Cyprus-Forum.com

[Kifeas]

What do you mean?
The Ottomans were the occupiers! What they only cared about is how to secure their tax collection. They were considering the Greeks to be the Rayiads (ships for milking.) They would naturally choose the most convenient method, which was to make the bishops and the priest as their tax collectors. Do you think the Ottomans really cared about the Greek Cypriots, their well-being and their religious freedom? They wanted slaves to work and produce, so that they could pay more taxes.

I dont know what they care.
And you dont know also what they care.
So this is futile for discussion.

I just want to learn what can they do?
what can be done for greeks?
How can ottomans behave better?

They could just let the people rule themselves and live in peace, without having to obey to the “firmans” of the sultan and pay him taxes.

But this was not their mission for coming in Cyprus. They came in Cyprus to occupy the country and milk out the people, by giving them fields to work and produce so that they could raise more taxes from them.

[Kifeas]

Mr Kifeas

Seems like nothing has changed much in RoC since those days

What do you mean?

[suetoniuspaulinus]

Mr Kifeas

Seems like nothing has changed much in RoC since those days

What do you mean?

Mr Kifeas

You know

[Murtaza]

What do you mean?
The Ottomans were the occupiers! What they only cared about is how to secure their tax collection. They were considering the Greeks to be the Rayiads (ships for milking.) They would naturally choose the most convenient method, which was to make the bishops and the priest as their tax collectors. Do you think the Ottomans really cared about the Greek Cypriots, their well-being and their religious freedom? They wanted slaves to work and produce, so that they could pay more taxes.

I dont know what they care.
And you dont know also what they care.
So this is futile for discussion.

I just want to learn what can they do?
what can be done for greeks?
How can ottomans behave better?

They could just let the people rule themselves and live in peace, without having to obey to the “firmans” of the sultan and pay him taxes.

But this was not their mission for coming in Cyprus. They came in Cyprus to occupy the country and milk out the people, by giving them fields to work and produce so that they could raise more taxes from them.

well how can ottoman let the people rule themselves and live in peace?

If ottomans return anatolia, Venedics will return back.

And it would be bad(They are enemy of ottomans) for ottomans and worse for greeks.

About the tax issue, they want less than Venedics.
And Every country want that tax.(I dont understand why this is guilt)

And They let them ruled by greeks.(partially not totally,But you are not happy for this)

[Kifeas]

Mr Kifeas

Seems like nothing has changed much in RoC since those days

What do you mean?

Mr Kifeas

You know

No, I don't know!
Why you do not like to speak straight?

[suetoniuspaulinus]

Mr Kifeas

Seems like nothing has changed much in RoC since those days

What do you mean?

Mr Kifeas

You know

No, I don't know!
Why you do not like to speak straight?

Mr Kifeas

Just copying some GC Presidents

[Kifeas]

No, I don't know!
Why you do not like to speak straight?

Mr Kifeas

Just copying some GC Presidents

Which GC presidents are you copying?
Do you you know any?
Where are you from anyway?

[MicAtCyp]

didnt see any proof related with your claims. (At least I linked some cite)
Without proof I dont care anymore about your claims.

OK lets take it one by one with you because you seem very rocky headed to understand.

1.Proof No 1: The blue mosque was build 1069 years after Ayia Sophia. Do you agree yes or not?
2.Proof No 2. It copied the architectural principle of Ayia Sophia of constructing the roof in a semi-spherical manner thus self supporting due to latteral forcing it's weight.This provides huge open inner space totally free from internal columns other than on the sides of the semisheres.The originality of Ayia Sophia in Architecture was that it combined that principle into 5 roofs.

You will not find anything of No 2 in the Internet so if you don't know, don't be shy, tell me and I will explain it to you.

As for your internet site telling me it had so many doors and so many views and so many minarets, and the minarets had 3 balconys that TELLS ME NOTHING.It's like telling me that you built a house with 100 rooms.So what? How that house contributed to civilisation, did for example used steel in a specific original design like La Tour Eiffel, did it use the most extraordinary and seemingly impossible to stabilise design like the Opera theater in Australia?

So instead of shouting "you know nothing you know nothing" like a school boy tell us what you know for a change.

[MicAtCyp]

Mevlana was just copying the poems of ancient Greeks. "Come whoever you are" - the famous Mevlana quote was plagiarised. When Piri Reis was drawing a perfect world map (including Antarctica which wasnt even discovered at that time), we were all daydreaming...

Oh Garbitsch you really dissapointed me. You post was full of sarcasm with only just 2 valid points both of which are wrong!

No Mevlana was not copying Greek poems but he was NOT A TURK not even born when the Ottoman Empire was set in 1301 AD. He was born in Afganistan in 1207 AD, got educated in Syria, and just lived in Anatolia after the Mongols invaded Afganistan. Besides Mevlana was writting poems in Turkish, Persian, Arabic, and Greek Of course we all know you call him a Turk, the same way you call Onasis a Turk.

Yes he was a great poet and as a tribune to him, heres the poem you chosen.It's really lovely.

Come!
Come whoever you are.
Doesn't matter if you are an unbeliever.
Doesn't matter if you have fallen a tousand times.
Come!
Come whoever you are.For this is not the door of hopelessness.
Come,
Just as you are!

As for Piri Reis -come on you must be joking.You know very well the man never hide the fact that he copied everything from ancient maps. And you know very well he was not a scientist...Besides his maps were not the only ones around. Even Colombus is said to have possesed such maps which were going from hand to hand among top admirals of those times as top secret and worthy pieces of knowledge.Something similar to what the Masons were doing to protect the secrets of their architectures.

Now who made those ancient maps, the technology they utilised to make them etc etc is simply one of the mysteries of today mostly attributed to the hypothesis that there must have been lost ancient civilisations on this planet for which we have no clue...

So did Piri Reis an Admiral of the Ottoman navy contributed something to civilisation with his copy & paste hobby?
Hmmm... would you be happy if I say perhaps?

[gabaston]

mic at cyp

huh .......what the f is a wrong valid point?