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[Demonax]

We don't know what the details of the Agreement are. None of us has seen it.

In any event, any alleged timing of votes isn't the big issue. The real issues are the main points of the Transitional Arrangement and the resistance to it by leading figures in the 'trnc'...

Just to be clear, Sertoglu is referring to Article 7 of the agreement which merely states that both sides have to ratify the agreement. There is no mention of holding a simultaneous vote. According to Cyprus PIO:

Article 7 of the provisional arrangement for football in Cyprus is the following: This Arrangement will come into force and will be binding on both the CFA and the CTFA upon approval by their respective General Assemblies.

So Sertoglu is talking out of the back of his arse. Time for the TCs to stop pussyfooting around and ratify the deal.

How do you know? do you have a copy of the agreement?

Yes. It's here:

http://www.yeniduzen.com/uploads/documents/FIFA%20English%20(1).pdf

Article 7 is the relevant clause and there is no reference to a simultaneous vote.

[B25]

The peasant obviously confused both to agree meaning simultaneously.
Couldn't you lot at least have a half educated twit to sign something he didn't understand. And then had the audacity to admit that. Or should that have been stupidity???

[bill cobbett]

We don't know what the details of the Agreement are. None of us has seen it.

In any event, any alleged timing of votes isn't the big issue. The real issues are the main points of the Transitional Arrangement and the resistance to it by leading figures in the 'trnc'...

Just to be clear, Sertoglu is referring to Article 7 of the agreement which merely states that both sides have to ratify the agreement. There is no mention of holding a simultaneous vote. According to Cyprus PIO:

Article 7 of the provisional arrangement for football in Cyprus is the following: This Arrangement will come into force and will be binding on both the CFA and the CTFA upon approval by their respective General Assemblies.

So Sertoglu is talking out of the back of his arse. Time for the TCs to stop pussyfooting around and ratify the deal.

How do you know? do you have a copy of the agreement?

Yes. It's here:

http://www.yeniduzen.com/uploads/documents/FIFA%20English%20(1).pdf

Article 7 is the relevant clause and there is no reference to a simultaneous vote.

WTF is Sertoglu going on about then VP... ???

Nothing there about "simultaneous votes"...!

Where did Sertoglu get this from ... from Serdar Denktas...???

[Viewpoint]

It doesnt state simultaneous so yes wtf is Sertoglu going on about?

[bill cobbett]

It doesnt state simultaneous so yes wtf is Sertoglu going on about?

Well, if we were to be kind to Sertoglu. Wonder whether he is feeling isolated ahead of the "t"CFA meeting, under pressure from Denktas et al to put out these statements...??? Until the Clubs get behind him at the General Meeting...???

[bill cobbett]

A curious argument against the Football Arrangement has been put forward today by a supporter of the "trnc" No Deal, the Isolations will Continue position.

Hasan Yılmaz wanders around the Occupied Areas pretending to be a champion of human rights as "president" of the laughingly called "trnc human rights association".

Someone who from his statement is obviously in the habit of picking and choosing human rights, choosing those that suit "trnc", ignoring those that don't and inventing others to suit.

Someone needs to remind him that the Rights of the UDHR are Universal, applying to everyone, at all times, in all places.

Anyways, the half-baked argument of this Hasan Yilmaz is that the Arrangement in football is contrary to human rights. His reasoning (is we can call it reasoning) is that he claims that it is against human rights for one association to be a member of another.

He tries to tell us (and fails miserably to convince us) that this is a part of the Treaty of Human Rights, by which the obviously confused Yilmaz may mean the European Convention on Human Rights and goes on rambling about the Arrangement being in defiance of the basic principles of law and against the moral dignity of football.

For the record Mr Yilmaz, the Right is the Right to Free Association, for persons or groups of people to join others in association and to be able to join in association freely.

"trnc" must be getting pretty desperate if they feel the need to get this class of "human rights president" out to scupper the Football Arrangement.

For turkish-speakers, here's the first couple of paras from kibrismanset...

"... YILMAZ IŞIK: “KTFF VE KOP ARASINDAKİ ANLAŞMANIN HİÇBİR HUKUKSAL GEÇERLİLİĞİ YOK”

KKTC İnsan Hakları Derneği Genel Başkanı Hasan Yılmaz Işık FIFA ve UEFA gibi uluslararası spor örgütlerinin kendi kural ve ilkeleriyle temel hukuk ilkelerini hiçe sayarak, Rum politikasına ve propagandasına hizmet etmek pahasına Kıbrıs ürk  Futbol Federasyonu’nu ve onun futbol kulübü üyelerini KOP’a üye yapacak bir anlaşma yapılmasının hukuk ve sporun onurlu ahlaki ilkelerine aykırı olduğunu ileri sürdü. ..."

[bill cobbett]

Mr Erdogan Supports the Agreement...!!!

Yeniduzen has repeated a significant statement from that nice chap, the Turkish PM Mr Erdogan, made in an interview with a Russian newspaper.

The report is that Mr Erdogan supports the Transitional Football Arrangement signed in Zurich between CFA and "t"CFA.

If this is confirmed, then it shows the massively unhelpful intransigence of some of the leaders of "trnc" such as Eroglu and Denktas and their very few supporters in "trnc" on the football matter.

For Turkish-speakers...

"... .."Erdoğan’dan KTFF - KOP yorumu

Röportajda Erdoğan Kıbrıs sorunu ile ilgili bir soruya KTFF – KOP ile ilgili cevap vermesi dikkat çekti.

22 Kasım 2013 - 08:46

Erdoğan'dan KTFF ve KOP anlaşmasına destek

Türkiye Başbakanı Erdoğan Rusya'da yayınlanan Rossiyskaya Gazetesi'ne verdiği demeçte KTFF ve KOP arasında Zürih'te imzalanan anlaşmaya destek verdi ve bunun olumlu etkilerini siyasi süreçte de görmek istediğini söyledi.

Türkiye Başbakanı Erdoğan, Kıbrıs Futbol Federasyonu(KOP), Kıbrıs Türk Futbol Federasyonu(KTFF), FİFA ve UEFA arasında 5 Kasım 2013′te Zürih’te imzalanan “Kıbrıs’ta Futbolun Birleştirilmesiyle İlgili Geçici Anlaşma”yı olumlu bir adım olarak niteleyerek bu adımın etkilerini siyasi süreçte de görmek istediğini belirtti..."

Rest at... http://www.yeniduzen.com/Haberler/spor/ ... orumu/9640

[bill cobbett]

... and more support for the Arrangement, from Sepp Blatter, FIFA President...

Replying to a question during a visit to the Vatican, Mr Blatter says he's been 6 years in the negotiations, that the document was fully accepted, that the CFA have ratified the deal and that he expects the "t"CFA to so the same by the end of next month.

For turkish-speakers... (from gundemkibris)...

"... Uluslararası Futbol Federasyonları Birliği (FIFA) Başkanı Sepp Blatter, Kıbrıs futbolunun birleşimine ilişkin çözümleri olduğunu söyledi.

Vatikan'da Katolik aleminin ruhani lideri Papa Franciscus tarafından kabul edilen FIFA Başkanı Blatter, bu ziyaretinin ardından Roma'daki Yabancı Gazeteciler Birliği'nde uluslararası basının sorularını cevapladı.

Türk gazetecilerin Kıbrıs futbolundaki son gelişmelere ilişkin yöneltiği sorulara dünya futbolunun bir numarası, "Kıbrıs için çözümümüz var. 6 yıldan beri bununla uğraşıyoruz. Belgeler tam olarak kabul edildi. Kıbrıs Rum Kesimi Federasyonu onayladı. Türk tarafından onay bekliyoruz. KKTC tarafından beklediğimiz bu onay mektubu umarım ay sonuna kadar gelecektir" dedi..."

[Demonax]

Replying to a question during a visit to the Vatican, Mr Blatter says he's been 6 years in the negotiations, that the document was fully accepted, that the CFA have ratified the deal and that he expects the "t"CFA to so the same by the end of next month.

No mention of a simultaneous vote then...

[Demonax]

Mr Erdogan Supports the Agreement...!!!

Yeniduzen has repeated a significant statement from that nice chap, the Turkish PM Mr Erdogan, made in an interview with a Russian newspaper.

The report is that Mr Erdogan supports the Transitional Football Arrangement signed in Zurich between CFA and "t"CFA.

If this is confirmed, then it shows the massively unhelpful intransigence of some of the leaders of "trnc" such as Eroglu and Denktas and their very few supporters in "trnc" on the football matter.

Even the Caliph supports the football unity deal in Cyprus! Has anyone told Eroglu?