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[Tim Drayton]

Where does it say that the GCs can run the CYPRUS REPUBLIC on its own????
You have all the fee speech hat you require...When it comes to slagging off others in the "RoC"......

Zan,

I think you missed this thread last week. What do you think of the letter from Inonu to Kücük.?

Askimwos, what you wrote about the mother countries is basically true. However, I have just read a letter sent by Inonu, Prime Minister of Turkey, to Kucuk, the leader of the Turkish Cypriot community, in March 1964. Inonu was begging the Turkish Cypriots to return to the RoC! Kucuk, a moderate politician, replied that the Turkish Cypriots would rather emigrate to Turkey than return.

How do you explain this? How does anyone explain this?

I have just been reading Arif Hasan Tahsin's latest book about the recent history of Cyprus (actually a collection of a long series of newspaper articles). In it he stresses several times that, in his opinion, this letter from İnönü to Kutchuk, and Kutchuk's reply to this letter, constitute the two most important documents in Turkish Cypriot history since the republic was founded.

The complete texts of these documents are reproduced in this book. I think the following quote from İnönü's letter is very important [my translation]:


"Pursuant to a resolution passed by the Security Council, an international peace-keeping force will shortly be sent to Cyprus. We hope and desire that by this means it will be possible to establish security on the Island in the shortest possible space of time. After security has been established by this means, if the Turks persist in declining to assume their duties and positions within the Cyprus state, objections and complaints made by our side concerning the Greek Cypriots’ single-handed pursuit of state affairs to the detriment of the Turks’ rights and interests will not be countenanced by world public opinion. In addition to this, the single-handed domination of state affairs by the Greek Cypriots until such time as a final solution is found to the Cyprus problem will undoubtedly give rise to various restrictions as far as the rights and interests of the Turks are concerned.

Therefore, the taking of the necessary measures to establish security on the Island and, once these have been taken, the swiftest possible gradual return, beginning with the Vice-President and the Turkish Ministers, of all Turks to their positions within the state mechanism and their firm and tenacious opposition to the Greek Cypriots’ adverse activities from within the state mechanism will assist greatly towards the success of our national cause."


I can't help thinking that, in hindsight, he was right.

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... c&start=20

Did you make any comments about the letter and the article you quoted above kikapu?

If not, can you tell us your thoughts about both the "Inonu letter" and the article translated by Tim Drayton?

BTW, any links to the letter of the article? Credible links that is of course.

The full original Turkish texts of İnönü's letter and Dr. Kutchuk's reply to it are reproduced on pages 204-212 of the following book (ISBN 978-9963-9580-0-9). If I could ever find the time I would love to translate both documents and post them here, because I agree with Arif Hasan Tahsin that they are of great importance. His question of why they were kept secret from the Turkish Cypriot community for many years is in itself a pertinent one.

[Tim Drayton]

Where does it say that the GCs can run the CYPRUS REPUBLIC on its own????
You have all the fee speech hat you require...When it comes to slagging off others in the "RoC"......

Zan,

I think you missed this thread last week. What do you think of the letter from Inonu to Kücük.?

Askimwos, what you wrote about the mother countries is basically true. However, I have just read a letter sent by Inonu, Prime Minister of Turkey, to Kucuk, the leader of the Turkish Cypriot community, in March 1964. Inonu was begging the Turkish Cypriots to return to the RoC! Kucuk, a moderate politician, replied that the Turkish Cypriots would rather emigrate to Turkey than return.

How do you explain this? How does anyone explain this?

I have just been reading Arif Hasan Tahsin's latest book about the recent history of Cyprus (actually a collection of a long series of newspaper articles). In it he stresses several times that, in his opinion, this letter from İnönü to Kutchuk, and Kutchuk's reply to this letter, constitute the two most important documents in Turkish Cypriot history since the republic was founded.

The complete texts of these documents are reproduced in this book. I think the following quote from İnönü's letter is very important [my translation]:


"Pursuant to a resolution passed by the Security Council, an international peace-keeping force will shortly be sent to Cyprus. We hope and desire that by this means it will be possible to establish security on the Island in the shortest possible space of time. After security has been established by this means, if the Turks persist in declining to assume their duties and positions within the Cyprus state, objections and complaints made by our side concerning the Greek Cypriots’ single-handed pursuit of state affairs to the detriment of the Turks’ rights and interests will not be countenanced by world public opinion. In addition to this, the single-handed domination of state affairs by the Greek Cypriots until such time as a final solution is found to the Cyprus problem will undoubtedly give rise to various restrictions as far as the rights and interests of the Turks are concerned.

Therefore, the taking of the necessary measures to establish security on the Island and, once these have been taken, the swiftest possible gradual return, beginning with the Vice-President and the Turkish Ministers, of all Turks to their positions within the state mechanism and their firm and tenacious opposition to the Greek Cypriots’ adverse activities from within the state mechanism will assist greatly towards the success of our national cause."


I can't help thinking that, in hindsight, he was right.

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... c&start=20

I don't see any part of the quote mentioning the amendments that were made to the constitution that forced the TCs to defend their position...Niether did you bother to put that fact into your argument...Our veto was ignored......I wonder how the "RoC" would feel if the EU did the same to them....Perhaps, like Piratis has unwittingly dais...They would take what they have and tell them to stuff it.....

You must agree, though, that the preidctions made in this part of İnönü's letter have turned out to be absolutely correct.

[Get Real!]

The self-defeating aim of “enosis with mummy“, that most leaders of the time aspired, is what ruined Cyprus.

The only justification they had was not knowing any better due to their lack of education back then, but what’s the excuse with otherwise “intelligent” people TODAY???

[zan]

kikapu wrote:

No amendment was mentioned, because nothing was amended, but only proposed and to this day, it has still not been amended, therefore no veto was needed. The point of the letter Zan, was that Kucuk was told to go back to the RoC government by Inonu and he refused.

I have already said we made some mistakes Kikapu but Mkarios did not
help...In fact he did much more to make things worse and to achieve his goal of ENOSIS..

Timing these Greek-Cypriot tactics is interesting. Makarios apparently fully understands that (1) Turk-Cypriots could strengthen their case and weaken his by participation, (2) that such participation was not likely while security forces were primarily GOC and British, and (3) that formal establishment UNFICYP is strategic moment for Kutchuk to insist on participation. He appears to have made moves re Denktash and acting minister appointments to goad Turks into frittering away energies in protests and legal arguments until opportunity has passed. Makarios' tactics will probably succeed if Turk-Cypriots continue to sit on hands and feel sorry for themselves.

If Kutchuk would return to his office because of UN presence, he could be serious embarrassment to Makarios. Even if Makarios could insist successfully that all measures of GOC taken during Kutchuk's absence are legal and not subject to Vice-President's veto, he would have difficulty not forwarding future bills or measures to Kutchuk as required by constitution. His only effective alternatives would appear to be: (1) to maintain that Kutchuk was rebel who tried to set up separate Turk-Cypriot administration and therefore had lost authority in government (difficult argument to sustain if GOC has, as it claims, been sending invitations to Kutchuk and other Turk-Cypriot officials to attend scheduled meetings) or (2) to maneuver Turk-Cypriots into holding back from participation until too late.

He appears to be operating under second alternative. With each passing day that his tactics perpetuate Turk-Cypriots boycott of government, he increases general acceptance GOC as presently constituted, strengthens his contention that Turk-Cypriots are insurgents and weakens ability UN to remain neutral between two communities.

In this connection, British Embassy informs us GOT has asked HMG to intercede with Makarios and protest to UNSYG on behalf Denktash. HMG has informed GOT British forces Cyprus part of UNFICYP and they cannot make independent intercessions with GOC. (FYI. UKUN, however, has been instructed to call Denktash problem to attention SYG on humanitarian grounds. End FYI.) Turk Embassy informed Dept of GOT concern re Denktash but made no request for USUN action and Dept plans none.

And intents...

So much has happened since then to show that neither quality has many exponents on this unhappy island that another attempt at a patchwork solution can only breed further trouble. Situation obviously calls for drastic action involving major effort by NATO allies to support solution based on security needs of area, but also recognizing generally accepted democratic principle of majority rule.

Our own ideas as to once-for-all (para 5 Deptel 707) solution somewhat like Alexander's approach to Gordian Knot, although without resultant "partition" as in myth. Our recommendations will require considerable selling to GOT since we are proposing recognize Greek Cypriot ascendancy and intransigence and their insistence on a solution in accord with generally accepted standards of self-determination based on majority rule. On this basis following proposals submitted as outline of plan designed achieve over-all peace and security in area.

1. Constitutional framework providing for one person-one vote majority rule, with elections on basis of proportional representation.

2. Adequate safeguards for minorities (perhaps as with Swedes in Finland).

3. Cyprus to be tied to Greece either by enosis or in some "associated" status such as Puerto Rico. Greece would at minimum control foreign policy and defense, perhaps leaving other facets of government to Cypriots.

Would seem that only through some such device could GOT be convinced that security interests being preserved and safeguarded. Do not see how independent Cyprus with strong Communist Party organization could be accepted by Turks. Cyprus could continue to be "used" in one way or another as shuttlecock in Soviet-Western cold war in the area. Only as part of Greece and thereby included in NATO security system could GOT fears be mitigated. Part of such concept could be transferring of Izmir joint Greek-Turkish headquarters to one of British bases (probably Dhekelia) and UK giving up sovereignty over all or most of area in favor of NATO base on sovereign "Greek" territory.

Whatever Mediator may propose that would be acceptable to Greek Cypriots in their present ascendant position will require major selling effort with Turks, and in this respect Greek Ambassador Delivanis correct in his statement to Ambassador Wilkins (Embtel 1070)/3/ that US must play major persuasive role--but this does not mean that efforts other NATO partners will not be needed.

And more population exchange...

Further factor which Embassy considers essential to any lasting solution is some form of assisted emigration for Turks who are convinced they can no longer live with Greeks in Cyprus. This should involve setting up of commission to handle transfer of properties on equitable basis as well as other details of moves, including some provision for compensation for damages. Agree with Department's observations para 3 Deptel re best course of action for Mediator except with regards manner handling proposals once formulated. Experience with Cyprus "solutions" which presented publicly or leaked in some fashion not encouraging in past and no reason believe one or other side would not act same way now, particularly given existing inflamed and emotional situation.

Preventions...

This took form of maintaining that until such time as there was political settlement satisfactory to Greeks or at least until Turkish community here recognized fact that GOC was undisputed government, there was no possibility of Turkish Ministers or even Turkish civil servants returning to work. Mrs. Soulioti said that she did not go this far, but that unless there was freedom of access for Greeks who have legitimate business in present Turkish-controlled areas. (i.e., area north of Nicosia and Kyrenia Road), she saw no reason why Turks should be allowed come back to work in government in Greek area. (This strong attitude reflects position taken by Makarios in farewell conversation with Ambassador Wilkins and me reported in Embtel 1060.)/3/

http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ho/frus/johns ... i/4757.htm


You could say that the TCs are the heros in all of this...Look at how much opposition we had...Thank heavens for Dr. Kucuk and Denktas!!!

Kikapu

[BirKibrisli]

The self-defeating aim of “enosis with mummy“, that most leaders of the time aspired, is what ruined Cyprus.

The only justification they had was not knowing any better due to their lack of education back then, but what’s the excuse with otherwise “intelligent” people TODAY???

The fact that certain "otherwise intelligent" people still insist that Cyprus is Greek,perhaps??????? What is their excuse?????

[Get Real!]

The self-defeating aim of “enosis with mummy“, that most leaders of the time aspired, is what ruined Cyprus.

The only justification they had was not knowing any better due to their lack of education back then, but what’s the excuse with otherwise “intelligent” people TODAY???

The fact that certain "otherwise intelligent" people still insist that Cyprus is Greek,perhaps??????? What is their excuse?????

I agree with your gripe and that’s what I’m talking about… what makes someone issue such ignorant statements having seen the calamity that befell on Cyprus in the past from the very same logic?

[Kikapu]

You could say that the TCs are the heros in all of this...Look at how much opposition we had...Thank heavens for Dr. Kucuk and Denktas!!!

Kikapu

WHAT !

Your posts just confirms that it was a mistake for the TC's to withdraw from the RoC and not return back as Inönu BEGGED them to do so, which gave Makarios a free hand to do what he wanted, no matter how much of a HERO you see Küçük and Denktash in making that decision.! What more can I say, Zan.?

"Timing these Greek-Cypriot tactics is interesting. Makarios apparently fully understands that (1) Turk-Cypriots could strengthen their case and weaken his by participation, (2) that such participation was not likely while security forces were primarily GOC and British, and (3) that formal establishment UNFICYP is strategic moment for Kutchuk to insist on participation. He appears to have made moves re Denktash and acting minister appointments to goad Turks into frittering away energies in protests and legal arguments until opportunity has passed. Makarios' tactics will probably succeed if Turk-Cypriots continue to sit on hands and feel sorry for themselves.

If Kutchuk would return to his office because of UN presence, he could be serious embarrassment to Makarios. Even if Makarios could insist successfully that all measures of GOC taken during Kutchuk's absence are legal and not subject to Vice-President's veto, he would have difficulty not forwarding future bills or measures to Kutchuk as required by constitution. His only effective alternatives would appear to be: (1) to maintain that Kutchuk was rebel who tried to set up separate Turk-Cypriot administration and therefore had lost authority in government (difficult argument to sustain if GOC has, as it claims, been sending invitations to Kutchuk and other Turk-Cypriot officials to attend scheduled meetings) or (2) to maneuver Turk-Cypriots into holding back from participation until too late.

He appears to be operating under second alternative. With each passing day that his tactics perpetuate Turk-Cypriots boycott of government, he increases general acceptance GOC as presently constituted, strengthens his contention that Turk-Cypriots are insurgents and weakens ability UN to remain neutral between two communities.

In this connection, British Embassy informs us GOT has asked HMG to intercede with Makarios and protest to UNSYG on behalf Denktash. HMG has informed GOT British forces Cyprus part of UNFICYP and they cannot make independent intercessions with GOC. (FYI. UKUN, however, has been instructed to call Denktash problem to attention SYG on humanitarian grounds. End FYI.) Turk Embassy informed Dept of GOT concern re Denktash but made no request for USUN action and Dept plans none."

[zan]

You could say that the TCs are the heros in all of this...Look at how much opposition we had...Thank heavens for Dr. Kucuk and Denktas!!!

Kikapu

WHAT !

Your posts just confirms that it was a mistake for the TC's to withdraw from the RoC and not return back as Inönu BEGGED them to do so, which gave Makarios a free hand to do what he wanted, no matter how much of a HERO you see Küçük and Denktash in making that decision.! What more can I say, Zan.?

"Timing these Greek-Cypriot tactics is interesting. Makarios apparently fully understands that (1) Turk-Cypriots could strengthen their case and weaken his by participation, (2) that such participation was not likely while security forces were primarily GOC and British, and (3) that formal establishment UNFICYP is strategic moment for Kutchuk to insist on participation. He appears to have made moves re Denktash and acting minister appointments to goad Turks into frittering away energies in protests and legal arguments until opportunity has passed. Makarios' tactics will probably succeed if Turk-Cypriots continue to sit on hands and feel sorry for themselves.

If Kutchuk would return to his office because of UN presence, he could be serious embarrassment to Makarios. Even if Makarios could insist successfully that all measures of GOC taken during Kutchuk's absence are legal and not subject to Vice-President's veto, he would have difficulty not forwarding future bills or measures to Kutchuk as required by constitution. His only effective alternatives would appear to be: (1) to maintain that Kutchuk was rebel who tried to set up separate Turk-Cypriot administration and therefore had lost authority in government (difficult argument to sustain if GOC has, as it claims, been sending invitations to Kutchuk and other Turk-Cypriot officials to attend scheduled meetings) or (2) to maneuver Turk-Cypriots into holding back from participation until too late.

He appears to be operating under second alternative. With each passing day that his tactics perpetuate Turk-Cypriots boycott of government, he increases general acceptance GOC as presently constituted, strengthens his contention that Turk-Cypriots are insurgents and weakens ability UN to remain neutral between two communities.

In this connection, British Embassy informs us GOT has asked HMG to intercede with Makarios and protest to UNSYG on behalf Denktash. HMG has informed GOT British forces Cyprus part of UNFICYP and they cannot make independent intercessions with GOC. (FYI. UKUN, however, has been instructed to call Denktash problem to attention SYG on humanitarian grounds. End FYI.) Turk Embassy informed Dept of GOT concern re Denktash but made no request for USUN action and Dept plans none."

When you finish reading your little American war story comics in which everything is done right...In hindsight, then perhaps you can start to read some adult literature that tell of wars as they are....Nothing is for sure and mistakes are made...Especially with the Americans causing more deaths to their own than the enemy...


Makarios put every opstacle in the way and when they did finally try to return they were met by armed guards and a GC person in their place...


The constitution was never changed only on paper...It is not adhered to otherwise the "RoC" could not function..Now come back and tell me "What else could they do"...You have always been a defender of the politically wrong Greeks...I would expect no more....

You don't even answer the whole post...Just one little line of my own comment and think you have done the job......

[zan]

kikapu wrote:

No amendment was mentioned, because nothing was amended, but only proposed and to this day, it has still not been amended, therefore no veto was needed. The point of the letter Zan, was that Kucuk was told to go back to the RoC government by Inonu and he refused.

I have already said we made some mistakes Kikapu but Mkarios did not
help...In fact he did much more to make things worse and to achieve his goal of ENOSIS..

Timing these Greek-Cypriot tactics is interesting. Makarios apparently fully understands that (1) Turk-Cypriots could strengthen their case and weaken his by participation, (2) that such participation was not likely while security forces were primarily GOC and British, and (3) that formal establishment UNFICYP is strategic moment for Kutchuk to insist on participation. He appears to have made moves re Denktash and acting minister appointments to goad Turks into frittering away energies in protests and legal arguments until opportunity has passed. Makarios' tactics will probably succeed if Turk-Cypriots continue to sit on hands and feel sorry for themselves.

If Kutchuk would return to his office because of UN presence, he could be serious embarrassment to Makarios. Even if Makarios could insist successfully that all measures of GOC taken during Kutchuk's absence are legal and not subject to Vice-President's veto, he would have difficulty not forwarding future bills or measures to Kutchuk as required by constitution. His only effective alternatives would appear to be: (1) to maintain that Kutchuk was rebel who tried to set up separate Turk-Cypriot administration and therefore had lost authority in government (difficult argument to sustain if GOC has, as it claims, been sending invitations to Kutchuk and other Turk-Cypriot officials to attend scheduled meetings) or (2) to maneuver Turk-Cypriots into holding back from participation until too late.

He appears to be operating under second alternative. With each passing day that his tactics perpetuate Turk-Cypriots boycott of government, he increases general acceptance GOC as presently constituted, strengthens his contention that Turk-Cypriots are insurgents and weakens ability UN to remain neutral between two communities.

In this connection, British Embassy informs us GOT has asked HMG to intercede with Makarios and protest to UNSYG on behalf Denktash. HMG has informed GOT British forces Cyprus part of UNFICYP and they cannot make independent intercessions with GOC. (FYI. UKUN, however, has been instructed to call Denktash problem to attention SYG on humanitarian grounds. End FYI.) Turk Embassy informed Dept of GOT concern re Denktash but made no request for USUN action and Dept plans none.

And intents...

So much has happened since then to show that neither quality has many exponents on this unhappy island that another attempt at a patchwork solution can only breed further trouble. Situation obviously calls for drastic action involving major effort by NATO allies to support solution based on security needs of area, but also recognizing generally accepted democratic principle of majority rule.

Our own ideas as to once-for-all (para 5 Deptel 707) solution somewhat like Alexander's approach to Gordian Knot, although without resultant "partition" as in myth. Our recommendations will require considerable selling to GOT since we are proposing recognize Greek Cypriot ascendancy and intransigence and their insistence on a solution in accord with generally accepted standards of self-determination based on majority rule. On this basis following proposals submitted as outline of plan designed achieve over-all peace and security in area.

1. Constitutional framework providing for one person-one vote majority rule, with elections on basis of proportional representation.

2. Adequate safeguards for minorities (perhaps as with Swedes in Finland).

3. Cyprus to be tied to Greece either by enosis or in some "associated" status such as Puerto Rico. Greece would at minimum control foreign policy and defense, perhaps leaving other facets of government to Cypriots.

Would seem that only through some such device could GOT be convinced that security interests being preserved and safeguarded. Do not see how independent Cyprus with strong Communist Party organization could be accepted by Turks. Cyprus could continue to be "used" in one way or another as shuttlecock in Soviet-Western cold war in the area. Only as part of Greece and thereby included in NATO security system could GOT fears be mitigated. Part of such concept could be transferring of Izmir joint Greek-Turkish headquarters to one of British bases (probably Dhekelia) and UK giving up sovereignty over all or most of area in favor of NATO base on sovereign "Greek" territory.

Whatever Mediator may propose that would be acceptable to Greek Cypriots in their present ascendant position will require major selling effort with Turks, and in this respect Greek Ambassador Delivanis correct in his statement to Ambassador Wilkins (Embtel 1070)/3/ that US must play major persuasive role--but this does not mean that efforts other NATO partners will not be needed.

And more population exchange...

Further factor which Embassy considers essential to any lasting solution is some form of assisted emigration for Turks who are convinced they can no longer live with Greeks in Cyprus. This should involve setting up of commission to handle transfer of properties on equitable basis as well as other details of moves, including some provision for compensation for damages. Agree with Department's observations para 3 Deptel re best course of action for Mediator except with regards manner handling proposals once formulated. Experience with Cyprus "solutions" which presented publicly or leaked in some fashion not encouraging in past and no reason believe one or other side would not act same way now, particularly given existing inflamed and emotional situation.

Preventions...

This took form of maintaining that until such time as there was political settlement satisfactory to Greeks or at least until Turkish community here recognized fact that GOC was undisputed government, there was no possibility of Turkish Ministers or even Turkish civil servants returning to work. Mrs. Soulioti said that she did not go this far, but that unless there was freedom of access for Greeks who have legitimate business in present Turkish-controlled areas. (i.e., area north of Nicosia and Kyrenia Road), she saw no reason why Turks should be allowed come back to work in government in Greek area. (This strong attitude reflects position taken by Makarios in farewell conversation with Ambassador Wilkins and me reported in Embtel 1060.)/3/

http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ho/frus/johns ... i/4757.htm


You could say that the TCs are the heros in all of this...Look at how much opposition we had...Thank heavens for Dr. Kucuk and Denktas!!!

Kikapu

I am waiting Kiks...Or is it that it is an American report that is pissing you off.......

[insan]

Where does it say that the GCs can run the CYPRUS REPUBLIC on its own????
You have all the fee speech hat you require...When it comes to slagging off others in the "RoC"......

Zan,

I think you missed this thread last week. What do you think of the letter from Inonu to Kücük.?

Askimwos, what you wrote about the mother countries is basically true. However, I have just read a letter sent by Inonu, Prime Minister of Turkey, to Kucuk, the leader of the Turkish Cypriot community, in March 1964. Inonu was begging the Turkish Cypriots to return to the RoC! Kucuk, a moderate politician, replied that the Turkish Cypriots would rather emigrate to Turkey than return.

How do you explain this? How does anyone explain this?

I have just been reading Arif Hasan Tahsin's latest book about the recent history of Cyprus (actually a collection of a long series of newspaper articles). In it he stresses several times that, in his opinion, this letter from İnönü to Kutchuk, and Kutchuk's reply to this letter, constitute the two most important documents in Turkish Cypriot history since the republic was founded.

The complete texts of these documents are reproduced in this book. I think the following quote from İnönü's letter is very important [my translation]:


"Pursuant to a resolution passed by the Security Council, an international peace-keeping force will shortly be sent to Cyprus. We hope and desire that by this means it will be possible to establish security on the Island in the shortest possible space of time. After security has been established by this means, if the Turks persist in declining to assume their duties and positions within the Cyprus state, objections and complaints made by our side concerning the Greek Cypriots’ single-handed pursuit of state affairs to the detriment of the Turks’ rights and interests will not be countenanced by world public opinion. In addition to this, the single-handed domination of state affairs by the Greek Cypriots until such time as a final solution is found to the Cyprus problem will undoubtedly give rise to various restrictions as far as the rights and interests of the Turks are concerned.

Therefore, the taking of the necessary measures to establish security on the Island and, once these have been taken, the swiftest possible gradual return, beginning with the Vice-President and the Turkish Ministers, of all Turks to their positions within the state mechanism and their firm and tenacious opposition to the Greek Cypriots’ adverse activities from within the state mechanism will assist greatly towards the success of our national cause."


I can't help thinking that, in hindsight, he was right.

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... c&start=20

I don't see any part of the quote mentioning the amendments that were made to the constitution that forced the TCs to defend their position...Niether did you bother to put that fact into your argument...Our veto was ignored......I wonder how the "RoC" would feel if the EU did the same to them....Perhaps, like Piratis has unwittingly dais...They would take what they have and tell them to stuff it.....

No amendment was mentioned, because nothing was amended, but only proposed and to this day, it has still not been amended, therefore no veto was needed. The point of the letter Zan, was that Kucuk was told to go back to the RoC government by Inonu and he refused.

Inonu told his opinion to Kuchuk and Kuchuk just told his opinion to Inonu. He refused to go back to RoC bcz he had no hope that everything would be alright. Most probably, after this letter; they negoitate more abt this issue and they decided to not to go back RoC. What's ur point, Kikapu?

Inonu, as the president of a country who was one of the guarantor powers tells the problems to Küçük that the TC's would be losing their legal place in the RoC and that the GC's would have a free hand in doing what they want with the government is hardly an opinion but a reality that the TC's would face then and continue to face today. Küçük may have had his pride, but he had no right to gamble with the TC's legal place in the RoC, and Inonu saw that and told him so, who was a seasoned politician and not like Küçük perhaps, who just wanted to take his marbles and go home just because Makarios made proposal changes to the constitution.

The point of my post is, Insan, that Zan made the above post which you have probably missed.

Where does it say that the GCs can run the CYPRUS REPUBLIC on its own????

Simple really. If the GC's did not have the TC's to play marbles with because they left the game, then the GC's played marbles amongst themselves and they continue to play today.!

Well. What was expectation of Makarios and his backing crew when they prepared those 13 amendments? Have u any idea? Under todays circumstances we may say even though u knew it will be a waste of time to sit down in the parliament, calmly; keep playing the game and see what will happen. Yeah, if i were Kuchuk i would do that. To guess the Kuchuk's and his crew's psychology and mentality under those conditions; we need to know all the datails of political life and what was going on in the background of both parties during 1960-63 period. It's easy to summarize the events of 1963 as Makarios put forward 13 amendments for discussion and TCs ran away from the RoC to create and excuse for partition.