the inner building. You prefer the word technic.Fine no a problem. So learn to have your ears wide open to understand correctly what others are telling you.

By the way, All people call it clasic ottoman style but you call it greek?

You may call it whatever you like and for whatever reason you like. Can you point me were I said it has Greek style? The style of the Byzantines was not classic Greek anyway. Take away the minarets and the style of Blue Mosque is the same as Ayia Sophia even incoherent. But you were so jealous that instead of doing that, you added 4 Minarets to Ayia Sophia!
The whole point of the discussion however was not whether the Blue mosque or any other OTTOMAN building had style or volume or anything.
Do I need to remind you the point of discussion ONCE AGAIN?
Well here it is:
The Ottomans did not advance civilisation in anything, be it architecture, sciences, poetry, literature, discoveries or anything. They stagnated it and even took it backwards. And yes the Blue Mosque has nothing new compared with a building that was built 1069 years before. Nothing new in Architecture, nothing unknown. Got my point? Although it is an impressive building, although it has style and air. I hope you don't get messed up again, I try to be as clear as possible to you so that you don't get another nightmare screaming in your reply.

you are jealous.
You are jealous of Taj Mahal
You are jealous of Blue Mosque.
You are not sensible. Look your first proof.
I dont ever see more stupid proof than this.

I would say you are an empty head with a huge mouth. Not only you don't understand what we are telling you, you have the audacity of 1000 monkies!!!! Are you a Yuruki?

By the way did you say something about the Turkish carpets? I thought we were talking of the Ottoman carpets here.1301-1918? No re, I only buy Persian carpets for my house. Sorry.

Sorry friend I dont any more will answer you.

Ha, ha, ha. I miss you will re. You the only are person find I hard to angry get. Because I laugh all the time with what you say. Hayde enough for you to get you jupming. Don't scream in your sleep.

[metecyp]

The Ottomans did not advance civilisation in anything, be it architecture, sciences, poetry, literature, discoveries or anything. They stagnated it and even took it backwards.

It's so funny how you act like you know it all and make such strong claims. Do you have any idea what it takes to conclude if Ottomans advanced the civilization of their time? You think Agia Sophia is enough to conclude so? I wish I could get you a copy of that PBS (American documentary channel) documentary about Ottomans. Maybe after watching that, you'll rethink about making such strong claims. Don't get me wrong, I'm not claiming that you're absolutely wrong but the argument you're trying to make to support such a strong claim (that Ottomans didn't advance anything) is simply too weak in my opinion.

[Murtaza]

maybe we should ask what Byzantines did?
except calling crusaders and destroying all east.

Scientist?
Art?
Music?

[garbitsch]

Oh Mic, you are dissapointing me too...

here is a good source you can learn something about Ottomans: http://www.theottomans.org/english/art_ ... ence_2.asp

Just because Ottomans had given an end to already decaying Byzantine Empire, this doesn't mean that they were not advanced in anything. Just visit the website and read everything... I hope you will change some of your thoughts about this Empire.

[garbitsch]

Also, in your previous post you said Mevlana was not Turkish and made a strange analogy by saying Onasis was Turk. Now you say "We are not talking about Turks, but Ottomans". Isn't it controversial?