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[Oracle]

Y oh Y oh Y ...

This is the idiot that thinks there are more than ONE countries that have Cyprus villages.

His partitionist agenda will come out drip by drip.

Y not! Y not! Y not!

Usual meaningful fantastic contribution as ever.

Congratulations.

Personal attacks are not allowed - Don't attack others. Personal attacks on others will not be tolerated. Challenge others' points of view and opinions, but do so respectfully and thoughtfully without insult and personal attack.

I thought you may find the first rule of this forum interesting, unless of course it is not Hellenistic in which case it will be ignored like everything else.

It's a personal attack (since you recognised yourself), only if untrue.

Perhaps you need to concentrate on more important rules, such as respecting the Government of the RoC before you hypocritically throw rules at others.

Only fascist mentality expects “no criticism” and complete obidiance for government not respect. In Cypriot democracy there is only one thing to respect and that is the respect of the will of the people on both sides of the divide whether we like or not. If an element of the Greek Cypriot community expects to return to 1960, then they are in for a shock. If only I had a magic wand and I could take Cyprus back to 1960 and prevent all that went on to bring us to this point, I would. But I don’t and it can’t be done. We will have to learn how to live together with as much interactions as both communities would allow. But I suspect there are elements in both communities that wish to wreck it completely.
Which one do you belong to O Goddess.
How wrong you can be. My whole family have been paid up members of CTP since it began. I would also like to remind you that in the illegal lands, CTP is the only serious electable party who preferred peace to war, opposition in dignity to in government like the ladies of the night. You now what I mean darling. Or should I find a Greek interpreter for you as you seem to find difficulty in understanding what I am saying.

Start contributing content to the debate or forever hold your peace madam.

Another pretentious pseud wanting a debate and so far having filled the forum with errors that others have had to bail him out of

The knee-jerk reactions of those losing the battle are to quote forum rules ... which you did! Then it is to resort to denigrating a fellow debater on the basis that they are female .... which you also did! Finally having flimsy ideas based on fabrications is a non-starter ... so go back to base!

If it's debate you want, stick to some truths; or you will go the way of your ally "Truth" who lasted 2 threads

Dearest Oracle.

You wanted a debate. You are just too scared to debate and resort to type. That’s understandable. Argue your points madam. One by one. Knock all my points down. But please leave out the debate you wanted about my knowledge of grammar and geography which I might add in truest Blackadder style is like a broken pencil. Pointless!

Don’t worry about me, I will last the distance, till the end of the negotiations and the vote, if it ever gets there. Once we finish this one, we will also debate the role of Hellenism within the Cyprus problem, as well as Helenism today, what kind of peace in Cyprus, Property issue, all non-Cypriots(Settlers inc.) etc etc etc.

So lets finish this one first, shall we?

Regards

... They all say that before they go off with a parting speech about how much of a"racist" I am

.... back to their ethnically cleansed, segregated, Turkish troop patrolled, stolen lands!

[YFred]

Y oh Y oh Y ...

This is the idiot that thinks there are more than ONE countries that have Cyprus villages.

His partitionist agenda will come out drip by drip.

Y not! Y not! Y not!

Usual meaningful fantastic contribution as ever.

Congratulations.

Personal attacks are not allowed - Don't attack others. Personal attacks on others will not be tolerated. Challenge others' points of view and opinions, but do so respectfully and thoughtfully without insult and personal attack.

I thought you may find the first rule of this forum interesting, unless of course it is not Hellenistic in which case it will be ignored like everything else.

It's a personal attack (since you recognised yourself), only if untrue.

Perhaps you need to concentrate on more important rules, such as respecting the Government of the RoC before you hypocritically throw rules at others.

Only fascist mentality expects “no criticism” and complete obidiance for government not respect. In Cypriot democracy there is only one thing to respect and that is the respect of the will of the people on both sides of the divide whether we like or not. If an element of the Greek Cypriot community expects to return to 1960, then they are in for a shock. If only I had a magic wand and I could take Cyprus back to 1960 and prevent all that went on to bring us to this point, I would. But I don’t and it can’t be done. We will have to learn how to live together with as much interactions as both communities would allow. But I suspect there are elements in both communities that wish to wreck it completely.
Which one do you belong to O Goddess.
How wrong you can be. My whole family have been paid up members of CTP since it began. I would also like to remind you that in the illegal lands, CTP is the only serious electable party who preferred peace to war, opposition in dignity to in government like the ladies of the night. You now what I mean darling. Or should I find a Greek interpreter for you as you seem to find difficulty in understanding what I am saying.

Start contributing content to the debate or forever hold your peace madam.

Another pretentious pseud wanting a debate and so far having filled the forum with errors that others have had to bail him out of

The knee-jerk reactions of those losing the battle are to quote forum rules ... which you did! Then it is to resort to denigrating a fellow debater on the basis that they are female .... which you also did! Finally having flimsy ideas based on fabrications is a non-starter ... so go back to base!

If it's debate you want, stick to some truths; or you will go the way of your ally "Truth" who lasted 2 threads

Dearest Oracle.

You wanted a debate. You are just too scared to debate and resort to type. That’s understandable. Argue your points madam. One by one. Knock all my points down. But please leave out the debate you wanted about my knowledge of grammar and geography which I might add in truest Blackadder style is like a broken pencil. Pointless!

Don’t worry about me, I will last the distance, till the end of the negotiations and the vote, if it ever gets there. Once we finish this one, we will also debate the role of Hellenism within the Cyprus problem, as well as Helenism today, what kind of peace in Cyprus, Property issue, all non-Cypriots(Settlers inc.) etc etc etc.

So lets finish this one first, shall we?

Regards

... They all say that before they go off with a parting speech about how much of a"racist" I am

.... back to their ethnically cleansed, segregated, Turkish troop patrolled, stolen lands!

Why am I not surprised? You will find me the same. I do not debate with racists either, not for long anyway. I sincerely hope that you are not one. In all our communication you have never declared what kind of peace you would like, if any?

I would be very interested to find out whether you see AKEL as openly Hellenist, latently Hellenist or Anti-Hellenist? In the south is there any other choice?
Which one are you, or are you going to dodge this one too?

Recently I had a bit of a shock to discover a much admired musician called Theodorakis declare himself as a Hellenist despite the fact that he declared himself to be a supporter of AKEL. I am struggling to understand the meaning of this.

PS. This is not about point scoring. I have a bit of an issue with your stolen lands comment. I don’t wont to have a debate as to who lost more. But I can assure you that personally my family lost the whole of our Trahones, Mallura and and Bodamya lands. Whilst our lands in Piroi were mined. Plus that we have not gained personally a single thing from the invasion. So if I sound a little insensitive about your losses, believe you me I understand. Secondly after 63, TC’s from 4 different villages Dali, Bodamya, Aysozomeno and Piroi were thrown out of their village and moved into ours, so I also understand fully the meaning of ethnic cleansing . In fact if Lurucadis did not got to rescue the Aysozomenos, there wouldn’t be one left today. This is well before 74. The difference between us is that you sound as though you don’t accept anything that your own side has done to the other. I do. Sooner we have a Truth commission in Cyprus, the sooner we would heal wounds.

This is not about point scoring. We must all listen to each other and our experiences. Otherwise the Greek Cypriots will make the same mistake next time we have a vote.

[Get Real!]

Secondly after 63, TC’s from 4 different villages Dali, Bodamya, Aysozomeno and Piroi were thrown out of their village and moved into ours, so I also understand fully the meaning of ethnic cleansing . In fact if Lurucadis did not got to rescue the Aysozomenos, there wouldn’t be one left today.

You are contradicting yourself... "thrown out" or "rescued from" ???

[YFred]

Secondly after 63, TC’s from 4 different villages Dali, Bodamya, Aysozomeno and Piroi were thrown out of their village and moved into ours, so I also understand fully the meaning of ethnic cleansing . In fact if Lurucadis did not got to rescue the Aysozomenos, there wouldn’t be one left today.

You are contradicting yourself... "thrown out" or "rescued from" ???

Ohps

[YFred]

Secondly after 63, TC’s from 4 different villages Dali, Bodamya, Aysozomeno and Piroi were thrown out of their village and moved into ours, so I also understand fully the meaning of ethnic cleansing . In fact if Lurucadis did not got to rescue the Aysozomenos, there wouldn’t be one left today.

You are contradicting yourself... "thrown out" or "rescued from" ???

Therein lies the Cyprus problem. Its both. Rescued just before being surrounded, and about to be killed. There were UN soldiers as witnesses. You can only live in denial for so long. Don’t just go by what you learn at school. Do some research and find out what actually took place at the local level. Village by village family by family. You will not have to do that many, you will see a pattern develop very quickly. I am not saying just Greeks did this. However in those villages it was GCs that ethnically cleansed TC’s.

Just came across a website of western newspaper cutting of the time. Its worthwhile having a look at!

http://www.tcn-cy.freeuk.com/Special2.htm

[Get Real!]

Therein lies the Cyprus problem. Its both. Rescued just before being surrounded, and about to be killed. There were UN soldiers as witnesses.

You poor little clown... the Ayios Sozomenos incidents happened in early Feb 1964 and therefore no UN presence was on Cyprus until some months later! Why do you lie?

You can only live in denial for so long. Don’t just go by what you learn at school.

I go by what I learn from CREDIBLE SOURCES whereas you go by what your peasant community tells you in the form of junk sites.

Do some research and find out what actually took place at the local level. Village by village family by family. You will not have to do that many, you will see a pattern develop very quickly. I am not saying just Greeks did this. However in those villages it was GCs that ethnically cleansed TC’s.

Ethnically cleansed eh? If anything it is YOU who needs to research so don't play the smart arse with me!

Just came across a website of western newspaper cutting of the time. Its worthwhile having a look at!
http://www.tcn-cy.freeuk.com/Special2.htm

You're making a complete fool of yourself suggesting people read from such garbage sites. This is a TIME Magazine article written by a foreign journalist at the time that tells the real story which I'm sure you won't like...

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/artic ... 34,00.html

[Piratis]

YFred, what is the point of crying about the consequences of the conflict when it is you how started the conflict?

When you attacked us in 1958 with the aim to assist the British to oppress our revolution for freedom and self-determination and have gains on our expense didn't it pass your mind that GCs would fight back and that you would also have casualties?

In the conflict there were casualties from both sides, but most importantly it is the TCs who started it. So stop presenting yourself as the victims just because you also had some casualties.

[zan]

YFred, what is the point of crying about the consequences of the conflict when it is you how started the conflict?

When you attacked us in 1958 with the aim to assist the British to oppress our revolution for freedom and self-determination and have gains on our expense didn't it pass your mind that GCs would fight back and that you would also have casualties?

In the conflict there were casualties from both sides, but most importantly it is the TCs who started it. So stop presenting yourself as the victims just because you also had some casualties.

Bir has told you that the first attacks were happening before then and where to TC policemen....EOKA killing TCs not as your little perverted version says mate.......You carry on even after you have been told the truth......NO ONE IS LISTENING TO YOU>>>YOU ARE A JOKE AND A LIAR>>>>

[Piratis]

YFred, what is the point of crying about the consequences of the conflict when it is you how started the conflict?

When you attacked us in 1958 with the aim to assist the British to oppress our revolution for freedom and self-determination and have gains on our expense didn't it pass your mind that GCs would fight back and that you would also have casualties?

In the conflict there were casualties from both sides, but most importantly it is the TCs who started it. So stop presenting yourself as the victims just because you also had some casualties.

Bir has told you that the first attacks were happening before then and where to TC policemen....EOKA killing TCs not as your little perverted version says mate.......You carry on even after you have been told the truth......NO ONE IS LISTENING TO YOU>>>YOU ARE A JOKE AND A LIAR>>>>

No mate. Those TCs joined the British forces, were armed, and their aim was to kill the GC fighters.

Here is a video for that as well.



You are the joke and the liar, so listen to the facts I give and educate yourself.

[Piratis]

Even Denktash admits that the TCs and the Colonialists had the same aim: To oppress the Cypriot revolution for self-determination, and that is why the TCs joined the British in their attacks against Greek Cypriots.