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[Viewpoint]

Even Denktash admits that the TCs and the Colonialists had the same aim: To oppress the Cypriot revolution for self-determination, and that is why the TCs joined the British in their attacks against Greek Cypriots.

GC self determination=union with Greece=TCs death warrant=TC fight for survival=TC the weaker side collaberate with Brits and Turks.

[zan]

Even Denktash admits that the TCs and the Colonialists had the same aim: To oppress the Cypriot revolution for self-determination, and that is why the TCs joined the British in their attacks against Greek Cypriots.

What would come with that part and parcel you idiot...ENOSIS by any chance.......The police officers armed...well thats a revelation


Legitimate police officers killed by murdering thugs...You seem to be happy with half truths baby....NO ONE IS LISTENING TO YOU...I told you that your persistence in this lie will see you make a fool of yourself and you have...

[Piratis]

So you admit that you supported the Colonial power to fight against the revolution of the native Cypriot people. Enough said.

There is no legitimacy in the rule of Colonial powers Zan. It is time for you and the rest of Turks to come out of the Middle Ages.

Viewpoint, union with Greece was a legitimate option. The UN resolution for decolonization clearly defines "integration into an independent State" as one of the "three legitimate options" for the people being decolonized to democratically choose from.
http://www.un.org/Depts/dpi/decolonizat ... ration.htm

Union with Greece did not mean a "death warrant" for the TC minority and this is just your lame excuses with imaginary scenarios. Rhodes which also has a Turkish minority joined Greece a few years earlier (1947) and nothing happened to the Turkish minority there. Also since the wars between Greece and Turkey ended, the Turks in Greece not only didn't die, but their numbers have been steadily increasing, something which is in contrast to the massive decline of the Greek populations in Turkey.

So your excuse not only is imaginary, but it doesn't stand logically either.

The historical fact in this case (and your imaginary scenarios do not constitute a historical fact) is that as you admitted the TCs collaborated with the British and the Turks and attacked the Greek Cypriots. And this is exactly what I said.

[zan]

So you admit that you supported the Colonial power to fight against the revolution of the native Cypriot people. Enough said.

There is no legitimacy in the rule of Colonial powers Zan. It is time for you and the rest of Turks to come out of the Middle Ages.

Viewpoint, union with Greece was a legitimate option. The UN resolution for decolonization clearly defines "integration into an independent State" as one of the "three legitimate options" for the people being decolonized to democratically choose from.
http://www.un.org/Depts/dpi/decolonizat ... ration.htm

Union with Greece did not mean a "death warrant" for the TC minority and this is just your lame excuses with imaginary scenarios. Rhodes which also has a Turkish minority joined Greece a few years earlier (1947) and nothing happened to the Turkish minority there. Also since the wars between Greece and Turkey ended, the Turks in Greece not only didn't die, but their numbers have been steadily increasing, something which is in contrast to the massive decline of the Greek populations in Turkey.

So your excuse not only is imaginary, but it doesn't stand logically either.

The historical fact in this case (and your imaginary scenarios do not constitute a historical fact) is that as you admitted the TCs collaborated with the British and the Turks and attacked the Greek Cypriots. And this is exactly what I said.

We used what power we had to stop you signing over the island to Greece..You want to interpret it your way and show everyone the fool you are then that is your problem.....We never fought against having an independent island but against oppression from you and ENOSIS.....When the opportunity to sign as equals in an independent island came up we signed it.....I don't know who you are trying to fool but I can't think of a single person on this Forum who is listening to you...Except...maybe.....Oracle...But then desperation breeds....Thats all... Happy mating...

[Viewpoint]

So you admit that you supported the Colonial power to fight against the revolution of the native Cypriot people. Enough said.

There is no legitimacy in the rule of Colonial powers Zan. It is time for you and the rest of Turks to come out of the Middle Ages.

Viewpoint, union with Greece was a legitimate option. The UN resolution for decolonization clearly defines "integration into an independent State" as one of the "three legitimate options" for the people being decolonized to democratically choose from.
http://www.un.org/Depts/dpi/decolonizat ... ration.htm

Union with Greece did not mean a "death warrant" for the TC minority and this is just your lame excuses with imaginary scenarios. Rhodes which also has a Turkish minority joined Greece a few years earlier (1947) and nothing happened to the Turkish minority there. Also since the wars between Greece and Turkey ended, the Turks in Greece not only didn't die, but their numbers have been steadily increasing, something which is in contrast to the massive decline of the Greek populations in Turkey.

So your excuse not only is imaginary, but it doesn't stand logically either.

The historical fact in this case (and your imaginary scenarios do not constitute a historical fact) is that as you admitted the TCs collaborated with the British and the Turks and attacked the Greek Cypriots. And this is exactly what I said.

Look Piratis you cannot dismiss our not wanting to be part of Greece for fear of being anniahalated just like that, who do you think you are anyone who fears for their lives will fight to stay alive or against what they feel will place them in danger, we had to fight you and against your desires to place our future in the hands of Greeks who were not exactly loving towards anything Turkish.

If you are weak and outnumbered and do not have the means to take on the numerical majority what do you do? you look for allies to work with in order to survive and of course your nearest guardians were the Turks abd Brits who were also opposed to your evil plans to gift Cyprus to Greece and sign our death warrant.

Democracy in numbers does not always yield the right result for everyone eg Irans democratic right to cut theives hands off for stealing or to stone women that have commited adultry, do you agree with such decisions they were taken democratically just as you wish to do so when placing our heads on the chopping block.

[Piratis]

When Cyprus was under the British or Ottoman empires and you were treating us as slave subjects with less rights, everything was fine for you.

If the Cypriot people had democratically chosen union with Greece, then the Greek Cypriot majority and the Turkish Cypriot minority in Cyprus would continue to live on this island as they used to live under Ottoman or British rule, but this time as free equal citizens of the state they democratically chose to be part of, and not as subjects of a foreign empire impose on them by force.

How could it be fine for Cyprus to be under the British or Ottomans against the will of the vast majority of the Cypriot people, but not fine for Cyprus to be part of a free Greek state which is what Cypriots themselves wanted?

The fact remains: You collaborated with foreigners and attacked Greek Cypriots in order to deny the Cypriot people their right for self-determination.

That is how the conflict started.

[Piratis]

VP, you keep going on with imaginary scenarios about "death warrants" to excuse your attacks against innocent people which resulted in actual deaths and real suffering from both sides.

As I told you since the Greek-Turkish wars ended, the Turkish minority in Greece has been on the rise. Rhodes joined Greece in 1947 and nothing happened to the Turkish minority there. So cut the lame excuses using baseless imaginary scenarios and concentrate on the true historical facts.

The historical facts are:

1) The Cypriot people had the right to be de-colonized and the right for self-determination

2) if Cypriot people wanted they had the legitimate right (with a referendum) to use their self-determination to unite with Greece (http://www.un.org/Depts/dpi/decolonizat ... ration.htm)

3) The TCs collaborate with the British and the Turks and attacked the Greek Cypriots with the aim to deny to the Cypriot people their right for self-determination and have gains granted to them by foreigners on the expense of every other Cypriot. (as a reward for their collaboration)

[Viewpoint]

VP, you keep going on with imaginary scenarios about "death warrants" to excuse your attacks against innocent people which resulted in actual deaths and real suffering from both sides.

As I told you since the Greek-Turkish wars ended, the Turkish minority in Greece has been on the rise. Rhodes joined Greece in 1947 and nothing happened to the Turkish minority there. So cut the lame excuses using baseless imaginary scenarios and concentrate on the true historical facts.

The historical facts are:

1) The Cypriot people had the right to be de-colonized and the right for self-determination

2) if Cypriot people wanted they had the legitimate right (with a referendum) to use their self-determination to unite with Greece (http://www.un.org/Depts/dpi/decolonizat ... ration.htm)

3) The TCs collaborate with the British and the Turks and attacked the Greek Cypriots with the aim to deny to the Cypriot people their right for self-determination and have gains granted to them by foreigners on the expense of every other Cypriot. (as a reward for their collaboration)

Heinsight is a great thing but it does not take away from the fact that the fear and desire not to become Greece was not imaginary, the fact that you totally disregard these claims and the events thet followed to counter your "democratic right" shows your own arrogance and ignorance of what was really going on back then. Try moving forward, the TCs a large part of the population did not want to become part of Greece or Greek muslims or sign their own death warrants so they fought against being forced into a situation they did not want.

[Viewpoint]

When Cyprus was under the British or Ottoman empires and you were treating us as slave subjects with less rights, everything was fine for you.

If the Cypriot people had democratically chosen union with Greece, then the Greek Cypriot majority and the Turkish Cypriot minority in Cyprus would continue to live on this island as they used to live under Ottoman or British rule, but this time as free equal citizens of the state they democratically chose to be part of, and not as subjects of a foreign empire impose on them by force.

How could it be fine for Cyprus to be under the British or Ottomans against the will of the vast majority of the Cypriot people, but not fine for Cyprus to be part of a free Greek state which is what Cypriots themselves wanted?

The fact remains: You collaborated with foreigners and attacked Greek Cypriots in order to deny the Cypriot people their right for self-determination.

That is how the conflict started.

And we would do the same today if you were signing our death warrant by forcing us into a situation we did not want.

[Get Real!]

VP, you can only blame your leaders (Kucuk/Denktash/etc) for coming up with the “brilliant” idea for abandoning the government and taking up arms against someone who outnumbered you by 4/5 to 1!

What strategists!