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Postby zan » Fri Jan 09, 2009 8:29 pm

paliometoxo wrote:it doesent zan but we have no say in that because the turks hold the north by force with 40 thousand troops there is nothing we can do, all turkey has to do is remove the troops and agree that we all have same rights but they will not allow that they will do everything in their power for two states so its turkey that is to blame


well at least the roc goverment wouldent ban the website if i do slag them off ;)

i bet if i upload a few pics or videos and slag off gaturk attaturk it wont take long for turkey to ban the site


I would argue that the "RoC" hold the CYPRUS REPUBLIC by force and that is why Turkey is there!!!


Ban a website or suppress a people on their own island...I know which one I wood choose!!!
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Postby paaul12 » Fri Jan 09, 2009 8:30 pm

The Oracle speaks:

But regardless: No one has forced the EU "Constitution" on any member countries. They chose to join.


Tell that to Ireland, they were told to vote yes, they said NO, they will be given one one chance to do as they are told, if they dont, they will be thrown out of the EU


is'nt the EU great :lol: :lol:
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Postby miltiades » Fri Jan 09, 2009 8:53 pm

zan wrote:Miltiades wrote:

The EU was not created so that larger nations would have an influence over smaller ones. It is after all a union of European nations .

Turkey will one day become a full member , she will not however be tolerated for as long as the EU and the International community view her presence in Cyprus as an occupying power.



Wasn't the Zurich agreement formed along the same lines....Two people that should not have influence over the other.....

Why is the "RoC" tolerated in a system that believes in equality?

You are paranoid mate , you go on and on and on with the past , have you any constrcutive comments to make ?
The RoC IS RECOGNISED ITS NOT THE SO CALLED "ROC" GET IT INTO YOUR TINY BRAIN.
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Postby miltiades » Fri Jan 09, 2009 8:54 pm

paaul12 wrote:The Oracle speaks:

But regardless: No one has forced the EU "Constitution" on any member countries. They chose to join.


Tell that to Ireland, they were told to vote yes, they said NO, they will be given one one chance to do as they are told, if they dont, they will be thrown out of the EU


is'nt the EU great :lol: :lol:

Another bloody foreigner poking his nose into the affairs of Cyprus!!
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Re: EU doing a Makarios

Postby Get Real! » Fri Jan 09, 2009 8:56 pm

zan wrote:Is it time for the EU big boys to change the "Constitution" so that countries like the "RoC" do not have a unfair advantage over countries like Germany with 100 million people??? Should the EU big boys ignore the smaller vetos and take control. By force if need be and those countries that want to leave the union should be shown the door!!!?

Cyprus does NOT have a unfair advantage but a PROPORTIONATE to her population voting power... where's that EU voting pie chart someone posted recently?
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Postby Kikapu » Fri Jan 09, 2009 8:57 pm

zan wrote:
Where does it say that the GCs can run the CYPRUS REPUBLIC on its own????
You have all the fee speech hat you require...When it comes to slagging off others in the "RoC"...... :wink:


Zan,

I think you missed this thread last week. What do you think of the letter from Inonu to Kücük.?


Bananiot wrote:Askimwos, what you wrote about the mother countries is basically true. However, I have just read a letter sent by Inonu, Prime Minister of Turkey, to Kucuk, the leader of the Turkish Cypriot community, in March 1964. Inonu was begging the Turkish Cypriots to return to the RoC! Kucuk, a moderate politician, replied that the Turkish Cypriots would rather emigrate to Turkey than return.

How do you explain this? How does anyone explain this?



Tim Drayton wrote:I have just been reading Arif Hasan Tahsin's latest book about the recent history of Cyprus (actually a collection of a long series of newspaper articles). In it he stresses several times that, in his opinion, this letter from İnönü to Kutchuk, and Kutchuk's reply to this letter, constitute the two most important documents in Turkish Cypriot history since the republic was founded.

The complete texts of these documents are reproduced in this book. I think the following quote from İnönü's letter is very important [my translation]:


"Pursuant to a resolution passed by the Security Council, an international peace-keeping force will shortly be sent to Cyprus. We hope and desire that by this means it will be possible to establish security on the Island in the shortest possible space of time. After security has been established by this means, if the Turks persist in declining to assume their duties and positions within the Cyprus state, objections and complaints made by our side concerning the Greek Cypriots’ single-handed pursuit of state affairs to the detriment of the Turks’ rights and interests will not be countenanced by world public opinion. In addition to this, the single-handed domination of state affairs by the Greek Cypriots until such time as a final solution is found to the Cyprus problem will undoubtedly give rise to various restrictions as far as the rights and interests of the Turks are concerned.

Therefore, the taking of the necessary measures to establish security on the Island and, once these have been taken, the swiftest possible gradual return, beginning with the Vice-President and the Turkish Ministers, of all Turks to their positions within the state mechanism and their firm and tenacious opposition to the Greek Cypriots’ adverse activities from within the state mechanism will assist greatly towards the success of our national cause."



I can't help thinking that, in hindsight, he was right.


http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... c&start=20
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Postby doesntmatter » Fri Jan 09, 2009 9:13 pm

Kikapu wrote:
zan wrote:
Where does it say that the GCs can run the CYPRUS REPUBLIC on its own????
You have all the fee speech hat you require...When it comes to slagging off others in the "RoC"...... :wink:


Zan,

I think you missed this thread last week. What do you think of the letter from Inonu to Kücük.?


Bananiot wrote:Askimwos, what you wrote about the mother countries is basically true. However, I have just read a letter sent by Inonu, Prime Minister of Turkey, to Kucuk, the leader of the Turkish Cypriot community, in March 1964. Inonu was begging the Turkish Cypriots to return to the RoC! Kucuk, a moderate politician, replied that the Turkish Cypriots would rather emigrate to Turkey than return.

How do you explain this? How does anyone explain this?



Tim Drayton wrote:I have just been reading Arif Hasan Tahsin's latest book about the recent history of Cyprus (actually a collection of a long series of newspaper articles). In it he stresses several times that, in his opinion, this letter from İnönü to Kutchuk, and Kutchuk's reply to this letter, constitute the two most important documents in Turkish Cypriot history since the republic was founded.

The complete texts of these documents are reproduced in this book. I think the following quote from İnönü's letter is very important [my translation]:


"Pursuant to a resolution passed by the Security Council, an international peace-keeping force will shortly be sent to Cyprus. We hope and desire that by this means it will be possible to establish security on the Island in the shortest possible space of time. After security has been established by this means, if the Turks persist in declining to assume their duties and positions within the Cyprus state, objections and complaints made by our side concerning the Greek Cypriots’ single-handed pursuit of state affairs to the detriment of the Turks’ rights and interests will not be countenanced by world public opinion. In addition to this, the single-handed domination of state affairs by the Greek Cypriots until such time as a final solution is found to the Cyprus problem will undoubtedly give rise to various restrictions as far as the rights and interests of the Turks are concerned.

Therefore, the taking of the necessary measures to establish security on the Island and, once these have been taken, the swiftest possible gradual return, beginning with the Vice-President and the Turkish Ministers, of all Turks to their positions within the state mechanism and their firm and tenacious opposition to the Greek Cypriots’ adverse activities from within the state mechanism will assist greatly towards the success of our national cause."



I can't help thinking that, in hindsight, he was right.


http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... c&start=20


Did you make any comments about the letter and the article you quoted above kikapu?

If not, can you tell us your thoughts about both the "Inonu letter" and the article translated by Tim Drayton?

BTW, any links to the letter of the article? Credible links that is of course.
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Postby Kikapu » Fri Jan 09, 2009 9:18 pm

doesntmatter wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
zan wrote:
Where does it say that the GCs can run the CYPRUS REPUBLIC on its own????
You have all the fee speech hat you require...When it comes to slagging off others in the "RoC"...... :wink:


Zan,

I think you missed this thread last week. What do you think of the letter from Inonu to Kücük.?


Bananiot wrote:Askimwos, what you wrote about the mother countries is basically true. However, I have just read a letter sent by Inonu, Prime Minister of Turkey, to Kucuk, the leader of the Turkish Cypriot community, in March 1964. Inonu was begging the Turkish Cypriots to return to the RoC! Kucuk, a moderate politician, replied that the Turkish Cypriots would rather emigrate to Turkey than return.

How do you explain this? How does anyone explain this?



Tim Drayton wrote:I have just been reading Arif Hasan Tahsin's latest book about the recent history of Cyprus (actually a collection of a long series of newspaper articles). In it he stresses several times that, in his opinion, this letter from İnönü to Kutchuk, and Kutchuk's reply to this letter, constitute the two most important documents in Turkish Cypriot history since the republic was founded.

The complete texts of these documents are reproduced in this book. I think the following quote from İnönü's letter is very important [my translation]:


"Pursuant to a resolution passed by the Security Council, an international peace-keeping force will shortly be sent to Cyprus. We hope and desire that by this means it will be possible to establish security on the Island in the shortest possible space of time. After security has been established by this means, if the Turks persist in declining to assume their duties and positions within the Cyprus state, objections and complaints made by our side concerning the Greek Cypriots’ single-handed pursuit of state affairs to the detriment of the Turks’ rights and interests will not be countenanced by world public opinion. In addition to this, the single-handed domination of state affairs by the Greek Cypriots until such time as a final solution is found to the Cyprus problem will undoubtedly give rise to various restrictions as far as the rights and interests of the Turks are concerned.

Therefore, the taking of the necessary measures to establish security on the Island and, once these have been taken, the swiftest possible gradual return, beginning with the Vice-President and the Turkish Ministers, of all Turks to their positions within the state mechanism and their firm and tenacious opposition to the Greek Cypriots’ adverse activities from within the state mechanism will assist greatly towards the success of our national cause."



I can't help thinking that, in hindsight, he was right.


http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... c&start=20


Did you make any comments about the letter and the article you quoted above kikapu?

If not, can you tell us your thoughts about both the "Inonu letter" and the article translated by Tim Drayton?

BTW, any links to the letter of the article? Credible links that is of course.


If you open that thread DM, you will see that I did make few comments in a discussion with Bananiot.

I believe Bananiot and Tim said it was a quote from a book, so no links from me, but Tim may have one. It was Tim's translation if you missed that piece of information. But surely you must trust Bananiot to tell the truth, along with Tim, don't you.?.
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Postby Viewpoint » Fri Jan 09, 2009 9:27 pm

Piratis wrote:EU is a union of countries, not a country.

But if Germany and the other big countries want to do whatever they want in EU, no problem, we will just take our island and leave from the EU.

Similarly, if you do not like democracy in Cyprus you can just go back from where you came from. You were never invited in Cyprus to begin with (while we have been invited to join the EU).


We are from Cyprus....so we will not be going anywhere.
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Postby zan » Fri Jan 09, 2009 9:28 pm

Kikapu wrote:
zan wrote:
Where does it say that the GCs can run the CYPRUS REPUBLIC on its own????
You have all the fee speech hat you require...When it comes to slagging off others in the "RoC"...... :wink:


Zan,

I think you missed this thread last week. What do you think of the letter from Inonu to Kücük.?


Bananiot wrote:Askimwos, what you wrote about the mother countries is basically true. However, I have just read a letter sent by Inonu, Prime Minister of Turkey, to Kucuk, the leader of the Turkish Cypriot community, in March 1964. Inonu was begging the Turkish Cypriots to return to the RoC! Kucuk, a moderate politician, replied that the Turkish Cypriots would rather emigrate to Turkey than return.

How do you explain this? How does anyone explain this?



Tim Drayton wrote:I have just been reading Arif Hasan Tahsin's latest book about the recent history of Cyprus (actually a collection of a long series of newspaper articles). In it he stresses several times that, in his opinion, this letter from İnönü to Kutchuk, and Kutchuk's reply to this letter, constitute the two most important documents in Turkish Cypriot history since the republic was founded.

The complete texts of these documents are reproduced in this book. I think the following quote from İnönü's letter is very important [my translation]:


"Pursuant to a resolution passed by the Security Council, an international peace-keeping force will shortly be sent to Cyprus. We hope and desire that by this means it will be possible to establish security on the Island in the shortest possible space of time. After security has been established by this means, if the Turks persist in declining to assume their duties and positions within the Cyprus state, objections and complaints made by our side concerning the Greek Cypriots’ single-handed pursuit of state affairs to the detriment of the Turks’ rights and interests will not be countenanced by world public opinion. In addition to this, the single-handed domination of state affairs by the Greek Cypriots until such time as a final solution is found to the Cyprus problem will undoubtedly give rise to various restrictions as far as the rights and interests of the Turks are concerned.

Therefore, the taking of the necessary measures to establish security on the Island and, once these have been taken, the swiftest possible gradual return, beginning with the Vice-President and the Turkish Ministers, of all Turks to their positions within the state mechanism and their firm and tenacious opposition to the Greek Cypriots’ adverse activities from within the state mechanism will assist greatly towards the success of our national cause."



I can't help thinking that, in hindsight, he was right.


http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... c&start=20


I don't see any part of the quote mentioning the amendments that were made to the constitution that forced the TCs to defend their position...Niether did you bother to put that fact into your argument...Our veto was ignored......I wonder how the "RoC" would feel if the EU did the same to them....Perhaps, like Piratis has unwittingly dais...They would take what they have and tell them to stuff it..... :wink:
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