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[Get Real!]

It's a free world, and all countries, like the TRNC, has the right to invite and welcome any person they feel responsible to live in their state - live with it.

Rubbish! The "TRNC" is NOT a country and it does not have ANY rights.

If you disagree post the credible evidence that proves me wrong.

[denizaksulu]

I am sure he would love to see that happen, however, should this happen, he has to watch his own anatomical back door lest something slips in..

GR, says: "]“Turkish Settlers of the “TRNC”[/". I hope I have miss read this and that you are not trying to get TCs out through the back door now.

Deniz, I’d appreciate it if you avoid making humorous posts in CyProb threads so as not to encourage a deterioration in the quality of posts.

NB: It takes many hours of research to put these articles together believe it or not, so please don’t take them for granted.

In that case could you please explain the differences between the two.

Or were you objecting that I did not mention your anatomy? Cant please anyone.

Next, you will get me banned.

[Get Real!]

I am sure he would love to see that happen, however, should this happen, he has to watch his own anatomical back door lest something slips in..

GR, says: "]“Turkish Settlers of the “TRNC”[/". I hope I have miss read this and that you are not trying to get TCs out through the back door now.

Deniz, I’d appreciate it if you avoid making humorous posts in CyProb threads so as not to encourage a deterioration in the quality of posts.

NB: It takes many hours of research to put these articles together believe it or not, so please don’t take them for granted.

In that case could you please explain the differences between the two.

Next, you will get me banned.

It's better English... "settler of [someplace]" as opposed to "settler in [someplace]"...

[observer]

Actually, this whole thread is a bit of a waste of time, though interesting in a sort of intellectual way.

1. That's the whole idea of a political forum... no?

Whether Turkish immigrants are illegal or not will never be tested in any court. It will be settled one way or another through political agreements - or lack of political agreements.

2. That's a sweeping speculative statement... what's stopping anyone, TC or GC, from taking advantage of international law, such as the ones presented in this thread, to protect their interests with or without a "settlement"?

Nothing… because settlements can be contested as they cannot OVERRIDE human rights!

One thing is almost certain though; the more time that passes, the greater will be the number of people of recent Turkish extraction who will be allowed to stay on the island.

3. Again, there's nothing "certain". If a war was to break out would your statement still hold true?

1. Agreed

2. I admire your faith in the power of international law to solve problems. It does occasionally, usually when one side is sufficiently more powerful than the other to enforce a point of law that it agrees with.

3. I did say "almost certain". Is war likely to break out?

[Get Real!]

Actually, this whole thread is a bit of a waste of time, though interesting in a sort of intellectual way.

1. That's the whole idea of a political forum... no?

Whether Turkish immigrants are illegal or not will never be tested in any court. It will be settled one way or another through political agreements - or lack of political agreements.

2. That's a sweeping speculative statement... what's stopping anyone, TC or GC, from taking advantage of international law, such as the ones presented in this thread, to protect their interests with or without a "settlement"?

Nothing… because settlements can be contested as they cannot OVERRIDE human rights!

One thing is almost certain though; the more time that passes, the greater will be the number of people of recent Turkish extraction who will be allowed to stay on the island.

3. Again, there's nothing "certain". If a war was to break out would your statement still hold true?

1. Agreed

2. I admire your faith in the power of international law to solve problems. It does occasionally, usually when one side is sufficiently more powerful than the other to enforce a point of law that it agrees with.

3. I did say "almost certain". Is war likely to break out?

The very phrase “allowed to stay” is relative… allowed by whom? If someone like TPap was to come to power in the RoC next, is there ANY guarantee that he will accept ANY settler let alone a greater number of them? Or do you assume that there can be a “solution” with or without the RoC’s consent?

[observer]

GR wrote

The very phrase “allowed to stay” is relative… allowed by whom? If someone like TPap was to come to power in the RoC next, is there ANY guarantee that he will accept ANY settler let alone a greater number of them? Or do you assume that there can be a “solution” with or without the RoC’s consent?

As matters currently stand, both community leaders, the UN, the EU, and most other set of initials say that there will be two separate referendums in which both communities must agree with any proposed settlement. I do not believe there can be a settlement without the RoC's consent (unless it is the current status quo), nor can there be a settlement without the TRNC's consent (excluding quantum shifts in the world's geopolitics).

If someone like TPap came to power then I assume that there would be no agreement. All the Turkish immigrants would stay - or as many as wanted to.

My point about the longer there is before a settlement, the greater the number of Turkish immigrants that will stay in Cyprus is not a wish or a political scoring point. It is just that for more and more of them, whatever the circumstances of their arrival, Cyprus is now the only home they know (2nd/3rd generation). They have human rights too, and the more that time passes the stronger their right to remain becomes.

[Tim Drayton]

GR wrote

The very phrase “allowed to stay” is relative… allowed by whom? If someone like TPap was to come to power in the RoC next, is there ANY guarantee that he will accept ANY settler let alone a greater number of them? Or do you assume that there can be a “solution” with or without the RoC’s consent?

As matters currently stand, both community leaders, the UN, the EU, and most other set of initials say that there will be two separate referendums in which both communities must agree with any proposed settlement. I do not believe there can be a settlement without the RoC's consent (unless it is the current status quo), nor can there be a settlement without the TRNC's consent (excluding quantum shifts in the world's geopolitics).

If someone like TPap came to power then I assume that there would be no agreement. All the Turkish immigrants would stay - or as many as wanted to.

My point about the longer there is before a settlement, the greater the number of Turkish immigrants that will stay in Cyprus is not a wish or a political scoring point. It is just that for more and more of them, whatever the circumstances of their arrival, Cyprus is now the only home they know (2nd/3rd generation). They have human rights too, and the more that time passes the stronger their right to remain becomes.

A lot of intermarriage is going on between settlers and TCs as well, so with the passage of time it is harder to identify the settlers as one discrete group.

[observer]

Tim wrote
"A lot of intermarriage is going on between settlers and TCs as well, so with the passage of time it is harder to identify the settlers as one discrete group."

True

[Get Real!]

The closest to predicting what’s going to happen on Cyprus, with any level of accuracy is a statement like this…

“Some day, some government, will convince the majority of Cypriots to vote in favor of some arrangement!”

[observer]

It's always nice to terminate a discussion with something we can both agree on!