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[BirKibrisli]

The self-defeating aim of “enosis with mummy“, that most leaders of the time aspired, is what ruined Cyprus.

The only justification they had was not knowing any better due to their lack of education back then, but what’s the excuse with otherwise “intelligent” people TODAY???

The fact that certain "otherwise intelligent" people still insist that Cyprus is Greek,perhaps??????? What is their excuse?????

I agree with your gripe and that’s what I’m talking about… what makes someone issue such ignorant statements having seen the calamity that befell on Cyprus in the past from the very same logic?

I am glad we ocassionally agree on something,GR!

The root of all evil is this fanatical ethno-centric nationalism...

It must be burnt at the stake...

[Get Real!]

The self-defeating aim of “enosis with mummy“, that most leaders of the time aspired, is what ruined Cyprus.

The only justification they had was not knowing any better due to their lack of education back then, but what’s the excuse with otherwise “intelligent” people TODAY???

The fact that certain "otherwise intelligent" people still insist that Cyprus is Greek,perhaps??????? What is their excuse?????

I agree with your gripe and that’s what I’m talking about… what makes someone issue such ignorant statements having seen the calamity that befell on Cyprus in the past from the very same logic?

I am glad we ocassionally agree on something,GR!

The root of all evil is this fanatical ethno-centric nationalism...

It must be burnt at the stake...

Having premature ejaculations over another country (enosis) is NOT nationalism but treason.

Nationalism is what Cyprus needs...

[Kikapu]

You could say that the TCs are the heros in all of this...Look at how much opposition we had...Thank heavens for Dr. Kucuk and Denktas!!!

Kikapu

WHAT !

Your posts just confirms that it was a mistake for the TC's to withdraw from the RoC and not return back as Inönu BEGGED them to do so, which gave Makarios a free hand to do what he wanted, no matter how much of a HERO you see Küçük and Denktash in making that decision.! What more can I say, Zan.?

"Timing these Greek-Cypriot tactics is interesting. Makarios apparently fully understands that (1) Turk-Cypriots could strengthen their case and weaken his by participation, (2) that such participation was not likely while security forces were primarily GOC and British, and (3) that formal establishment UNFICYP is strategic moment for Kutchuk to insist on participation. He appears to have made moves re Denktash and acting minister appointments to goad Turks into frittering away energies in protests and legal arguments until opportunity has passed. Makarios' tactics will probably succeed if Turk-Cypriots continue to sit on hands and feel sorry for themselves.

If Kutchuk would return to his office because of UN presence, he could be serious embarrassment to Makarios. Even if Makarios could insist successfully that all measures of GOC taken during Kutchuk's absence are legal and not subject to Vice-President's veto, he would have difficulty not forwarding future bills or measures to Kutchuk as required by constitution. His only effective alternatives would appear to be: (1) to maintain that Kutchuk was rebel who tried to set up separate Turk-Cypriot administration and therefore had lost authority in government (difficult argument to sustain if GOC has, as it claims, been sending invitations to Kutchuk and other Turk-Cypriot officials to attend scheduled meetings) or (2) to maneuver Turk-Cypriots into holding back from participation until too late.

He appears to be operating under second alternative. With each passing day that his tactics perpetuate Turk-Cypriots boycott of government, he increases general acceptance GOC as presently constituted, strengthens his contention that Turk-Cypriots are insurgents and weakens ability UN to remain neutral between two communities.

In this connection, British Embassy informs us GOT has asked HMG to intercede with Makarios and protest to UNSYG on behalf Denktash. HMG has informed GOT British forces Cyprus part of UNFICYP and they cannot make independent intercessions with GOC. (FYI. UKUN, however, has been instructed to call Denktash problem to attention SYG on humanitarian grounds. End FYI.) Turk Embassy informed Dept of GOT concern re Denktash but made no request for USUN action and Dept plans none."

When you finish reading your little American war story comics in which everything is done right...In hindsight, then perhaps you can start to read some adult literature that tell of wars as they are....Nothing is for sure and mistakes are made...Especially with the Americans causing more deaths to their own than the enemy...

I don't know what you are talking about, Zan.!

Makarios put every opstacle in the way and when they did finally try to return they were met by armed guards and a GC person in their place...

I did not read this in anything that you have provided. Did you forget it by any chance.! The nearest thing to the above is what you gave us

"This took form of maintaining that until such time as there was political settlement satisfactory to Greeks or at least until Turkish community here recognized fact that GOC was undisputed government, there was no possibility of Turkish Ministers or even Turkish civil servants returning to work. Mrs. Soulioti said that she did not go this far, but that unless there was freedom of access for Greeks who have legitimate business in present Turkish-controlled areas. (i.e., area north of Nicosia and Kyrenia Road), she saw no reason why Turks should be allowed come back to work in government in Greek area. (This strong attitude reflects position taken by Makarios in farewell conversation with Ambassador Wilkins and me reported in Embtel 1060.)/3/"

The constitution was never changed only on paper...It is not adhered to otherwise the "RoC" could not function..Now come back and tell me "What else could they do"...You have always been a defender of the politically wrong Greeks...I would expect no more....

Then stop repeating the same misinformation that the constitution was altered.

As I gave you an football analogy few weeks ago. If some members of the team refuses to play and walks off the pitch middle of the game, the team plays on with the rest of the players. The GC's chose to continue to play, and we the TC's, became spectators from the sideline. We are now once again wanting to be part of the team, so lets see what will be the terms of the rules this time around.!

Inönu must have understood the situation on the ground no matter what the difficulties for the TC's ministers might have been, but he also knew damn well, that the TC's needed to get back ito the RoC government and they did not. Don't you think Turkey could have used it's guarantor powers to make sure that the TC ministers were allow to continue being part of the government if in fact they were being pushed around by Makarios, but when the TC's refused to go back, there was nothing Turkey could have done. Obviously, there were bigger and better things in the minds of the TC ministers that would require Turkey's help later on and did not need her help top get back in the RoC government.

You don't even answer the whole post...Just one little line of my own comment and think you have done the job......

You gave us plenty, Zan....thank you.!

Inönu was right to be concerned by the TC's ministers refusal to go back to the RoC government, and because of those mistakes, they haunt the TC's in their isolated "trnc" today.!

[zan]

You could say that the TCs are the heros in all of this...Look at how much opposition we had...Thank heavens for Dr. Kucuk and Denktas!!!

Kikapu

WHAT !

Your posts just confirms that it was a mistake for the TC's to withdraw from the RoC and not return back as Inönu BEGGED them to do so, which gave Makarios a free hand to do what he wanted, no matter how much of a HERO you see Küçük and Denktash in making that decision.! What more can I say, Zan.?

"Timing these Greek-Cypriot tactics is interesting. Makarios apparently fully understands that (1) Turk-Cypriots could strengthen their case and weaken his by participation, (2) that such participation was not likely while security forces were primarily GOC and British, and (3) that formal establishment UNFICYP is strategic moment for Kutchuk to insist on participation. He appears to have made moves re Denktash and acting minister appointments to goad Turks into frittering away energies in protests and legal arguments until opportunity has passed. Makarios' tactics will probably succeed if Turk-Cypriots continue to sit on hands and feel sorry for themselves.

If Kutchuk would return to his office because of UN presence, he could be serious embarrassment to Makarios. Even if Makarios could insist successfully that all measures of GOC taken during Kutchuk's absence are legal and not subject to Vice-President's veto, he would have difficulty not forwarding future bills or measures to Kutchuk as required by constitution. His only effective alternatives would appear to be: (1) to maintain that Kutchuk was rebel who tried to set up separate Turk-Cypriot administration and therefore had lost authority in government (difficult argument to sustain if GOC has, as it claims, been sending invitations to Kutchuk and other Turk-Cypriot officials to attend scheduled meetings) or (2) to maneuver Turk-Cypriots into holding back from participation until too late.

He appears to be operating under second alternative. With each passing day that his tactics perpetuate Turk-Cypriots boycott of government, he increases general acceptance GOC as presently constituted, strengthens his contention that Turk-Cypriots are insurgents and weakens ability UN to remain neutral between two communities.

In this connection, British Embassy informs us GOT has asked HMG to intercede with Makarios and protest to UNSYG on behalf Denktash. HMG has informed GOT British forces Cyprus part of UNFICYP and they cannot make independent intercessions with GOC. (FYI. UKUN, however, has been instructed to call Denktash problem to attention SYG on humanitarian grounds. End FYI.) Turk Embassy informed Dept of GOT concern re Denktash but made no request for USUN action and Dept plans none."

When you finish reading your little American war story comics in which everything is done right...In hindsight, then perhaps you can start to read some adult literature that tell of wars as they are....Nothing is for sure and mistakes are made...Especially with the Americans causing more deaths to their own than the enemy...

I don't know what you are talking about, Zan.!

Makarios put every opstacle in the way and when they did finally try to return they were met by armed guards and a GC person in their place...

I did not read this in anything that you have provided. Did you forget it by any chance.! The nearest thing to the above is what you gave us

"This took form of maintaining that until such time as there was political settlement satisfactory to Greeks or at least until Turkish community here recognized fact that GOC was undisputed government, there was no possibility of Turkish Ministers or even Turkish civil servants returning to work. Mrs. Soulioti said that she did not go this far, but that unless there was freedom of access for Greeks who have legitimate business in present Turkish-controlled areas. (i.e., area north of Nicosia and Kyrenia Road), she saw no reason why Turks should be allowed come back to work in government in Greek area. (This strong attitude reflects position taken by Makarios in farewell conversation with Ambassador Wilkins and me reported in Embtel 1060.)/3/"

The constitution was never changed only on paper...It is not adhered to otherwise the "RoC" could not function..Now come back and tell me "What else could they do"...You have always been a defender of the politically wrong Greeks...I would expect no more....

Then stop repeating the same misinformation that the constitution was altered.

As I gave you an football analogy few weeks ago. If some members of the team refuses to play and walks off the pitch middle of the game, the team plays on with the rest of the players. The GC's chose to continue to play, and we the TC's, became spectators from the sideline. We are now once again wanting to be part of the team, so lets see what will be the terms of the rules this time around.!

Inönu must have understood the situation on the ground no matter what the difficulties for the TC's ministers might have been, but he also knew damn well, that the TC's needed to get back ito the RoC government and they did not. Don't you think Turkey could have used it's guarantor powers to make sure that the TC ministers were allow to continue being part of the government if in fact they were being pushed around by Makarios, but when the TC's refused to go back, there was nothing Turkey could have done. Obviously, there were bigger and better things in the minds of the TC ministers that would require Turkey's help later on and did not need her help top get back in the RoC government.

You don't even answer the whole post...Just one little line of my own comment and think you have done the job......

You gave us plenty, Zan....thank you.!

Inönu was right to be concerned by the TC's ministers refusal to go back to the RoC government, and because of those mistakes, they haunt the TC's in their isolated "trnc" today.!

what you mean is that you did not go to the link and read all the document....Uninformed and still arguing.......Proves your one track mind...

[Kikapu]

Well. What was expectation of Makarios and his backing crew when they prepared those 13 amendments? Have u any idea? Under todays circumstances we may say even though u knew it will be a waste of time to sit down in the parliament, calmly; keep playing the game and see what will happen. Yeah, if i were Kuchuk i would do that. To guess the Kuchuk's and his crew's psychology and mentality under those conditions; we need to know all the datails of political life and what was going on in the background of both parties during 1960-63 period. It's easy to summarize the events of 1963 as Makarios put forward 13 amendments for discussion and TCs ran away from the RoC to create and excuse for partition.

That's right Insan, you and I don't know what was going on at the time and for you to make assumptions is pointless. The person who was in a position to know would have been Inönu and Küçük, and Inönu told Küçük to go back to the RoC government according to the letters because he must have had his good reasons. Küçük also had his reasons for not going back, but not necessarily for the same reasons that Inönu had.

[Kikapu]

You could say that the TCs are the heros in all of this...Look at how much opposition we had...Thank heavens for Dr. Kucuk and Denktas!!!

Kikapu

WHAT !

Your posts just confirms that it was a mistake for the TC's to withdraw from the RoC and not return back as Inönu BEGGED them to do so, which gave Makarios a free hand to do what he wanted, no matter how much of a HERO you see Küçük and Denktash in making that decision.! What more can I say, Zan.?

"Timing these Greek-Cypriot tactics is interesting. Makarios apparently fully understands that (1) Turk-Cypriots could strengthen their case and weaken his by participation, (2) that such participation was not likely while security forces were primarily GOC and British, and (3) that formal establishment UNFICYP is strategic moment for Kutchuk to insist on participation. He appears to have made moves re Denktash and acting minister appointments to goad Turks into frittering away energies in protests and legal arguments until opportunity has passed. Makarios' tactics will probably succeed if Turk-Cypriots continue to sit on hands and feel sorry for themselves.

If Kutchuk would return to his office because of UN presence, he could be serious embarrassment to Makarios. Even if Makarios could insist successfully that all measures of GOC taken during Kutchuk's absence are legal and not subject to Vice-President's veto, he would have difficulty not forwarding future bills or measures to Kutchuk as required by constitution. His only effective alternatives would appear to be: (1) to maintain that Kutchuk was rebel who tried to set up separate Turk-Cypriot administration and therefore had lost authority in government (difficult argument to sustain if GOC has, as it claims, been sending invitations to Kutchuk and other Turk-Cypriot officials to attend scheduled meetings) or (2) to maneuver Turk-Cypriots into holding back from participation until too late.

He appears to be operating under second alternative. With each passing day that his tactics perpetuate Turk-Cypriots boycott of government, he increases general acceptance GOC as presently constituted, strengthens his contention that Turk-Cypriots are insurgents and weakens ability UN to remain neutral between two communities.

In this connection, British Embassy informs us GOT has asked HMG to intercede with Makarios and protest to UNSYG on behalf Denktash. HMG has informed GOT British forces Cyprus part of UNFICYP and they cannot make independent intercessions with GOC. (FYI. UKUN, however, has been instructed to call Denktash problem to attention SYG on humanitarian grounds. End FYI.) Turk Embassy informed Dept of GOT concern re Denktash but made no request for USUN action and Dept plans none."

When you finish reading your little American war story comics in which everything is done right...In hindsight, then perhaps you can start to read some adult literature that tell of wars as they are....Nothing is for sure and mistakes are made...Especially with the Americans causing more deaths to their own than the enemy...

I don't know what you are talking about, Zan.!

Makarios put every opstacle in the way and when they did finally try to return they were met by armed guards and a GC person in their place...

I did not read this in anything that you have provided. Did you forget it by any chance.! The nearest thing to the above is what you gave us

"This took form of maintaining that until such time as there was political settlement satisfactory to Greeks or at least until Turkish community here recognized fact that GOC was undisputed government, there was no possibility of Turkish Ministers or even Turkish civil servants returning to work. Mrs. Soulioti said that she did not go this far, but that unless there was freedom of access for Greeks who have legitimate business in present Turkish-controlled areas. (i.e., area north of Nicosia and Kyrenia Road), she saw no reason why Turks should be allowed come back to work in government in Greek area. (This strong attitude reflects position taken by Makarios in farewell conversation with Ambassador Wilkins and me reported in Embtel 1060.)/3/"

The constitution was never changed only on paper...It is not adhered to otherwise the "RoC" could not function..Now come back and tell me "What else could they do"...You have always been a defender of the politically wrong Greeks...I would expect no more....

Then stop repeating the same misinformation that the constitution was altered.

As I gave you an football analogy few weeks ago. If some members of the team refuses to play and walks off the pitch middle of the game, the team plays on with the rest of the players. The GC's chose to continue to play, and we the TC's, became spectators from the sideline. We are now once again wanting to be part of the team, so lets see what will be the terms of the rules this time around.!

Inönu must have understood the situation on the ground no matter what the difficulties for the TC's ministers might have been, but he also knew damn well, that the TC's needed to get back ito the RoC government and they did not. Don't you think Turkey could have used it's guarantor powers to make sure that the TC ministers were allow to continue being part of the government if in fact they were being pushed around by Makarios, but when the TC's refused to go back, there was nothing Turkey could have done. Obviously, there were bigger and better things in the minds of the TC ministers that would require Turkey's help later on and did not need her help top get back in the RoC government.

You don't even answer the whole post...Just one little line of my own comment and think you have done the job......

You gave us plenty, Zan....thank you.!

Inönu was right to be concerned by the TC's ministers refusal to go back to the RoC government, and because of those mistakes, they haunt the TC's in their isolated "trnc" today.!

what you mean is that you did not go to the link and read all the document....Uninformed and still arguing.......Proves your one track mind...

I did go and read some, not all. I did not know that was the purpose anyway, since you gave us your best arguments with copy paste from that link, which supported more for the argument that TC ministers should have gone back per Inönu's instructions than not.!

[zan]

kikapu wrote:

No amendment was mentioned, because nothing was amended, but only proposed and to this day, it has still not been amended, therefore no veto was needed. The point of the letter Zan, was that Kucuk was told to go back to the RoC government by Inonu and he refused.

I have already said we made some mistakes Kikapu but Mkarios did not
help...In fact he did much more to make things worse and to achieve his goal of ENOSIS..

Timing these Greek-Cypriot tactics is interesting. Makarios apparently fully understands that (1) Turk-Cypriots could strengthen their case and weaken his by participation, (2) that such participation was not likely while security forces were primarily GOC and British, and (3) that formal establishment UNFICYP is strategic moment for Kutchuk to insist on participation. He appears to have made moves re Denktash and acting minister appointments to goad Turks into frittering away energies in protests and legal arguments until opportunity has passed. Makarios' tactics will probably succeed if Turk-Cypriots continue to sit on hands and feel sorry for themselves.

If Kutchuk would return to his office because of UN presence, he could be serious embarrassment to Makarios. Even if Makarios could insist successfully that all measures of GOC taken during Kutchuk's absence are legal and not subject to Vice-President's veto, he would have difficulty not forwarding future bills or measures to Kutchuk as required by constitution. His only effective alternatives would appear to be: (1) to maintain that Kutchuk was rebel who tried to set up separate Turk-Cypriot administration and therefore had lost authority in government (difficult argument to sustain if GOC has, as it claims, been sending invitations to Kutchuk and other Turk-Cypriot officials to attend scheduled meetings) or (2) to maneuver Turk-Cypriots into holding back from participation until too late.

He appears to be operating under second alternative. With each passing day that his tactics perpetuate Turk-Cypriots boycott of government, he increases general acceptance GOC as presently constituted, strengthens his contention that Turk-Cypriots are insurgents and weakens ability UN to remain neutral between two communities.

In this connection, British Embassy informs us GOT has asked HMG to intercede with Makarios and protest to UNSYG on behalf Denktash. HMG has informed GOT British forces Cyprus part of UNFICYP and they cannot make independent intercessions with GOC. (FYI. UKUN, however, has been instructed to call Denktash problem to attention SYG on humanitarian grounds. End FYI.) Turk Embassy informed Dept of GOT concern re Denktash but made no request for USUN action and Dept plans none.

And intents...

So much has happened since then to show that neither quality has many exponents on this unhappy island that another attempt at a patchwork solution can only breed further trouble. Situation obviously calls for drastic action involving major effort by NATO allies to support solution based on security needs of area, but also recognizing generally accepted democratic principle of majority rule.

Our own ideas as to once-for-all (para 5 Deptel 707) solution somewhat like Alexander's approach to Gordian Knot, although without resultant "partition" as in myth. Our recommendations will require considerable selling to GOT since we are proposing recognize Greek Cypriot ascendancy and intransigence and their insistence on a solution in accord with generally accepted standards of self-determination based on majority rule. On this basis following proposals submitted as outline of plan designed achieve over-all peace and security in area.

1. Constitutional framework providing for one person-one vote majority rule, with elections on basis of proportional representation.

2. Adequate safeguards for minorities (perhaps as with Swedes in Finland).

3. Cyprus to be tied to Greece either by enosis or in some "associated" status such as Puerto Rico. Greece would at minimum control foreign policy and defense, perhaps leaving other facets of government to Cypriots.

Would seem that only through some such device could GOT be convinced that security interests being preserved and safeguarded. Do not see how independent Cyprus with strong Communist Party organization could be accepted by Turks. Cyprus could continue to be "used" in one way or another as shuttlecock in Soviet-Western cold war in the area. Only as part of Greece and thereby included in NATO security system could GOT fears be mitigated. Part of such concept could be transferring of Izmir joint Greek-Turkish headquarters to one of British bases (probably Dhekelia) and UK giving up sovereignty over all or most of area in favor of NATO base on sovereign "Greek" territory.

Whatever Mediator may propose that would be acceptable to Greek Cypriots in their present ascendant position will require major selling effort with Turks, and in this respect Greek Ambassador Delivanis correct in his statement to Ambassador Wilkins (Embtel 1070)/3/ that US must play major persuasive role--but this does not mean that efforts other NATO partners will not be needed.

And more population exchange...

Further factor which Embassy considers essential to any lasting solution is some form of assisted emigration for Turks who are convinced they can no longer live with Greeks in Cyprus. This should involve setting up of commission to handle transfer of properties on equitable basis as well as other details of moves, including some provision for compensation for damages. Agree with Department's observations para 3 Deptel re best course of action for Mediator except with regards manner handling proposals once formulated. Experience with Cyprus "solutions" which presented publicly or leaked in some fashion not encouraging in past and no reason believe one or other side would not act same way now, particularly given existing inflamed and emotional situation.

Preventions...

This took form of maintaining that until such time as there was political settlement satisfactory to Greeks or at least until Turkish community here recognized fact that GOC was undisputed government, there was no possibility of Turkish Ministers or even Turkish civil servants returning to work. Mrs. Soulioti said that she did not go this far, but that unless there was freedom of access for Greeks who have legitimate business in present Turkish-controlled areas. (i.e., area north of Nicosia and Kyrenia Road), she saw no reason why Turks should be allowed come back to work in government in Greek area. (This strong attitude reflects position taken by Makarios in farewell conversation with Ambassador Wilkins and me reported in Embtel 1060.)/3/

http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ho/frus/johns ... i/4757.htm


You could say that the TCs are the heros in all of this...Look at how much opposition we had...Thank heavens for Dr. Kucuk and Denktas!!!

At best you can add Inönu's recommendations to the above facts Kikapu...Nothing more....Your fact does not over ride what actually happened at ground zero......

[BirKibrisli]

The self-defeating aim of “enosis with mummy“, that most leaders of the time aspired, is what ruined Cyprus.

The only justification they had was not knowing any better due to their lack of education back then, but what’s the excuse with otherwise “intelligent” people TODAY???

The fact that certain "otherwise intelligent" people still insist that Cyprus is Greek,perhaps??????? What is their excuse?????

I agree with your gripe and that’s what I’m talking about… what makes someone issue such ignorant statements having seen the calamity that befell on Cyprus in the past from the very same logic?

I am glad we ocassionally agree on something,GR!

The root of all evil is this fanatical ethno-centric nationalism...

It must be burnt at the stake...

Having premature ejaculations over another country (enosis) is NOT nationalism but treason.

Nationalism is what Cyprus needs...

Shit...that makes two things we agree upon...
I am starting to get worried

[insan]

Well. What was expectation of Makarios and his backing crew when they prepared those 13 amendments? Have u any idea? Under todays circumstances we may say even though u knew it will be a waste of time to sit down in the parliament, calmly; keep playing the game and see what will happen. Yeah, if i were Kuchuk i would do that. To guess the Kuchuk's and his crew's psychology and mentality under those conditions; we need to know all the datails of political life and what was going on in the background of both parties during 1960-63 period. It's easy to summarize the events of 1963 as Makarios put forward 13 amendments for discussion and TCs ran away from the RoC to create and excuse for partition.

That's right Insan, you and I don't know what was going on at the time and for you to make assumptions is pointless. The person who was in a position to know would have been Inönu and Küçük, and Inönu told Küçük to go back to the RoC government according to the letters because he must have had his good reasons. Küçük also had his reasons for not going back, but not necessarily for the same reasons that Inönu had.

Kikapu, have u a multi-lingual keyboard or is it set to Turkish?

[Kikapu]

Well. What was expectation of Makarios and his backing crew when they prepared those 13 amendments? Have u any idea? Under todays circumstances we may say even though u knew it will be a waste of time to sit down in the parliament, calmly; keep playing the game and see what will happen. Yeah, if i were Kuchuk i would do that. To guess the Kuchuk's and his crew's psychology and mentality under those conditions; we need to know all the datails of political life and what was going on in the background of both parties during 1960-63 period. It's easy to summarize the events of 1963 as Makarios put forward 13 amendments for discussion and TCs ran away from the RoC to create and excuse for partition.

That's right Insan, you and I don't know what was going on at the time and for you to make assumptions is pointless. The person who was in a position to know would have been Inönu and Küçük, and Inönu told Küçük to go back to the RoC government according to the letters because he must have had his good reasons. Küçük also had his reasons for not going back, but not necessarily for the same reasons that Inönu had.

Kikapu, have u a multi-lingual keyboard or is it set to Turkish?

The key board is set for Geman (Switzerland), and some German umlauts ( ö, ü ) are same as Turkish. I wonder where the Turks got those from.

Of course, Germans do not use the letter "ç", so I'm surprised that's there. Perhaps it is used in French, Italian or Romansch, the other official languages here.!