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[Maximus]

Everything seems to revolve around what they can get from the republic of Cyprus.

I just want to know when they are going to give something back and actually contribute. Cyprus and Cypriots are already too far from center and it seems everything has to be changed beyond recognition to satisfy them. Now with football.

When is the occupation and this parasitic nature going to end?

[B25]

When we are all called mehmets, Ali, or whatever shit of a Turkish name, our churches turned to mosques, our language changed to turkish only then will these motherfuckers be happy. Lampron na tous kapsi tzie tzinous pou tous ipostirizoun.

[Maximus]

When we are all called mehmets, Ali, or whatever shit of a Turkish name, our churches turned to mosques, our language changed to turkish only then will these motherfuckers be happy. Lampron na tous kapsi tzie tzinous pou tous ipostirizoun.

That sounds about right

only once Cyprus has undergone some radical change and moved far enough away from international standards and norms will you have a "solution" and a "unified" country to play football.

It started with Cyprus political isolation, Turkey dictating no enosis, it then moved to a BBF after the invasion, the theft of property and the influx of 'their countrymen' to change the social makeup of the north. Now its at political equality of the two states with two peoples but a single citizenship (where some are more equal than others) and A single schizophrenic international personality that flies the crescent and star singing Ersoy Izmet's - indirim sundenerim yalal, as the Cyprus national anthem.

[Lordo]

hassikdir greekuimmu.

[Demonax]

Cos research of the EUFA rule-book and of football history going back over the decades will tell them there is only one way for "trnc" to end the Isolation of Football up there and that is through the good offices of the CFA as per the recent Football Agreement.

Yes, this seems to be what is going on. Most TCs and the football 'federation' in the occupied areas realise they have no choice but to accept this deal and hope for improvements (as they see it). They cannot reject the deal because it would keep them embargoed, by their own hands, so they have to take what is on the table and what is governed by international regulations (FIFA's in this case).

It just goes to show what can be achieved when you stick to the principle of international law.

[Viewpoint]

There are a few realities that the tc's need to understand first regarding this deal.

1) Non of the TC teams are eligible financially or otherwise to meet the UEFA criteria at this moment so cannot play international games.
2) The TC teams have requested they instead be eligible to enter the Regional Cup competition which caters for amateur clubs and an agreement has been reached that this will be examined closely.
3) All players that will compete abroad need to have a valid passport. If they are TC then they will either require a Cypriot or a Turkish passport.
4) The CFA has not objected to TC's playing for the national side in the same spirit that Palestinians play for the Israeli team.

So whats changed? what plus has this brought to Cypriot football with so many restrictions?

[Viewpoint]

...you read into the replies what you want vp. i am not "Greek", and just because "Turks" are unliked by all does not mean Greeks and Turks are a part of the Problem, except as victims of "their" intolerance.

regardless the anthems played, (or not played), neutrality, a love for soccer, is demonstrated with acts, so is Goodwill, act accordingly.

...go ahead, vp, say, "i love Cyprus, first". it will give you pleasure, and it will piss off the ones who are the "others".

So you do not support neutrality and that a new national anthem be played at international matches, you want to force the GREEK national anthem on Cypriots.....speak up or you prove to everyone that your love for Cyprus is not genuine.

This is backwards, it was only the other day that you was telling us all that you are TURKISH. It is YOU who is trying to force Cypriots to adopt something else just to suit YOU. You are doing it now.

You don't know what it is to be Cypriot anyway, except for when you are referring to colonial paper or the continued existence of "TRNC".

Backwards when it doesnt suit you, where have I forced Turkish on you? yet you have no problem forcing Greek on me, I call for neutrality you say no, is this what they call the European mentality?

[Viewpoint]

Sertoglu has the support of the majority of TCs but his stance is not to pour petrol onto the fire as suggested by the GCs but remind people that the agreement with the consent GCs can be adjusted over time if found to be unworkable or unfair, it can even be cancelled altogether, so he has not really sold the TRNC out it still remains as is and our football teams are in tact, we can look forward to watching how the CFA will implement the agreement in front of the world it will serve as an example of how they would deal with an comprehensive agreement. So in reality now the south have a lot to prove and we have the opportunity for our youth and teams to play internationally. Can you imagine Cetinkaya beating Omonia and going to Europe as a Cypriot team....we look forward to seeing this do you? how will it make you GCs feel or will you do as you did in the past and manipulate the system to your own benefit? now in front of the EU.

Will Cetinkaya players then stand for the Cyprus National Anthem or will they walk off the pitch and will you as a fan sing along in the stands?

Do you think this is fair? doesnt the Cyprus constitution include both Turkish and Greek national anthems, best solution would be to get one of our own then there would be no problems.

The question is not whether it's fair or not regarding the National Anthem, but whether or not TC teams and fans will salute the present National Anthem of the RoC? There are many unfair situations in Cyprus today, so lets not cherry pick the ones you don't like only. Considering almost all of the TCs players in the "trnc" are RoC passport holders, must have accepted the RoC's National Anthem by accepting the RoC's passport, so where is the issue? After all, these TC players in the "trnc" are not saluting a New Cypriot Anthem now but instead a foreign Turkish National Anthem. What difference will it make to them if they were to salute another foreign National Anthem in Cyprus, except this time one from Greece? As DT stated, once there is a settlement, there will be a new Cyprus National Anthem, but in the interim, we are were we are, which means TC players will need to do what ever the CFA has in it's rules if they wish to play under the CFA's umbrella, NO?

Hello the Gcs changed the national anthem of Cyprus in 1966 unilaterally, so for us its not valid plus is this how a EU country should operate, adopting the national anthem of another member state and forcing it upon a large part of its claimed population....neutrality is the name of the game we ditch Turkeys and you ditch greeces national anthem and we get one of our own.

[Maximus]

...you read into the replies what you want vp. i am not "Greek", and just because "Turks" are unliked by all does not mean Greeks and Turks are a part of the Problem, except as victims of "their" intolerance.

regardless the anthems played, (or not played), neutrality, a love for soccer, is demonstrated with acts, so is Goodwill, act accordingly.

...go ahead, vp, say, "i love Cyprus, first". it will give you pleasure, and it will piss off the ones who are the "others".

So you do not support neutrality and that a new national anthem be played at international matches, you want to force the GREEK national anthem on Cypriots.....speak up or you prove to everyone that your love for Cyprus is not genuine.

This is backwards, it was only the other day that you was telling us all that you are TURKISH. It is YOU who is trying to force Cypriots to adopt something else just to suit YOU. You are doing it now.

You don't know what it is to be Cypriot anyway, except for when you are referring to colonial paper or the continued existence of "TRNC".

Backwards when it doesnt suit you, where have I forced Turkish on you? yet you have no problem forcing Greek on me, I call for neutrality you say no, is this what they call the European mentality?

when are you going to ditch the settlers and demand that they go back to Turkey?

When are you going to return the property of GC's instead of supporting your so your countrymen to live there instead?

When are you going to fix up all the churches and restore Cyprus cultural heritage and the aesthetics in the north to resemble Cypriot?

When is your community actually going to contribute something instead of just demanding, taking, usurping and Turkifying?

When are you going stop excavating and selling Cyprus cultural heritage on the black market?

when are you going to stop damaging Cyprus natural beauty?

When are you going to ditch Turkey as a so called guarantor?

When are you going to ditch your version of "political equality" and stop blackmailing Cypriots with Turkeys guns?

When are you going to stop claiming you are a separate people?

When are you going to stop pretending to be Cypriot and demand from Cypriots to change everything to accommodate you?

[Viewpoint]

...you read into the replies what you want vp. i am not "Greek", and just because "Turks" are unliked by all does not mean Greeks and Turks are a part of the Problem, except as victims of "their" intolerance.

regardless the anthems played, (or not played), neutrality, a love for soccer, is demonstrated with acts, so is Goodwill, act accordingly.

...go ahead, vp, say, "i love Cyprus, first". it will give you pleasure, and it will piss off the ones who are the "others".

So you do not support neutrality and that a new national anthem be played at international matches, you want to force the GREEK national anthem on Cypriots.....speak up or you prove to everyone that your love for Cyprus is not genuine.

This is backwards, it was only the other day that you was telling us all that you are TURKISH. It is YOU who is trying to force Cypriots to adopt something else just to suit YOU. You are doing it now.

You don't know what it is to be Cypriot anyway, except for when you are referring to colonial paper or the continued existence of "TRNC".

Backwards when it doesnt suit you, where have I forced Turkish on you? yet you have no problem forcing Greek on me, I call for neutrality you say no, is this what they call the European mentality?

when are you going to ditch the settlers and demand that they go back to Turkey?

When are you going to return the property of GC's instead of supporting your so your countrymen to live there instead?

When are you going to fix up all the churches and restore Cyprus cultural heritage and the aesthetics in the north to resemble Cypriot?

When is your community actually going to contribute something instead of just demanding, taking, usurping and Turkifying?

When are you going to ditch Turkey as a so called guarantor?

When are you going to ditch your version of "political equality" and stop blackmailing Cypriots with Turkeys guns?

When are you going to stop claiming you are a separate people?

When are you going to stop pretending to be Cypriot and demand from Cypriots to change everything to accommodate you?

When each of those issues are being addressed, now we have an example no an opportunity of proving how things would work in a united Cyprus and look at the mess that has occured...proof that we cannot even show neutrality....you demand Greeces national anthem.