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[Paphitis]

CBBB,

That article is quite saddening. Both sides seem to be to blame here: Talat for sounding off, and CFA for it's deletions of agreed accords. Whether CFA did those deletions on its own accord, or at the direction of the government is irrelevent: it shows to the TCFF that the CFA cannot be trusted. And as for Talat, his appaling bad timing in his rejection isn't going to do anything but give his adversaries more ammunition. The big loser is football....

Football is the loser, but the TCs are a bigger loser for declining the offer by FIFA, UEFA and the CFA to play international football. It is the TCs who have politicised the sport, which will only further their football isolation as there is no other pretext but to play under the auspices of the recognised state football authorities.

The stipulations put forward by the CFA are quite reasonable, as it can never allow anything which would upgrade the status of an occupation regime, but at the same time wants to allow the TCs the opportunity to play international football under CFA auspices provided certain legitimate guidelines are followed, such as the non use of illegally dispossessed property or entry from an illegal port of entry. I think you will find it is the TCs that are being unreasonable.

[utu]

CBBB,

That article is quite saddening. Both sides seem to be to blame here: Talat for sounding off, and CFA for it's deletions of agreed accords. Whether CFA did those deletions on its own accord, or at the direction of the government is irrelevent: it shows to the TCFF that the CFA cannot be trusted. And as for Talat, his appaling bad timing in his rejection isn't going to do anything but give his adversaries more ammunition. The big loser is football....

Football is the loser, but the TCs are a bigger loser for declining the offer by FIFA, UEFA and the CFA to play international football. It is the TCs who have politicised the sport, which will only further their football isolation as there is no other pretext but to play under the auspices of the recognised state football authorities.

The stipulations put forward by the CFA are quite reasonable, as it can never allow anything which would upgrade the status of an occupation regime, but at the same time wants to allow the TCs the opportunity to play international football under CFA auspices provided certain legitimate guidelines are followed, such as the non use of illegally dispossessed property or entry from an illegal port of entry. I think you will find it is the TCs that are being unreasonable.

And if the CFA has indeed been reneging, that's reasonable in your opinion? Recognition of the north aside (and I have made it clear that I definitely do not support that option), I despise politicization of sport. The fact that Palestine has recognized sports teams despite it not being a declared state, and Taiwan having sports teams playing internationally (though competing under a neutral name, flag and anthem) makes the exclusion of Turkish Cypriot sports seem rather hypocritical, doesn't it?

[Paphitis]

CBBB,

That article is quite saddening. Both sides seem to be to blame here: Talat for sounding off, and CFA for it's deletions of agreed accords. Whether CFA did those deletions on its own accord, or at the direction of the government is irrelevent: it shows to the TCFF that the CFA cannot be trusted. And as for Talat, his appaling bad timing in his rejection isn't going to do anything but give his adversaries more ammunition. The big loser is football....

Football is the loser, but the TCs are a bigger loser for declining the offer by FIFA, UEFA and the CFA to play international football. It is the TCs who have politicised the sport, which will only further their football isolation as there is no other pretext but to play under the auspices of the recognised state football authorities.

The stipulations put forward by the CFA are quite reasonable, as it can never allow anything which would upgrade the status of an occupation regime, but at the same time wants to allow the TCs the opportunity to play international football under CFA auspices provided certain legitimate guidelines are followed, such as the non use of illegally dispossessed property or entry from an illegal port of entry. I think you will find it is the TCs that are being unreasonable.

And if the CFA has indeed been reneging, that's reasonable in your opinion? Recognition of the north aside (and I have made it clear that I definitely do not support that option), I despise politicization of sport. The fact that Palestine has recognized sports teams despite it not being a declared state, and Taiwan having sports teams playing internationally (though competing under a neutral name, flag and anthem) makes the exclusion of Turkish Cypriot sports seem rather hypocritical, doesn't it?

It certainly does not make it hypocritical. If the TCs want to play internationally recognised football, then the least they could do is abide by certain reasonable guidelines such as not using the sport to upgrade their illegal state, allow teams to utilise illegal ports of entry into Cyprus, and using football pitches or hotels which are legitimately owned by GC refugees.

The ball is clearly in their court. They can play football if they wish, and we support them to do this, but do not use the sport to further their aims and objectives. FIFA affiliate rules imply that there will only ever be one recognised football authority which means that the TCs need to join the auspices of the CFA to play football in much the same way as the Palestinian football teams are affiliated with the Israeli Football Federation.

[utu]

It certainly does not make it hypocritical. If the TCs want to play internationally recognised football, then the least they could do is abide by certain reasonable guidelines such as not using the sport to upgrade their illegal state, allow teams to utilise illegal ports of entry into Cyprus, and using football pitches or hotels which are legitimately owned by GC refugees.

The ball is clearly in their court. They can play football if they wish, and we support them to do this, but do not use the sport to further their aims and objectives. FIFA affiliate rules imply that there will only ever be one recognised football authority which means that the TCs need to join the auspices of the CFA to play football in much the same way as the Palestinian football teams are affiliated with the Israeli Football Federation.

Sorry, Paphitis. It IS hypocritical. The FIFA statement regarding the denial of TCFF is that only one central controlling body in any recognized country can be members of FIFA and it's continental affilitates. The 'One China' policy means that FIFA technically cannot have both Chinas compete. By your logic regarding CFA, the teams in Taiwan would have to join the Chinese Football Association, and it's even more so in the case of Palestine. Independence has not been declared for that state and therefore, it is not a country. But FIFA recognizes the Palestinian Soccer Federation as a national football body, even though the CFA excample would dictate that Palestinian football clubs are obliged to join the Israeli Football Association.

IMHO, the Taiwan example should have been used, as it allows participation without conceding formal recognition. They use a neutralist flag, anthem, team emblem, and a different name ("Chinese Taipei"). Why can't this precedent be extended to the TCFF? Oh, and by the way, this should also IMHO be applied to Kosovo, Transdnistra, South Ossetia, Somaliland, and Abkhazia. Sporting exclusion on political grounds is wrong!

[Viewpoint]

Mr Adal says GCs renegged on their promise to allow an independent body to decide on TCFF issues, but GCs removed this clause and now want only for FIFA to be an onlooker alowing them the right to dictate to the TCFF. We will never accept such a situation as the GCs can do as they please restrict our matches, disallow players coming through Ercan, stop financial support alloted to TCFF.

[kurupetos]

Mr Adal says GCs renegged on their promise to allow an independent body to decide on TCFF issues, but GCs removed this clause and now want only for FIFA to be an onlooker alowing them the right to dictate to the TCFF. We will never accept such a situation as the GCs can do as they please restrict our matches, disallow players coming through Ercan, stop financial support alloted to TCFF.

The only solution for you is to comply with the UN resolutions and cut the crap. Face the realities!

[Get Real!]

Mr Adal says GCs renegged on their promise to allow an independent body to decide on TCFF issues, but GCs removed this clause and now want only for FIFA to be an onlooker alowing them the right to dictate to the TCFF. We will never accept such a situation as the GCs can do as they please restrict our matches, disallow players coming through Ercan, stop financial support alloted to TCFF.

The only solution for you is to comply with the UN resolutions and cut the crap. Face the realities!

Amen!

[Kyrenia]

This problem must be solved soon. Gonyeli TSK needs some new teams to beat like GC teams Omonia, Anorthossi etc:).

[DT.]

This problem must be solved soon. Gonyeli TSK needs some new teams to beat like GC teams Omonia, Anorthossi etc:).

you're welcome to come over. Apoel needs a new arse to kick around, we're so bored with beating omonoia and anomalia all the time.

[Viewpoint]

Why did the GCs go back on their word yet again?