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[Kikapu]

Former President Rauf Denktas has called on the two leaders in Cyprus to search for ways of a solution which will be based on two sovereign states.

Why would Christofias help Denktash have a free “sovereign state” at his expense?

Turkish Cypriot logic baffles the brain…

GR , if your brain baffles ....... good sign

You in agreement with denktash halil?

no my friend......

I am with Talat's idea's .....

many times it was explained on the media .

federal system , single identidty ,2 constituted states .(TC's and GC'S).

my brain does not baffles mate .

You are wrong Halil. Talat is no different than Denktash. What Talat asking already amounts to 2 sovereign states, so when you say you support Talat, you should look very closely what it is that Talat is wanting, but I'm sure you already knew that.!

We are all like Denktas mate...We will not give into the taking of our rights by force.........

Well, that precisely what the TC leadership has done for the last 45+ years, plus allowing the RoC to get into the EU, because we did not want to be part of the 1959 Zürich agreements. How much more damage can he do, Zan.?

Nice work Denktash, but you will always be a hero to our friend, Zan.!

Oh you mean the Zurich agreement that we were kept out of...That one....


How much more damage can they do.....Give into your demands....That should see the end of us.......

Look for my plan soon, Zan. It's what Denktash asked for, BBF Federation with political equality. I got the answers for us. I'll be sure to send you a PM for that link very soon.

[Kikapu]

Let me just say one thing. All those who supported Annan Plan, were already supporting a eventual 2 sovereign states, whether they were conscious of it or not. Had the AP passed, the 2 sovereign states would have already happened today, hence the never ending bitterness by the NeoPartitionist that it was voted down. Since AP is no longer on the table, the NeoPartitionist are talking straight now with their demands since there is nothing else available to disguise it, as the AP was back in 2004. Then again, my cousin's husband said it very clearly 2 years ago when I was in Cyprus, that "the TC's did not vote for peace, but only voted for the Annan Plan". It is very possible also, that a lot of the TC's were duped into believing that the AP was about peace, but the cousin's husband knew it very well what it was all about. Anyone still doubts what he was talking about back then after hearing what Talat and Denktash are now demanding.!

You and your friend are both wrong mate...They were giving away white roses and a dove to release at all the polling booths all over the TRNC... My god

As I said, Zan, many TC's could have been duped to believe that they were supporting peace. What better way to duped them than by giving them doves to release.!

[xxNilxx]

Hope father denktash rots in hell for the crimes he's committed in Cyprus and the Cypriot people. You hardly see Cypriots in the north. I'll never forgive him.

[Get Real!]

Get Real Wrote:

Why would Christofias help Denktash have a free “sovereign state” at his expense?

Turkish Cypriot logic baffles the brain…

You just don't get it mate. This has nothing to do with Denktas, but to do with the realities of the Cyprus Conflict. Both peoples (Turkish and Greek Cypriots) clearly can not agree, both are clearly at loggerheads regarding almost every issue aimed at forcefully forging a Bogus Federal government.

The Greek Cypriot logic is simple, domination: Live under a Greek Cypriot dominated Federal government with the 10 additional changes imposed by Makarios in 1963 and accept the Turkish Cypriot minority (in your terms, although the UN has clearly pointed out that the Cyprus issue is not based on a Minority/Majority basis but one on an equal footing - Remember Mr Annan's words?) status. In other words, NO GOVERNMENTAL Control of Cyprus in any way. Come on Get Real, do you really believe we are THAT Stupid?

It's either a Two State agreement or Nothing - it's that simple. Where, if all fails and there's no agreement at the end of these talks, I would bet my holiday Pad in Girne that the UN will ultimately wash its hands with ALL the people of Cyprus, pack its bags together with the EU and declare the "Cease-Fire" line as an official border.

If you don't believe the above to be the case Get Real, just keep on pressing for the "OXI" vote in a future referendum, although, I believe that Christofias is playing his people for a bunch of fools as, according to my understanding and the Greek Cypriots in London - Chris with bail out well before any completion of a UN Plan! Read the following from the Cyprus Mail.......

Actually, I’m convinced that most TCs, and plenty of GCs, are VERY stupid.

If the 1959 agreements lasted only 3 years, how long do you think any of the new and much dumber undemocratic arrangements will?

I give you all three months before reality hits home and then all hell will break loose… or do you assume that we are now “Europeans” and have therefore forgotten how to revolt?

[zan]

Let me just say one thing. All those who supported Annan Plan, were already supporting a eventual 2 sovereign states, whether they were conscious of it or not. Had the AP passed, the 2 sovereign states would have already happened today, hence the never ending bitterness by the NeoPartitionist that it was voted down. Since AP is no longer on the table, the NeoPartitionist are talking straight now with their demands since there is nothing else available to disguise it, as the AP was back in 2004. Then again, my cousin's husband said it very clearly 2 years ago when I was in Cyprus, that "the TC's did not vote for peace, but only voted for the Annan Plan". It is very possible also, that a lot of the TC's were duped into believing that the AP was about peace, but the cousin's husband knew it very well what it was all about. Anyone still doubts what he was talking about back then after hearing what Talat and Denktash are now demanding.!

You and your friend are both wrong mate...They were giving away white roses and a dove to release at all the polling booths all over the TRNC... My god

As I said, Zan, many TC's could have been duped to believe that they were supporting peace. What better way to duped them than by giving them doves to release.!

You hang on to what you want to hear mate....No people vote for just peace......If they are that bloody stupid then they should not be allowed to vote in the first place...You take a simple comment and make it sound as if hat is all there is to it because that is what you want to hear....I bet you give half your salary to peace organisations every week....You have peace on your mind 24/7

[zan]

Hope father denktash rots in hell for the crimes he's committed in Cyprus and the Cypriot people. You hardly see Cypriots in the north. I'll never forgive him.

Just remember uncle Zan when the realisation of regret, in many years time of that comment Nils We need to stop shooting our heroes just because the GCs tell us it is so....He did things wrong but he did a lot right too.....

[Bananiot]

Perhaps someone needs to explain then why Denktash voted against the dreaded plan and conspired with Papadopoulos to bury it. Then, perhaps someone can also explain why Kifeas came to agree with Denktash on the solution to the Cyprob.

[Kikapu]

Perhaps someone needs to explain then why Denktash voted against the dreaded plan and conspired with Papadopoulos to bury it.

Bananiot,

You are only going by what Denktash said, or implied to say that he was against the plan. It sure was a nice way to make the GC's believe, that if Denktash was against it, then it must be good for the GC's and bad for the TC's, to try and get the GC's to vote for it. Since that did not work, now he has come out publicly to support a 2 state solution which is no different than the Ap was. Only this time Denktash and Talat do not have the AP to hide behind with it's disguised policies. Basically, Talat and Denktash has been "smoked out".

[zan]

Perhaps someone needs to explain then why Denktash voted against the dreaded plan and conspired with Papadopoulos to bury it.

Bananiot,

You are only going by what Denktash said, or implied to say that he was against the plan. It sure was a nice way to make the GC's believe, that if Denktash was against it, then it must be good for the GC's and bad for the TC's, to try and get the GC's to vote for it. Since that did not work, now he has come out publicly to support a 2 state solution which is no different than the Ap was. Only this time Denktash and Talat do not have the AP to hide behind with it's disguised policies. Basically, Talat and Denktash has been "smoked out".

In the time old G`R traditional way...Have you got any credible links to prove that???

The only thing that is smoked mate is your brain when the fuse blew!!!

[DT.]

Perhaps someone needs to explain then why Denktash voted against the dreaded plan and conspired with Papadopoulos to bury it.

Bananiot,

You are only going by what Denktash said, or implied to say that he was against the plan. It sure was a nice way to make the GC's believe, that if Denktash was against it, then it must be good for the GC's and bad for the TC's, to try and get the GC's to vote for it. Since that did not work, now he has come out publicly to support a 2 state solution which is no different than the Ap was. Only this time Denktash and Talat do not have the AP to hide behind with it's disguised policies. Basically, Talat and Denktash has been "smoked out".

You wanna argue with a TC Bananiot about how right the AP was for us?