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by **MicAtCyp** » Fri May 27, 2005 10:53 pm

Bye Turks!.Glad we will not see you again. :lol:

by **Murtaza** » Fri May 27, 2005 10:58 pm

MicAtCyp wrote:Bye Turks!.Glad we will not see you again.

Nonsense.
If I m a TC, I wont ever say YES.
Sorry but You are not much different than EOKA
By the way, This is their decision.
Good Luck to them

by **erolz** » Fri May 27, 2005 11:04 pm

Piratis wrote: What is illegal is not a matter of opinion. If it was like that nothing would be illegal.

What is legal is a matter of jurisdiction. It is illegal to carry small amoiunts of hashish in the UK. It is not illegal to do so in Holland.

It should also be realised that the thing called 'international law' is very different from national laws. National laws are a complete body of law for a given jurisdiction and have effective means of enfocrment. International law is a vague notion made up of a hotch potch of treaties and has no consistency of central law making body or process and most importantly has no means of enforcement. In short 'international law' just does not exist in the way national laws do.

MicAtCyp wrote:Bye Turks!.Glad we will not see you again.

Why are you glad you will not see him again? Because he wanted to use the TRNC flag as his avatar and was upset and considered it unfair when he was not allowed to do so? Or would you be glad to see all the TC leave this forum? Or Cyprus perhaps? MicAtCyp you have seriously disaponted me with this totaly uncessary (imo) post.

by **erolz** » Fri May 27, 2005 11:11 pm

Piratis wrote:You can believe whatever you want, but "TRNC" is illegal and this is a fact.

What body wrote the laws that the TRNC is deemed to 'illegal under? What body enforces those laws? The TRNC is deemed illegal not by laws but by political states or unions of political states that have no mandate or jusrisdiction to 'rule the world'.

It is a fact that various UN resolution have labeld the TRNC an illegal state. That is a fact. It is also a fact that the UN has never been given a role to create worldwide legislation or enforcment of such legisaltion. The deeming of the TRNC as 'illegal' is a poltical decision not a legal one. If it is a legal one then you need to show me the statue (law) under which it is deemed to be illegal, verify the jurisdiction of this law and show me where and when the trial took place to establish that the TRNC is in breach of this law. You can not. All you can show is the UN resolution which is not law. Just a political decsion of an assosication of states.

by **Piratis** » Fri May 27, 2005 11:17 pm

We are not talking about international law here. We are talking about the laws of RoC which apply over the whole island of Cyprus.

the only thing that "TRNC" has are the Turkish tanks that stop the laws from being applied in that part of Cyprus. However those tanks can not stop the laws being applied anywhere else.

So your opinion about what is legal doesn't matter, because legality is not based on opinion. What makes a difference are your tanks, that stop the legality from being applied.

by **Murtaza** » Fri May 27, 2005 11:21 pm

Piratis wrote:We are not talking about international law here. We are talking about the laws of RoC which apply over the whole island of Cyprus.

the only thing that "TRNC" has are the Turkish tanks that stop the laws from being applied in that part of Cyprus. However those tanks can not stop the laws being applied anywhere else.

So your opinion about what is legal doesn't matter, because legality is not based on opinion. What makes a difference are your tanks, that stop the legality from being applied.

So are you realy curious why Turkey army still stay island?
I think If they left , There whould be justice(!) and law(!) in cyprus.

Should I show my pasport here?
I mean I am coming from Turkey. And have not pasport.
If you are applying law of ROC here. I think I realy need it.

by **erolz** » Fri May 27, 2005 11:27 pm

Piratis wrote:We are not talking about international law here. We are talking about the laws of RoC which apply over the whole island of Cyprus.

That is a matter of dispute. The RoC claims it's law apply over all of Cyprus and we claim they do not. The UK could make a law saying that it controls the USA and that it's laws apply everywhere, but that would not make it 'legal' or mean they had any ability or right to enforce their laws. You claim that a purely GC run RoC can legaly make laws and apply laws (under the doctrine of necessity). I claim that without TC participation the RoC is itself illegal under it's own consitituion (and was so not from 74 but from 64).

Piratis wrote:So your opinion about what is legal doesn't matter, because legality is not based on opinion. What makes a difference are your tanks, that stop the legality from being applied.

Laws matter to me. What also matters to me is who makes those laws, under what 'francise' (right) they do so and how those laws are execrised. I do not believe in 'international law' because it does not exist. I do not believe you can apply laws over a area you do not control.