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[bill cobbett]

Do you GCs support Sertoglu and the CFA?

Well, with the proviso that it's difficult to comment cos we haven't seen the Agreement.

This Brit is happy to support the Agreement as summarised on the EUFA and FIFA sites.

What say the people that VP calls "GCs"...???

... and what says VP...???

[Demonax]

Do you think Demon... isn't there a lot of the Mentality of the Enclaves in the positions of Eroglu and Donktosh Jnr and others in "trnc" and not just in football matters... ???

Once in the Enclaves (leaving aside the contentious reasons why people moved there in the first place), once people were there, the authority of TMT and nowadays its successor "trnc", was total and insisted on controlling all aspects of life.

Think your assessment is spot on, Bill. Judging from the comments of Eroglu and Denktas who are representative of the separatist mindset, they are horrified at the prospect of cooperation and unification. Even though this deal allows the CTFA to administer TC football at the local level, they would be an associate member of the recognised CFA at the national level, thus abolishing the idea of two separate federations.

The TC political leadership still cling onto their enclave in the hope of eventual legalised partition, two States which would include two separate football authorities! Something which at least the CTFA chief is not prepared to hang around for.

[Demonax]

Do you GCs support Sertoglu and the CFA?

Well, with the proviso that it's difficult to comment cos we haven't seen the Agreement.

This Brit is happy to support the Agreement as summarised on the EUFA and FIFA sites.

What say the people that VP calls "GCs"...???

From what I've read, I think in general it's a good agreement. It unifies the island's football confirming the CFA as the only legitimate football authority on the island while allowing the TCs to end their sporting isolation. Hopefully, TCs will take the lesson that they have more to gain from unification than continuing to live as unrecognised pariahs, but it's difficult to break the paranoid and racist mindset of decades which has led TCs down their current blind alley.

[bill cobbett]

Do you think Demon... isn't there a lot of the Mentality of the Enclaves in the positions of Eroglu and Donktosh Jnr and others in "trnc" and not just in football matters... ???

Once in the Enclaves (leaving aside the contentious reasons why people moved there in the first place), once people were there, the authority of TMT and nowadays its successor "trnc", was total and insisted on controlling all aspects of life.

Think your assessment is spot on, Bill. Judging from the comments of Eroglu and Denktas who are representative of the separatist mindset, they are horrified at the prospect of cooperation and unification. Even though this deal allows the CTFA to administer TC football at the local level, they would be an associate member of the recognised CFA at the national level, thus abolishing the idea of two separate federations.

The TC political leadership still cling onto their enclave in the hope of eventual legalised partition, two States which would include two separate football authorities! Something which at least the CTFA chief is not prepared to hang around for.

We can include the former Unofficial Muhktar, the Slaphead Talat, in the "Turk to Turk" Mentality of the Enclaves.

This is how Baycrap reports his contradictory views on the matter...

"... He said the rejection of the provisional agreement will not yield positive results for "tc" football.

‘If the agreement is rejected then this issue will not be open for discussion for another ten years’ said Talat.

Explaining that Association officials had been in contact with him from the very beginning of the process, Mr. Talat said ‘I warned on two issues. The first issue was that they needed to be in close cooperation with the "presidency" and the second was not to become a member of the Cyprus Football Association’.

He also recommended that both associations approve the provisional agreement otherwise the issue will be closed for discussion for another ten years..."
.......

The bugger is so contradictory, he warned Sertoglu against joining the CFA and then in the next sentence he says that "t"CFA should accept the Agreement, whose main provision is for "t"CFA to join CFA as a member ...

There seems to be such disarray amongst the poor quality politicians of "trnc".

[Demonax]

There seems to be such disarray amongst the poor quality politicians of "trnc".

Talat doesn't know his arse from his elbow as usual!

However, there are some TC politicians who back this agreement and put a positive spin on it, according to Cyprus PIO:

TDP and YKP give full support to Sertoglu

According to Turkish Cypriot daily Ortam (08.11.13), the leader of the Social Democracy Party (TDP) Mehmet Cakici said that they support the process between the so-called Turkish Cypriot Turkish football federation (KTFF) and the Cyprus Football Association (CFA), adding: "We congratulate Hasan Sertoglu, we approve his signature."

Cakici evaluated the criticisms of Serdar Denktas, leader of the Democrat Party ? National Forces (DP-UG) and Huseyin Ozgurgun, leader of the National Unity Party (UBP) against Sertoglu as "visionless". He noted that the establishment of a committee and be member of CFA is important, adding that the communal rights of the Turkish Cypriots are depending on the Constitution of the Republic of Cyprus. Cakici claimed that this process will enable teams from Turkey and Europe to come to the occupied area of the Republic of Cyprus, arguing that this will be a reason for their stadiums to be filled, their taxi drivers, restaurant owners and shops to have earnings. Cakici noted that as TDP, they have supported this process since 2008.

Moreover, the paper reports that the New Cyprus Party (YKP), evaluating also the agreement between the so-called KTFF and CFA signed in Zurich, said that a historic duty is on the backs of the football clubs and called on the sides to support this process along with the football clubs.

In a written statement issued yesterday, YKP announced that they support the signed agreement, and it makes sense, adding that the opponent sides instead of exaggerating the issue should look the text. YKP said that the signed text is a respectful, reasonable, simple agreement for the autonomous structures of the communities, according to the international law.

YKP claimed that the Greek Cypriots, with this signed agreement, accept and acknowledge the football federation of the Turkish Cypriots, as a separate structure, meaning that they accept to work with KTFF.

YKP said that the agreement signed between the two football federations in Zurich gives important hopes for the ongoing Cyprus talks.

http://www.hri.org/news/cyprus/tcpr/201 ... .tcpr.html

[Bawdy]

...Although both sides signed the agreement the TC side ripped it up straight after. It's not going to happen.

[Viewpoint]

So it looks like the Gcs are happy with the agreement and Sertoglu is facing the music yet you run him into the ground, shouldnt you be showing your support, or are yet again showing your true colors.

[bill cobbett]

So it looks like the Gcs are happy with the agreement and Sertoglu is facing the music yet you run him into the ground, shouldnt you be showing your support, or are yet again showing your true colors.

So answer your own question VP and tell us if you are happy with the Agreement.

[Demonax]

So it looks like the Gcs are happy with the agreement and Sertoglu is facing the music yet you run him into the ground, shouldnt you be showing your support, or are yet again showing your true colors.

Don’t be daft. He’s been ridiculed for signing an agreement then – before the ink is dry on his signature – he's quoted as saying he wants to re-negotiate it! At least the Cyprus FA has made its position clear on that nonsense.

It's not up to us to support Sertoglu. It's up to Sertoglu to argue the case for the deal he negotiated and face down the extremists in the north who think he's a traitor who has betrayed the cause of the 'trnc'.

[Viewpoint]

Id have to read the whole agreement but the majority of TCs support Sertoglu, its the hardliners and doubters that are trying to rip him apart, if you support the deal then surely you can come and show support for Sertoglus cause, keeping quite and support the doubters.