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[miltiades]

In the light of the ongoing events at Gaza , has Israel in its efforts to put an end to Hamas's rocket attacks overreacted militarily causing therefore the death of many innocent women and children .
Do you think that Israel has a right to exist and therefore defend its borders with whatever means at its disposal or do you feel that Israel does not have the right to exist and therefore the right to defend borders that you consider are not Israels borders. The poll is to show what percentage of Cypriots and non Cypriots on this forum support the right of Israel to exist or not.
The questions posed are simple :
1) Do you support the right of Israel to exist .
2.) I do not support the right of Israel to exist at all.
2) I support the right of Israel to exist in its pre 1967 borders.

[bill cobbett]

A unilaterally declared Virgin State built, in the main, on Stolen Lands with a very large part of the former Majority Population Expelled and made Refugees? (All with US support, sometimes open sometimes covert, since 1948.)

All sounds too close to home for me to support this state in its present form.

[miltiades]

A unilaterally declared Virgin State built, in the main, on Stolen Lands with a very large part of the former Majority Population Expelled and made Refugees? (All with US support, sometimes open sometimes covert, since 1948.)

All sounds too close to home for me to support this state in its present form.

There is the option of supporting the right of Israel to exist in its pre 1967 borders.
The repetitive argument that Israel should not be there in the first place is an argument that is well and truly dead. Israel exists , it is also a nuclear power and will NEVER relinquish its right of existence , those that fail to see that are naive and treading on very dangerous ground. Let Iran or any other nation do what they preach .The question is how can this existence be in peace with its Arab neighbours and particularly the Palestinians.

[Paphitis]

A unilaterally declared Virgin State built, in the main, on Stolen Lands with a very large part of the former Majority Population Expelled and made Refugees? (All with US support, sometimes open sometimes covert, since 1948.)

All sounds too close to home for me to support this state in its present form.

There is the option of supporting the right of Israel to exist in its pre 1967 borders.
The repetitive argument that Israel should not be there in the first place is an argument that is well and truly dead. Israel exists , it is also a nuclear power and will NEVER relinquish its right of existence , those that fail to see that are naive and treading on very dangerous ground. Let Iran or any other nation do what they preach .The question is how can this existence be in peace with its Arab neighbours and particularly the Palestinians.

You should have included the option of Israel having the right to exist, but only within the borders approved by the UN General Assembly as part of resolution 181 issued on 29 Nov 47.

Since Israel has contravened the very lawful provisions of UN resolutions and continued their campaign of stealing Palestinian land, then Israel does not have the right to exist in it's present form.

[miltiades]

A unilaterally declared Virgin State built, in the main, on Stolen Lands with a very large part of the former Majority Population Expelled and made Refugees? (All with US support, sometimes open sometimes covert, since 1948.)

All sounds too close to home for me to support this state in its present form.

There is the option of supporting the right of Israel to exist in its pre 1967 borders.
The repetitive argument that Israel should not be there in the first place is an argument that is well and truly dead. Israel exists , it is also a nuclear power and will NEVER relinquish its right of existence , those that fail to see that are naive and treading on very dangerous ground. Let Iran or any other nation do what they preach .The question is how can this existence be in peace with its Arab neighbours and particularly the Palestinians.

You should have included the option of Israel having the right to exist, but only within the borders approved by the UN General Assembly as part of resolution 181 issued on 29 Nov 47.

Since Israel has contravened the very lawful provisions of UN resolutions and continued their campaign of stealing Palestinian land, then Israel does not have the right to exist in it's present form.

The option is there !! IN ITS PRE 1967 STATE.
To be objective you have to abandon the hatred that you have exhibited all along for Israel.
My position has been consistent, that Israel has the right to exit in its pre 1967 borders and that it has the right to defend those borders. Hamas as well as Hezbollah are committed to the destruction of Israel . It will not happen , Israel will survive , with or without American support.
The Middle East needs to accept the reality of the Israeli existence just as Egypt has.

[Nikitas]

Anyone know how Israel went from a population of 1.8 million in the 60s to the 7 million today? Is their birth rate so high?

[Tim Drayton]

The question of whether Israel has a RIGHT to exist is a difficult one. What is clear to me is that it is a state with no natural allies and that attracts virtually no sympathy whatosever from world public opinion. It survives because of its usefulness to Anglo-American neo-imperialistic interests in the Middle East. If technological developments were to end the world's dependency on hydrocarbons for energy, Israel would pay the price for its arrogant refusal to develop good relations with its neighbours. It would cease to exist.

[Jerry]

Anyone know how Israel went from a population of 1.8 million in the 60s to the 7 million today? Is their birth rate so high?

Immigration, many were thrown out of USSR. I recall that at one stage there were fears that the Israeli arabs would "outbreed" the jews in a generation or two so they had to boost the population. I'm always surprised that so many israeli interviewees on TV and radio are quite obviously from the UK or US, it seems that they have a right to live their but Palestinians who had their homes there for generations do not; it reminds me of an island not far away.

[Jerry]

The question of whether Israel has a RIGHT to exist is a difficult one. What is clear to me is that it is a state with no natural allies and that attracts virtually no sympathy whatosever from world public opinion. It survives because of its usefulness to Anglo-American neo-imperialistic interests in the Middle East. If technological developments were to end the world's dependency on hydrocarbons for energy, Israel would pay the price for its arrogant refusal to develop good relations with its neighbours. It would cease to exist.

Tim, I think there are "powers" inside the US that would never allow that to happen. I think it only has a symbolic use for the US especially since it has nuclear weapons. Its real strength comes from the lobbyist and religious alliances in the US.

[Paphitis]

A unilaterally declared Virgin State built, in the main, on Stolen Lands with a very large part of the former Majority Population Expelled and made Refugees? (All with US support, sometimes open sometimes covert, since 1948.)

All sounds too close to home for me to support this state in its present form.

There is the option of supporting the right of Israel to exist in its pre 1967 borders.
The repetitive argument that Israel should not be there in the first place is an argument that is well and truly dead. Israel exists , it is also a nuclear power and will NEVER relinquish its right of existence , those that fail to see that are naive and treading on very dangerous ground. Let Iran or any other nation do what they preach .The question is how can this existence be in peace with its Arab neighbours and particularly the Palestinians.

You should have included the option of Israel having the right to exist, but only within the borders approved by the UN General Assembly as part of resolution 181 issued on 29 Nov 47.

Since Israel has contravened the very lawful provisions of UN resolutions and continued their campaign of stealing Palestinian land, then Israel does not have the right to exist in it's present form.

The option is there !! IN ITS PRE 1967 STATE.
To be objective you have to abandon the hatred that you have exhibited all along for Israel.
My position has been consistent, that Israel has the right to exit in its pre 1967 borders and that it has the right to defend those borders. Hamas as well as Hezbollah are committed to the destruction of Israel . It will not happen , Israel will survive , with or without American support.
The Middle East needs to accept the reality of the Israeli existence just as Egypt has.

Miltiades, you should have included the option of Israel having the right to exist as deemed by the UN General Assembly in 1947.

If you do not understand what that means, then I suggest you study these maps: