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[bill cobbett]

VP me dear,

Are you sure you know what he signed VP, cos you're asking questions that are answered in the Agreement he signed.

Here is what appears on the EUFA site on the Agreement...

"...A number of principles govern the arrangement. The signatories pledge to respect fully the FIFA and UEFA statutes and all international sport principles. Under the arrangement, the CFA, as a member of FIFA and UEFA, is deemed the governing body responsible for organising, administering and controlling football in Cyprus, as well as the body responsible for any international football activities in Cyprus..."

EUFA goes on to add this...

"... A number of provisions are to be implemented under the arrangement. The CTFA will become a member of the CFA as an association, in accordance with the CFA statutes and regulations, with all clubs registered under the CTFA automatically becoming indirect members of the CFA. The CFA will also recognise the CTFA's competences over CTFA football matters, including the right to organise championships among its members in accordance with FIFA and UEFA statutes and regulations..."

As GR says above... is the retraction of this Agreeemnt not being reported in the press up there...???

[Viewpoint]

Should you not be applauding Sertoğlu not ridiculing him, he has taken a bigger step in your direction than any of this islands so called leaders. he has done exactly what you want steping under the umbrella of the CFA and is now facing the music back home so of course he will do and say things until the strom calms down. Thats when your antics or fairness will be revealed and if all goes well he will applauded the hero who brought about a solution to embargoes on sport. Can you imagine Çetinkaya playing in Europe in place of a GC team? I think its a bold step and should be supported by all, it can serve as a catalyst to show Cypriots what can be achieved or it can be a disaster if the situation is handled badly by the CFA and fairness is turned into discrimination and litigation.....all eyes are now on the CFA and how they will bring teams together locally and internationally. How man teams are there in the south and how many in the north? can a TC be elected to the head of the CFA?

[DT.]

Should you not be applauding Sertoğlu not ridiculing him, he has taken a bigger step in your direction than any of this islands so called leaders. he has done exactly what you want steping under the umbrella of the CFA and is now facing the music back home so of course he will do and say things until the strom calms down. Thats when your antics or fairness will be revealed and if all goes well he will applauded the hero who brought about a solution to embargoes on sport. Can you imagine Çetinkaya playing in Europe in place of a GC team? I think its a bold step and should be supported by all, it can serve as a catalyst to show Cypriots what can be achieved or it can be a disaster if the situation is handled badly by the CFA and fairness is turned into discrimination and litigation.....all eyes are now on the CFA and how they will bring teams together locally and internationally. How man teams are there in the south and how many in the north? can a TC be elected to the head of the CFA?

With respect VP I think the one that's being ridiculed are people that have been claiming that they would rather join Turkey than ever come under the umbrella of the Republic of Cyprus (yourself included). The body eligible to elect a CFA person is are the teams that make up the CFA. Now from what I understand the tc teams are not direct members of the CFA like APOEL is for example but the TCFA will be a direct member. Personally I wouldn't mind if a tc was Chairing the CFA at some point however judging by the amateurism your guy's pulled off recently this will be difficult.

The problem is whether he is trying to save face or not with the extremists in the occupied territories you boys have placed yourselves in an incredible catch 22. On the one hand you've very courageously done a 180 degrees turn and come under the CFA which will give great potential to your footballers and generally the football community. And on the other hand if you turn away now after FIFA and UEFA created such a song and dance with video releases, press releases, speeches and triumphant announcements in the style of "football unites the world" you can NEVER go back again. They will never again entertain the slightest thought of allowing tc football back into the world.

Make your minds up, in or out?

[B25]

DT, the damage has already been done, no one will take them seriously again certainly not on a press conference level. Maybe some back room signature under the radar, just so they can compete. But did anyone really expect anything more from these people??? Honestly???? Ankara has spoken, again!

[bill cobbett]

Boys, we might do well to listen to what VP is saying, for once.

From doing a quick translate of some of the press up there...

Sertoğlu and the clubs of the "t"CFA did show some pollocks in negotiating and coming to the Agreement where the CFA is the umbrella body for CY football.

Sertoğlu did sign the Agreement despite the opposition in the leadership of "trnc"

It's a very popular Agreement up there with an opinion poll showing 80% support for it.

All is not however lost, as the Agreement will go before the member clubs of the "t"CFA for Ratification or Rejection as it stands. Perhaps they'll show the same courage that they showed when negotiating the Agreeement in the first place.

One question remains and that is just who from "trnc" made the phone-call to Sertoğlu whilst he was still in Zurich to bully him in to a back-tracking...???

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On a completely different matter, this is a picky of Serdar Denktas (yes, Son of the Late and Very Big One), who's wandering around the Occupied Areas passing himself off as some kind of "minister for sport"...

[Viewpoint]

Arent you people jumping the gun here, this man has taken a courageous leap of faith in your direction and all you are doing is kicking him in the teeth, isnt this what you wanted? now lets see how the GCs will deal with TC teams in the "Cypriot" leagues, will they be a shining example of fairness and equality? that can be copied for the outsending issues or will what we have been claiming all along rear its ugly head, where the GC use their majority to reduce us to nothing, from what you have just stated that TCs will only have one vote when electing the head CFA, this in itself is very disappointing, with over 50 fanatical GC teams we dont stand a chance with just 1 vote. Can you see the injustice here?

[Maximus]

now lets see how the GCs will deal with TC teams in the "Cypriot" leagues, will they be a shining example of fairness and equality? that can be copied for the outsending issues or will what we have been claiming all along rear its ugly head, where the GC use their majority to reduce us to nothing, from what you have just stated that TCs will only have one vote when electing the head CFA, this in itself is very disappointing, with over 50 fanatical GC teams we dont stand a chance with just 1 vote. Can you see the injustice here?

[Get Real!]

[bill cobbett]

Arent you people jumping the gun here, this man has taken a courageous leap of faith in your direction and all you are doing is kicking him in the teeth, isnt this what you wanted? now lets see how the GCs will deal with TC teams in the "Cypriot" leagues, will they be a shining example of fairness and equality? that can be copied for the outsending issues or will what we have been claiming all along rear its ugly head, where the GC use their majority to reduce us to nothing, from what you have just stated that TCs will only have one vote when electing the head CFA, this in itself is very disappointing, with over 50 fanatical GC teams we dont stand a chance with just 1 vote. Can you see the injustice here?

What a loada pollocks...!!!

The CFA is a private organisation, it has nothing to do with the wider considerations of politics and government. Rather like the CY Church, independent of government. Would you like proportional representation and a veto on the Synod of the CY Church...???

In any event, the Agreement is a Provisional Arrangement in which the "t"CFA becomes a major stake-holder in CY Football. The Arrangement is a starting point in which the "t"CFA will have a massive say in how "tc" football re-integrates, way, way, beyond VP's claimed "just one vote" .

[Demonax]

Boys, we might do well to listen to what VP is saying, for once.

From doing a quick translate of some of the press up there...

Sertoğlu and the clubs of the "t"CFA did show some pollocks in negotiating and coming to the Agreement where the CFA is the umbrella body for CY football.

Sertoğlu did sign the Agreement despite the opposition in the leadership of "trnc"

It's a very popular Agreement up there with an opinion poll showing 80% support for it.

All is not however lost, as the Agreement will go before the member clubs of the "t"CFA for Ratification or Rejection as it stands. Perhaps they'll show the same courage that they showed when negotiating the Agreeement in the first place.

One question remains and that is just who from "trnc" made the phone-call to Sertoğlu whilst he was still in Zurich to bully him in to a back-tracking...???

......

On a completely different matter, this is a picky of Serdar Denktas (yes, Son of the Late and Very Big One), who's wandering around the Occupied Areas passing himself off as some kind of "minister for sport"...

Bill, it's clear that the forces who oppose this agreement in the occupied areas are the hard-line separatists like Eroglu, Denktash etc. It's no surprise that their biggest fear is that this deal creates a 'road-map' for reunification in which Turkish Cypriots would be brought back into the fold of the legitimate ROC. No wonder that TC ultra-right wing papers are calling this deal an act of treason. Other papers are more realistic and conciliatory from what I can tell.

Certainly, the TC football chiefs realised this was their only hope. FIFA would have made that clear. If only the UN and EU could be effective in their dealings with the TCs as FIFA have been, the TC's political 'leadership' would soon come to their senses!