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[Pyrpolizer]

To make a long story short, any solution will involve some risks, for both sides. The mere Federal structure and the mere fact that no serious population movement will occur in the first few years, plus the EU membership is enough to turn those risks to the absolute minimum.

[Pyrpolizer]

If everyone had stuck to the agreement it would have worked but the GCs did not want it to work they even put forward the changes they demanded and unless those were met they would not play ball, this time if such an attmept is made the island should be divided fullstop no buts of ifs.

As if you were angels yourselves....

And what will happen if the GCs stick to the agreement and YOU start creating problems once again?

What will happen if we have Turkey as quarantor and she starts planting bombs killing TCs and then blaming the GCs?

Were we on speaking terms? can you refrain from responding to my posts.

But you were the one who addressed me on the first place!! Ain't that right Virgin Princess?

Btw no guy would ever say "are we 2 in speaking terms?" At least just stop pretending you are male my dear, that's ridiculous, i am very sorry i had to unveil you so many times in this forum.

[insan]

It will be a tragedy for us
to have the TCs be repaced by settlers, TCs are like us, the settlers are totally different culture and too many of them uneducated.

The vast majority of settlers arrived in 1974-78 and their numbers was abt 20-25k if im not mistaken. According to my observations of that times when i was living in Degirmenlik(Kitrium or stg like that in Greek), most of the settlers in my village were from either Kurdish origin Turks or from the Black sea region which their cultures were far from ours. They didn't even talk in Turkish. Abt 70% in their own language and and the rest half understandable Turkish. Especially the Kurdish originated Turks had many kids between 4-7. Others who settled from Black Sea region had kids between 1-3. It's been almost 30-35 years since their arrival. I have no idea how much their population increased during this time. The first settler group completely assimilated into Tc culture many years ago. Especially those who were yet kids.

The second wave of settlers arrive in early 90s that were mostly Arabic originated Turks. I don't have much idea abt them bcz at that time i was studying in Istanbul. There r some good ppl among them but in general i don't like them. However it's not because they r from any origin or from Turkey or bcz they have a different culture. Some personal reasons...

[Pyrpolizer]

When I was actively participating here there was a TC who estimated the settlers by the number of settler kids in his sons classroom. They were more unfortunately.

Someone told me a theory that we better let all the settlers stay. Accrording to this theory the more we are in Cyprus the better. I don' know...

Imo the settler issue has 3 serious effects a) it changes the demographics with whatever consequences that will have b)they hold GC properties and i don't think they easilyly let go. and c) many of them were given voting rights (see the Ann Plan voting percentages 33%!!! came from "TCs"= Real TCs+settlers.

One more huge obstacle to the solution.

[Get Real!]

Welcome back Pyro! Hope all is well with you...

[Pyrpolizer]

Thanks man, I lost my sleep tonight so i am having a pass from this small community. Nothing has changed this last year has it? Even VP remembered we had a divorce pending....

Hope everything is well ith you too mate.

So how is Boumboulina et al?

[insan]

When I was actively participating here there was a TC who estimated the settlers by the number of settler kids in his sons classroom. They were more unfortunately.

Someone told me a theory that we better let all the settlers stay. Accrording to this theory the more we are in Cyprus the better. I don' know....

I have no idea too. How did he come to such a conclusion?

Imo the settler issue has 3 serious effects a) it changes the demographics with whatever consequences that will have b)they hold GC properties and i don't think they easilyly let go. and c) many of them were given voting rights (see the Ann Plan voting percentages 33%!!! came from "TCs"= Real TCs+settlers...

I agree with u. However i have never focused much on any other aspects of Cyprus problem just bcz i have a strong conviction that ruling class of Hellenes(official, unofficial, inside or outside),will never accept TC community as a politically equal partner.

[Pyrpolizer]

Well, the theory says the more people we are in here, the stronger the economy, the bigger the circle of buy-sell- the bigger the consumption, the less the expense per capita forrunning the government etc. A capitalistic approach... who knows maybe it's true.

About the 2nd part, I know what you mean, but what other choice does the GC ruling class have? The refugee problem and their rights on their properties started getting out of control, the government behind which are all the ruling classes as you know has to go for it and seek a solution based on that.

Here's a friendly advice for your community. Don't advertise this "political equality" thing too much. Keep a low profile. After all there is no Federation/it is against it's very nature, where the Fed states are not politically equal.

If there will ever be a solution your side must also be WISE ENOUGH not to provoke the GCs. After some years and the economic boom, imagine they find oil as well- everybody will think this is the perfect system, and everybody will be happy.

The biggest problem is to come to the point we have an agreed solution, I am not optimistic, but then who knows, sometimes miracles happen...

Goodnight, nice talking with you my friend maybe we talk again after some time.

[insan]

Well, the theory says the more people we are in here, the stronger the economy, the bigger the circle of buy-sell- the bigger the consumption, the less the expense per capita forrunning the government etc. A capitalistic approach... who knows maybe it's true.

About the 2nd part, I know what you mean, but what other choice does the GC ruling class have? The refugee problem and their rights on their properties started getting out of control, the government behind which are all the ruling classes as you know has to go for it and seek a solution based on that.

Here's a friendly advice for your community. Don't advertise this "political equality" thing too much. Keep a low profile. After all there is no Federation/it is against it's very nature, where the Fed states are not politically equal.

If there will ever be a solution your side must also be WISE ENOUGH not to provoke the GCs. After some years and the economic boom, imagine they find oil as well- everybody will think this is the perfect system, and everybody will be happy.

The biggest problem is to come to the point we have an agreed solution, I am not optimistic, but then who knows, sometimes miracles happen...

Goodnight, nice talking with you my friend maybe we talk again after some time.

^^ Ok my friend Pyrpolizer. I sensed an emphatic logic behind ur advice. Talk to u later. U too have a good night.

[BirKibrisli]

When I was actively participating here there was a TC who estimated the settlers by the number of settler kids in his sons classroom. They were more unfortunately.

Someone told me a theory that we better let all the settlers stay. Accrording to this theory the more we are in Cyprus the better. I don' know...

Imo the settler issue has 3 serious effects a) it changes the demographics with whatever consequences that will have b)they hold GC properties and i don't think they easilyly let go. and c) many of them were given voting rights (see the Ann Plan voting percentages 33%!!! came from "TCs"= Real TCs+settlers.

One more huge obstacle to the solution.

Delighted to see you back,dear Pyro...You were greatly missed....

I read somewhere recently that the percentage of settlers kids in the biggest primary school in Nicosia (Ataturk Primary,withing the walls) is pushing 95%....

I also heard from the horse's mouth (a primary-school teacher relative of mine,who works in Omorpho) that even in Morphou the percentage is pushing 60...

My educated guess of the real TC numbers is about 80,000....And there are at least 300,000 settlers,not all with citizenship rights...

This is a tragedy- in- waiting for the TCs and for for the solution prospects...The present government did its best not to grant too many citizenships to the settlers,but they are not going anywhere fast...
Socially,the problem shows itself in forum of "gettos" of people vastly different to the TCs whose primary source of influence is the Turkish government...Politically this robs the TCs of their own will and right of self-determination....This problem should be addressed very quickly before it is too late...