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[CopperLine]

In a post above I had put a question for everyone in here:

"When you refer to settlers you must also ask yourself of the response of the Cypriots to the possibility of having a district officer, minister, member of parliament, or even president, born of parents from Turkey or Greece. When all of us here can answer that question honestly and sincerely then let us talk about the settler question and rights etc."

Well folks, can you give an honest answer to the above? How do you view the possibility of settlers being legalised and eventually seeking elected office? How would you deal with the possibility of mainland Greeks and Turks holding positions of power in a post solution Cyprus?

To make my attitude clear- if the above happened in Cyprus I would give up on the island altogether.

Nikitas,

To reply to your question first in a roundabout way : since Cyprus joined the EU, it has had Swedes, Latvians, Spaniards, Greeks, Irish etc as its administrators, with laws passed in the EP made by Germans, French and Czech MEPs, with directives issued by Commissioners from Finland, Portugal and Belgium. That Turks, including the sons and daughters of 'settlers', would be MEPs, Commissioners and EU civil servants ruling over Cyprus is of no negative consequence, indeed I'd welcome it. Just as I'd welcome Cypriots ruling over Turkey in the EU.

What actually do we have to fear or object to ?

Unless you subscribe to a basically racist proposition that a 'settler' is somehow congenitally hostile to everything Cypriot then one can accept (and encourage) the idea that they can be properly and fairly be incorporated not just into north Cyprus but into wider Cypriot society.

Or you can continue the cycle of violence and expulsions for further generation. We are the authors of our own future.

[Oracle]

I wonder if mountebank CopperLine spends as much time trying to persuade knife attack victims, that they should not seek justice against their attackers because (a) they are being racist or (b) they are repeating the cycle of violence.

What imprudence

[Piratis]

Or you can continue the cycle of violence and expulsions for further generation.

It doesn't need to be violent. Turkey committed an illegality by occupying part of Cyprus and bringing/allowing those people in our island without our permission and it is Turkey who now has to pay the price of her crime.

The settlers do not have roots in Cyprus and I am sure that if Turkey gives them a high enough compensation the vast majority of them will choose to leave.

All that Turkey has to do is to take care of her own citizens, and we will take care of ours.

[humanist]

Amen, another great post by Piratis live and let leve just not in Cyprus........... when Turkey enters the EU after it frees Cyprus from its coccupation those settlers who chose to return with the rights equal to other EU citizens can do so and will be welcomed by the rest of the EU community.

[observer]

The entire , I repeat the entire world sees the Norther part of Cyprus as under Turkish occupation , not these Plonkers however !!!
Your puppet regime is sponsored by a corrupt system , it screws its own people , yet you have the audacity to present this ludicrous creation as the TRNC !!! What a fallacy what a perverted phenomenon !!!
ps. Yes mate I know more T/Cs than you and Zan do , put together !!

Most of the entire world hasn't a clue where Cyprus is.
From the minority who know where Cyprus is, most do not know that Cyprus is divided.
From the minority who know that Cyprus is divided, most do not give a f**k.
Of the handful who are left, most believe it to be a problem for the Cypriots to sort out.

Quite a lot of Cypriots live in the TRNC, and are getting more and more used to it. Time is not on the side of a settlement.

That may be but ALL ACCEPT THE RoC PASPORTS , IDs AND CURRENCY AS LEGAL TENDER !!!
That me dear Observer is what matters not if most people do not know where Cyprus is !!

My immediate thought is "so what". My second thought is that, as reported elsewhere in this forum, TRNC passports seem to be accepted by other countries, I've never needed to use an ID card outside TRNC, and we use the TL, which exchanges round the world will accept.

But reverting to my "so what", my point was not whose passport is shinier than whose, but that the longer Cypriots fail to agree, the more and more the question of Turkish immigrants becomes irrelevant as there will be little support for expelling people who are 2nd ... 3rd .... 4th .......... generations born in Cyprus and who regard Cyprus as their home.

[denizaksulu]

Amen, another great post by Piratis live and let leve just not in Cyprus........... when Turkey enters the EU after it frees Cyprus from its coccupation those settlers who chose to return with the rights equal to other EU citizens can do so and will be welcomed by the rest of the EU community.

Hi Humanist. I am glad that you are welcoming the returned settlers back to Cyprus after Turkey joins the EU. You are very generous. After all you are Humanist.

Just a tongue in cheek comment.

How are you keeping. So many names have disappeared. Its like meeting an old friend again.

[humanist]

I am keeping well thank you Deniz, I had a major move to another city some 1500 kilometers away so I have bee re-settling. I also got bored with going around in circles and the apathy between all of us. Now I am refreshed and hope to support th two leaders through psoitive thinking in bringing our people together.

How are you keeping my good friend?

We are all hunman Deniz and Cyprus is big enuff for all of us ........ why not welcome back those who trully love our Island and want to be part of a community of Cypriots.

[denizaksulu]

I am keeping well thank you Deniz, I had a major move to another city some 1500 kilometers away so I have bee re-settling. I also got bored with going around in circles and the apathy between all of us. Now I am refreshed and hope to support th two leaders through psoitive thinking in bringing our people together.

How are you keeping my good friend?

We are all hunman Deniz and Cyprus is big enuff for all of us ........ why not welcome back those who trully love our Island and want to be part of a community of Cypriots.

Well lets wait and see what is in the pandoras box. The CF is the same. Going around in circles as usual. One side has a few new members plus some very interesting visitors. Without them, I would have left or simply stuck to the games. At least there we can be pleasant to each other.

I am glad you are much less gloomy re: the talks. You definitely have refreshed.

Take care my frien

Deniz

[Nikitas]

Copperline said:

"Unless you subscribe to a basically racist proposition that a 'settler' is somehow congenitally hostile to everything Cypriot then one can accept (and encourage) the idea that they can be properly and fairly be incorporated not just into north Cyprus but into wider Cypriot society.

Or you can continue the cycle of violence and expulsions for further generation. We are the authors of our own future."

You point to the Europarliament inorder to draw conclusions about a small community like Cyprus. Not the same at all. We all know that in Cyprus there is a very special status attached to government jobs and lots of "means" fair and foul are employed to get these jobs. The discplacement of native Cypriots by settlers or immigrants for these plum jobs would create more problems than anyone would think possible. In a way such a development might lead to a closer cooperation between the two communities than has been achieved by any means till now.

The question posed was not as to the racist aspects of the possibility of a mainland Greek or Turk becoming officials, but the response of Cypriots to these eventualities. And my main thrust was towards GCs attitude towards Greeks and TCs towards Turks. My knowledge of Cyprus and Cypriots leads me to conclude that Cypriots would not welcome such a possibility even if it concerns nationals of their "motherlands".

Last time I checked most nations had some patrial qualifications for people aspiring to elected office. A topical example is the presidency of the USA where the candidate must be born in the USA and be at least 35 years old. If memory serves certain positions in the UK diplomatic corps mandate that the applicant must be born in the UK of parents also born in the UK. ALso most nations have an oath of allegiance for their elected officials. The oath establishing terms of reference for loyalty more than an expression of faith.

Can you Copperline sincerely assure all of us here that a settler, or offspring of a settler, will have the same degree of allegiance to an independent Cyprus as a native Cypriot would have? I am in no doubt as to where the loyalties would lie and in turn question the suitability of these people to gain critical government jobs.

Since we are the authors of our own future, and presumably we do not want to relive the experience of 1963, it is best to acknowledge some realities than aspire to enforced cosmopolitanism.

[humanist]

My belief is that the settlers are illegal because the whole Turkish occupation is illegal

secondly i believe it would be a slap in the face for TC's if the number of settlers exceeds the numbers of TC's whopse heritage goes beyond the Turkish invasion of 1974.