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Political Equality for 2 major communities of Cyprus

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Postby insan » Sat Jan 10, 2009 7:58 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:Happy new year to people in here that I like.
Same to those I dislike.
Same to those I don’t know.
Same to those I bittered, and then regreted.
Same to those I bittered, but never regreted.
Happy new year to the winner of the stupid-idiot award too, (…what was his name?) :wink:

Anyways, the matter and the meaning of the political equality within the Federal structure has already been agreed and it is this:

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Hope this clears up some funny ideas most TCs have about this concept. The same goes for some GC stomachs who refuse to digest it.


That is what vast majority of TCs ask for. What funny TC ideas u came across abt political equality of 2 communities, can u tell us plz?

"Mehmet Ali Talat: “This is a very important question, a new partnership state will be formed and this partnership state will be based on the political equality of Turkish Cypriots and Greek Cypriots. Political equality does not mean numerical equality, but it means effective participation to the decision making and to the implementation. A federal state based on bi-zonality and political equality of the two peoples. This is very crucial for Turkish Cypriot.” "

http://www.euronews.net/en/article/29/0 ... ali-talat/
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Postby Pyrpolizer » Sat Jan 10, 2009 8:20 pm

insan wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:Happy new year to people in here that I like.
Same to those I dislike.
Same to those I don’t know.
Same to those I bittered, and then regreted.
Same to those I bittered, but never regreted.
Happy new year to the winner of the stupid-idiot award too, (…what was his name?) :wink:

Anyways, the matter and the meaning of the political equality within the Federal structure has already been agreed and it is this:

Image


Hope this clears up some funny ideas most TCs have about this concept. The same goes for some GC stomachs who refuse to digest it.


That is what vast majority of TCs ask for. What funny TC ideas u came across abt political equality of 2 communities, can u tell us plz?

"Mehmet Ali Talat: “This is a very important question, a new partnership state will be formed and this partnership state will be based on the political equality of Turkish Cypriots and Greek Cypriots. Political equality does not mean numerical equality, but it means effective participation to the decision making and to the implementation. A federal state based on bi-zonality and political equality of the two peoples. This is very crucial for Turkish Cypriot.” "

http://www.euronews.net/en/article/29/0 ... ali-talat/


The funny ideas that political equality means 50-50%, the funny ideas that they will have a separate state (do they really know what a Federal state is after all) and many others that derive from those.
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Postby insan » Sat Jan 10, 2009 8:55 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:
insan wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:Happy new year to people in here that I like.
Same to those I dislike.
Same to those I don’t know.
Same to those I bittered, and then regreted.
Same to those I bittered, but never regreted.
Happy new year to the winner of the stupid-idiot award too, (…what was his name?) :wink:

Anyways, the matter and the meaning of the political equality within the Federal structure has already been agreed and it is this:

Image


Hope this clears up some funny ideas most TCs have about this concept. The same goes for some GC stomachs who refuse to digest it.


That is what vast majority of TCs ask for. What funny TC ideas u came across abt political equality of 2 communities, can u tell us plz?

"Mehmet Ali Talat: “This is a very important question, a new partnership state will be formed and this partnership state will be based on the political equality of Turkish Cypriots and Greek Cypriots. Political equality does not mean numerical equality, but it means effective participation to the decision making and to the implementation. A federal state based on bi-zonality and political equality of the two peoples. This is very crucial for Turkish Cypriot.” "

http://www.euronews.net/en/article/29/0 ... ali-talat/


The funny ideas that political equality means 50-50%, the funny ideas that they will have a separate state (do they really know what a Federal state is after all) and many others that derive from those.


Vast majority of pro-solution(based on political equality of 2 communities), intellectual TCs r well aware what it is. Some others r pro-confederation and some others don't have ability to analyze what it is so that only follow either parties according to their political attitude.

As to the 50%-50% issue; sure not numerical basis on everything but regarding the common interests of 2 communities i believe it should be on 50%-50% basis which means majority vote/agreement from the 2 respective communities. No? Otherwise what's the meaning of political equality of 2 communities?
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Postby Oracle » Sat Jan 10, 2009 9:16 pm

insan wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:
insan wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:Happy new year to people in here that I like.
Same to those I dislike.
Same to those I don’t know.
Same to those I bittered, and then regreted.
Same to those I bittered, but never regreted.
Happy new year to the winner of the stupid-idiot award too, (…what was his name?) :wink:

Anyways, the matter and the meaning of the political equality within the Federal structure has already been agreed and it is this:

Image


Hope this clears up some funny ideas most TCs have about this concept. The same goes for some GC stomachs who refuse to digest it.


That is what vast majority of TCs ask for. What funny TC ideas u came across abt political equality of 2 communities, can u tell us plz?

"Mehmet Ali Talat: “This is a very important question, a new partnership state will be formed and this partnership state will be based on the political equality of Turkish Cypriots and Greek Cypriots. Political equality does not mean numerical equality, but it means effective participation to the decision making and to the implementation. A federal state based on bi-zonality and political equality of the two peoples. This is very crucial for Turkish Cypriot.” "

http://www.euronews.net/en/article/29/0 ... ali-talat/


The funny ideas that political equality means 50-50%, the funny ideas that they will have a separate state (do they really know what a Federal state is after all) and many others that derive from those.


Vast majority of pro-solution(based on political equality of 2 communities), intellectual TCs r well aware what it is. Some others r pro-confederation and some others don't have ability to analyze what it is so that only follow either parties according to their political attitude.

As to the 50%-50% issue; sure not numerical basis on everything but regarding the common interests of 2 communities i believe it should be on 50%-50% basis which means majority vote/agreement from the 2 respective communities. No? Otherwise what's the meaning of political equality of 2 communities?


Precisely! ... There is no meaning to political equality between two groups, one of which is represented by 85% of the civilians and the other by a mere, laughable 12%. Wake up, you are a tiny proportion of a multicultural society. Accept, and fit in; otherwise depart for more suitable political climes :D
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Postby insan » Sat Jan 10, 2009 9:27 pm

Oracle wrote:
insan wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:
insan wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:Happy new year to people in here that I like.
Same to those I dislike.
Same to those I don’t know.
Same to those I bittered, and then regreted.
Same to those I bittered, but never regreted.
Happy new year to the winner of the stupid-idiot award too, (…what was his name?) :wink:

Anyways, the matter and the meaning of the political equality within the Federal structure has already been agreed and it is this:

Image


Hope this clears up some funny ideas most TCs have about this concept. The same goes for some GC stomachs who refuse to digest it.


That is what vast majority of TCs ask for. What funny TC ideas u came across abt political equality of 2 communities, can u tell us plz?

"Mehmet Ali Talat: “This is a very important question, a new partnership state will be formed and this partnership state will be based on the political equality of Turkish Cypriots and Greek Cypriots. Political equality does not mean numerical equality, but it means effective participation to the decision making and to the implementation. A federal state based on bi-zonality and political equality of the two peoples. This is very crucial for Turkish Cypriot.” "

http://www.euronews.net/en/article/29/0 ... ali-talat/


The funny ideas that political equality means 50-50%, the funny ideas that they will have a separate state (do they really know what a Federal state is after all) and many others that derive from those.


Vast majority of pro-solution(based on political equality of 2 communities), intellectual TCs r well aware what it is. Some others r pro-confederation and some others don't have ability to analyze what it is so that only follow either parties according to their political attitude.

As to the 50%-50% issue; sure not numerical basis on everything but regarding the common interests of 2 communities i believe it should be on 50%-50% basis which means majority vote/agreement from the 2 respective communities. No? Otherwise what's the meaning of political equality of 2 communities?


Precisely! ... There is no meaning to political equality between two groups, one of which is represented by 85% of the civilians and the other by a mere, laughable 12%. Wake up, you are a tiny proportion of a multicultural society. Accept, and fit in; otherwise depart for more suitable political climes :D


Ok, dear. I got ur absolute political colour. I respect :wink: Keep believeing and defendin whatever u like. :) Can u tell me which political GC party u vote for usually, if u don't mind. Diko, Dissy? Can't be Akel, i'm sure. And may i ask how old u r? :)
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Postby Oracle » Sat Jan 10, 2009 9:33 pm

insan wrote:
Oracle wrote:
insan wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:
insan wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:Happy new year to people in here that I like.
Same to those I dislike.
Same to those I don’t know.
Same to those I bittered, and then regreted.
Same to those I bittered, but never regreted.
Happy new year to the winner of the stupid-idiot award too, (…what was his name?) :wink:

Anyways, the matter and the meaning of the political equality within the Federal structure has already been agreed and it is this:

Image


Hope this clears up some funny ideas most TCs have about this concept. The same goes for some GC stomachs who refuse to digest it.


That is what vast majority of TCs ask for. What funny TC ideas u came across abt political equality of 2 communities, can u tell us plz?

"Mehmet Ali Talat: “This is a very important question, a new partnership state will be formed and this partnership state will be based on the political equality of Turkish Cypriots and Greek Cypriots. Political equality does not mean numerical equality, but it means effective participation to the decision making and to the implementation. A federal state based on bi-zonality and political equality of the two peoples. This is very crucial for Turkish Cypriot.” "

http://www.euronews.net/en/article/29/0 ... ali-talat/


The funny ideas that political equality means 50-50%, the funny ideas that they will have a separate state (do they really know what a Federal state is after all) and many others that derive from those.


Vast majority of pro-solution(based on political equality of 2 communities), intellectual TCs r well aware what it is. Some others r pro-confederation and some others don't have ability to analyze what it is so that only follow either parties according to their political attitude.

As to the 50%-50% issue; sure not numerical basis on everything but regarding the common interests of 2 communities i believe it should be on 50%-50% basis which means majority vote/agreement from the 2 respective communities. No? Otherwise what's the meaning of political equality of 2 communities?


Precisely! ... There is no meaning to political equality between two groups, one of which is represented by 85% of the civilians and the other by a mere, laughable 12%. Wake up, you are a tiny proportion of a multicultural society. Accept, and fit in; otherwise depart for more suitable political climes :D


Ok, dear. I got ur absolute political colour. I respect :wink: Keep believeing and defendin whatever u like. :) Can u tell me which political GC party u vote for usually, if u don't mind. Diko, Dissy? Can't be Akel, i'm sure. And may i ask how old u r? :)


Why are you so desperate to attach labels? For a liberal you sure are "highly strung" ... :lol:

(But my father was AKEL .. and he died an unhappy man at what the TCs allowed to happen in Cyprus ... though he never spoke a bad word against them!)
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Postby Pyrpolizer » Sat Jan 10, 2009 9:36 pm

You are dragging me into a long discussion, that I really want to avoid....

I spoke for "most" TCs because yes most TCs are either pro some very lose confederation, or agreed partition, or even better some miracle of recognition to come in 100-200 years when everybody forgets (by quote of VP). I leave aside your "New Cypriot s" the settlers i.e who currently outnumber you by 7 to 6, so what about them-tell me now they are pro solution ... :-)


From glimses of quotes by Christofias it seems Talat himself is targetting confederation, which turns the matter of political equality very close to 50-50 on everything and the matter of solution very close to partition, and, and and... Do I need to say more?
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Postby Oracle » Sat Jan 10, 2009 9:46 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:You are dragging me into a long discussion, that I really want to avoid....

I spoke for "most" TCs because yes most TCs are either pro some very lose confederation, or agreed partition, or even better some miracle of recognition to come in 100-200 years when everybody forgets (by quote of VP). I leave aside your "New Cypriot s" the settlers i.e who currently outnumber you by 7 to 6, so what about them-tell me now they are pro solution ... :-)


From glimses of quotes by Christofias it seems Talat himself is targetting confederation, which turns the matter of political equality very close to 50-50 on everything and the matter of solution very close to partition, and, and and... Do I need to say more?


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Postby insan » Sat Jan 10, 2009 9:54 pm

I miss good all times of Cyprus Forum where it was possible to discuss issues, open-mindedly with at least 4 or 5 GCs. I miss Michalis, Alexandros Lordos, St Jimmy... although Bananiot is here he sounds almost inactive :s
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Postby Pyrpolizer » Sat Jan 10, 2009 10:03 pm

Oracle wrote:Precisely! ... There is no meaning to political equality between two groups, one of which is represented by 85% of the civilians and the other by a mere, laughable 12%. Wake up, you are a tiny proportion of a multicultural society. Accept, and fit in; otherwise depart for more suitable political climes :D


Where did you get those numbers from?
a)Last official census GC 78% TCs 18% others 4%.

b)Anan plan voting: The number of "TC" votes where about 33%!!! of the GC votes. Of course "TC" = TC + setlers who voted

Regardless, an 18% population even under normal conditions is not something you can ignore.You need some possitive discrimination to fix things. The situation we are now is far from normal, so the concept of political equality (as described by UN resolutions) under a Federal structure, is the equivalent of THAT possitive discrimination.

I am very sorry to say that unfortunately the majority of TCs, did not appreciate this GC concession, and they think they can go even further from that...
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