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[zan]

I was talking to my TC brother in law the other day from the UK, which he informed me, that there are a lot of UK TC's who have bought GC properties in the north and now were getting very nervous with the above legal opinion. First the GC properties are about to become "radioactive" where no one will want to buy it off them, and secondly, they are worried, that they believe in the last 5+ years since the crossings have been opened, that the RoC authorities have compiled the names of all the "new" owners of the GC properties and that they are now afraid, that once this legal opinion becomes law, they will be getting a knock on the door to be served with court papers to appear in Nicosia courts. I guess one can serve court papers anywhere within the EU club. Perhaps someone can clarify that for us. Anyway, the reason why he feels that the RoC knows who are all these who bought GC properties, is because my B-I-L knows a TC lady with 4 children from a man she married who is a settler, was refused entry for the children into the RoC because she was told that the children were from a settler, but she was allowed to cross if she wanted. So the question is, how does the RoC know for sure who the TC woman is married to, since the husband was not with them at the time of the crossing when this incident occurred.?? If the RoC knows who she is married to, they must also know all those who bought GC properties in the north.

Zan and doesn'tmatter - Have you both "bought" stolen land ?

I have said a hundred times...I have NO land in Cyprus but my fathers land is in the buffer Zone...

[bill cobbett]

I was talking to my TC brother in law the other day from the UK, which he informed me, that there are a lot of UK TC's who have bought GC properties in the north and now were getting very nervous with the above legal opinion. First the GC properties are about to become "radioactive" where no one will want to buy it off them, and secondly, they are worried, that they believe in the last 5+ years since the crossings have been opened, that the RoC authorities have compiled the names of all the "new" owners of the GC properties and that they are now afraid, that once this legal opinion becomes law, they will be getting a knock on the door to be served with court papers to appear in Nicosia courts. I guess one can serve court papers anywhere within the EU club. Perhaps someone can clarify that for us. Anyway, the reason why he feels that the RoC knows who are all these who bought GC properties, is because my B-I-L knows a TC lady with 4 children from a man she married who is a settler, was refused entry for the children into the RoC because she was told that the children were from a settler, but she was allowed to cross if she wanted. So the question is, how does the RoC know for sure who the TC woman is married to, since the husband was not with them at the time of the crossing when this incident occurred.?? If the RoC knows who she is married to, they must also know all those who bought GC properties in the north.

Zan and doesn'tmatter - Have you both "bought" stolen land ?

Kikapu seems to think that the "RoC" knows everything so ask your "government".

The pair of you and a good many others who have fallen for the dodgy kochan scam and traded in stolen land must be worrying yourselves shiteless. Have the real owners come knocking at your doors yet?

Stop feeling so happy billy boy.

First, it's not law yet.

Second, the Orams case in not over until the fat lady sings.

Third, until there is a solution, non-EU citizens and TCs have nothing to worry about.

Those who have been morally corrupt enough and stupid enough to "buy" stolen land or to be involved in any way, in any part of the chains of dodgy transfers and who may be say tcs in the Diaspora, particularly here in GB and other people such as as ex-pat Brits, must be furtively moving their EU based assets out of the reach of the Courts.

[Nikitas]

Anyone who resides within the EU has PLENTY to worry about. The judgements being enforced are not judgements in rem, ie requiring return of the property, but remedies in personam, demanding money.

Win or lose in the Orams case the fact remains that the legitimate owner, by spending very little money can cause a BIG problem to anyone who resides in the EU and buys GC land. In fact there can be lawsuits brought against anyone who merely enters GC land ininvited, since they commit tresspass and can be liable for damages.

As most legal remedies the Orams case cuts both ways, as it opens the road for TCs to demand remedies for their lands in the south, so do not take it so hard.

[zan]

I was talking to my TC brother in law the other day from the UK, which he informed me, that there are a lot of UK TC's who have bought GC properties in the north and now were getting very nervous with the above legal opinion. First the GC properties are about to become "radioactive" where no one will want to buy it off them, and secondly, they are worried, that they believe in the last 5+ years since the crossings have been opened, that the RoC authorities have compiled the names of all the "new" owners of the GC properties and that they are now afraid, that once this legal opinion becomes law, they will be getting a knock on the door to be served with court papers to appear in Nicosia courts. I guess one can serve court papers anywhere within the EU club. Perhaps someone can clarify that for us. Anyway, the reason why he feels that the RoC knows who are all these who bought GC properties, is because my B-I-L knows a TC lady with 4 children from a man she married who is a settler, was refused entry for the children into the RoC because she was told that the children were from a settler, but she was allowed to cross if she wanted. So the question is, how does the RoC know for sure who the TC woman is married to, since the husband was not with them at the time of the crossing when this incident occurred.?? If the RoC knows who she is married to, they must also know all those who bought GC properties in the north.

Zan and doesn'tmatter - Have you both "bought" stolen land ?

Kikapu seems to think that the "RoC" knows everything so ask your "government".

The pair of you and a good many others who have fallen for the dodgy kochan scam and traded in stolen land must be worrying yourselves shiteless. Have the real owners come knocking at your doors yet?

Stop feeling so happy billy boy.

First, it's not law yet.

Second, the Orams case in not over until the fat lady sings.

Third, until there is a solution, non-EU citizens and TCs have nothing to worry about.

Those who have been morally corrupt enough and stupid enough to "buy" stolen land or to be involved in any way, in any part of the chains of dodgy transfers and who may be say tcs in the Diaspora, particularly here in GB and other people such as as ex-pat Brits, must be furtively moving their EU based assets out of the reach of the Courts.

I hope they do and then we can perhaps solve this thing as equals and not by forcing it down our throats...

[doesntmatter]

I was talking to my TC brother in law the other day from the UK, which he informed me, that there are a lot of UK TC's who have bought GC properties in the north and now were getting very nervous with the above legal opinion. First the GC properties are about to become "radioactive" where no one will want to buy it off them, and secondly, they are worried, that they believe in the last 5+ years since the crossings have been opened, that the RoC authorities have compiled the names of all the "new" owners of the GC properties and that they are now afraid, that once this legal opinion becomes law, they will be getting a knock on the door to be served with court papers to appear in Nicosia courts. I guess one can serve court papers anywhere within the EU club. Perhaps someone can clarify that for us. Anyway, the reason why he feels that the RoC knows who are all these who bought GC properties, is because my B-I-L knows a TC lady with 4 children from a man she married who is a settler, was refused entry for the children into the RoC because she was told that the children were from a settler, but she was allowed to cross if she wanted. So the question is, how does the RoC know for sure who the TC woman is married to, since the husband was not with them at the time of the crossing when this incident occurred.?? If the RoC knows who she is married to, they must also know all those who bought GC properties in the north.

Zan and doesn'tmatter - Have you both "bought" stolen land ?

Kikapu seems to think that the "RoC" knows everything so ask your "government".

The pair of you and a good many others who have fallen for the dodgy kochan scam and traded in stolen land must be worrying yourselves shiteless. Have the real owners come knocking at your doors yet?

Stop feeling so happy billy boy.

First, it's not law yet.

Second, the Orams case in not over until the fat lady sings.

Third, until there is a solution, non-EU citizens and TCs have nothing to worry about.

Those who have been morally corrupt enough and stupid enough to "buy" stolen land or to be involved in any way, in any part of the chains of dodgy transfers and who may be say tcs in the Diaspora, particularly here in GB and other people such as as ex-pat Brits, must be furtively moving their EU based assets out of the reach of the Courts.

Well, there you go billy boy, you just solved the problem.

Those who have lands will just transfer the deeds to their families in the US or Oz.

Thanks, I knew someone would come up with a solution.

[bill cobbett]

I was talking to my TC brother in law the other day from the UK, which he informed me, that there are a lot of UK TC's who have bought GC properties in the north and now were getting very nervous with the above legal opinion. First the GC properties are about to become "radioactive" where no one will want to buy it off them, and secondly, they are worried, that they believe in the last 5+ years since the crossings have been opened, that the RoC authorities have compiled the names of all the "new" owners of the GC properties and that they are now afraid, that once this legal opinion becomes law, they will be getting a knock on the door to be served with court papers to appear in Nicosia courts. I guess one can serve court papers anywhere within the EU club. Perhaps someone can clarify that for us. Anyway, the reason why he feels that the RoC knows who are all these who bought GC properties, is because my B-I-L knows a TC lady with 4 children from a man she married who is a settler, was refused entry for the children into the RoC because she was told that the children were from a settler, but she was allowed to cross if she wanted. So the question is, how does the RoC know for sure who the TC woman is married to, since the husband was not with them at the time of the crossing when this incident occurred.?? If the RoC knows who she is married to, they must also know all those who bought GC properties in the north.

Zan and doesn'tmatter - Have you both "bought" stolen land ?

Kikapu seems to think that the "RoC" knows everything so ask your "government".

The pair of you and a good many others who have fallen for the dodgy kochan scam and traded in stolen land must be worrying yourselves shiteless. Have the real owners come knocking at your doors yet?

Stop feeling so happy billy boy.

First, it's not law yet.

Second, the Orams case in not over until the fat lady sings.

Third, until there is a solution, non-EU citizens and TCs have nothing to worry about.

Those who have been morally corrupt enough and stupid enough to "buy" stolen land or to be involved in any way, in any part of the chains of dodgy transfers and who may be say tcs in the Diaspora, particularly here in GB and other people such as as ex-pat Brits, must be furtively moving their EU based assets out of the reach of the Courts.

Well, there you go billy boy, you just solved the problem.

Those who have lands will just transfer the deeds to their families in the US or Oz.

Thanks, I knew someone would come up with a solution.

Oh damn! I am so nice and helpful.

er.......but not nice and not that helpful!

.......only told one third of the story and didn't mention the second two-thirds, that the Courts take a very dim view of cases where potential losers in litigation have taken steps to "protect" assets from an unfavourable Judgment by seemingly putting assets beyond the reach of the Courts.

[Oracle]

I was talking to my TC brother in law the other day from the UK, which he informed me, that there are a lot of UK TC's who have bought GC properties in the north and now were getting very nervous with the above legal opinion. First the GC properties are about to become "radioactive" where no one will want to buy it off them, and secondly, they are worried, that they believe in the last 5+ years since the crossings have been opened, that the RoC authorities have compiled the names of all the "new" owners of the GC properties and that they are now afraid, that once this legal opinion becomes law, they will be getting a knock on the door to be served with court papers to appear in Nicosia courts. I guess one can serve court papers anywhere within the EU club. Perhaps someone can clarify that for us. Anyway, the reason why he feels that the RoC knows who are all these who bought GC properties, is because my B-I-L knows a TC lady with 4 children from a man she married who is a settler, was refused entry for the children into the RoC because she was told that the children were from a settler, but she was allowed to cross if she wanted. So the question is, how does the RoC know for sure who the TC woman is married to, since the husband was not with them at the time of the crossing when this incident occurred.?? If the RoC knows who she is married to, they must also know all those who bought GC properties in the north.

Zan and doesn'tmatter - Have you both "bought" stolen land ?

Kikapu seems to think that the "RoC" knows everything so ask your "government".

The pair of you and a good many others who have fallen for the dodgy kochan scam and traded in stolen land must be worrying yourselves shiteless. Have the real owners come knocking at your doors yet?

Stop feeling so happy billy boy.

First, it's not law yet.

Second, the Orams case in not over until the fat lady sings.

Third, until there is a solution, non-EU citizens and TCs have nothing to worry about.

Those who have been morally corrupt enough and stupid enough to "buy" stolen land or to be involved in any way, in any part of the chains of dodgy transfers and who may be say tcs in the Diaspora, particularly here in GB and other people such as as ex-pat Brits, must be furtively moving their EU based assets out of the reach of the Courts.

Well, there you go billy boy, you just solved the problem.

Those who have lands will just transfer the deeds to their families in the US or Oz.

Thanks, I knew someone would come up with a solution.

Oh damn! I am so nice and helpful.

er.......but not nice and not that helpful!

.......only told one third of the story and didn't mention the second two-thirds, that the Courts take a very dim view of cases where potential losers in litigation have taken steps to "protect" assets from an unfavourable Judgment by seemingly putting assets beyond the reach of the Courts.

I agree with you bill. Anyone carrying out such a procedure faces a further charge of Fraud. Besides those transferred "deeds" would be invalidated, hence the buck stops there!

[bill cobbett]

I was talking to my TC brother in law the other day from the UK, which he informed me, that there are a lot of UK TC's who have bought GC properties in the north and now were getting very nervous with the above legal opinion. First the GC properties are about to become "radioactive" where no one will want to buy it off them, and secondly, they are worried, that they believe in the last 5+ years since the crossings have been opened, that the RoC authorities have compiled the names of all the "new" owners of the GC properties and that they are now afraid, that once this legal opinion becomes law, they will be getting a knock on the door to be served with court papers to appear in Nicosia courts. I guess one can serve court papers anywhere within the EU club. Perhaps someone can clarify that for us. Anyway, the reason why he feels that the RoC knows who are all these who bought GC properties, is because my B-I-L knows a TC lady with 4 children from a man she married who is a settler, was refused entry for the children into the RoC because she was told that the children were from a settler, but she was allowed to cross if she wanted. So the question is, how does the RoC know for sure who the TC woman is married to, since the husband was not with them at the time of the crossing when this incident occurred.?? If the RoC knows who she is married to, they must also know all those who bought GC properties in the north.

Zan and doesn'tmatter - Have you both "bought" stolen land ?

I have said a hundred times...I have NO land in Cyprus but my fathers land is in the buffer Zone...

What d'you mean your land in the buffer-zone? I bought that off you last year for a couple of goats. By the way I'm still waiting for the kochans.

( I suppose I could take some guidance from the Tnct and knock up some dodgy deeds in Photoshop. )

[zan]

I was talking to my TC brother in law the other day from the UK, which he informed me, that there are a lot of UK TC's who have bought GC properties in the north and now were getting very nervous with the above legal opinion. First the GC properties are about to become "radioactive" where no one will want to buy it off them, and secondly, they are worried, that they believe in the last 5+ years since the crossings have been opened, that the RoC authorities have compiled the names of all the "new" owners of the GC properties and that they are now afraid, that once this legal opinion becomes law, they will be getting a knock on the door to be served with court papers to appear in Nicosia courts. I guess one can serve court papers anywhere within the EU club. Perhaps someone can clarify that for us. Anyway, the reason why he feels that the RoC knows who are all these who bought GC properties, is because my B-I-L knows a TC lady with 4 children from a man she married who is a settler, was refused entry for the children into the RoC because she was told that the children were from a settler, but she was allowed to cross if she wanted. So the question is, how does the RoC know for sure who the TC woman is married to, since the husband was not with them at the time of the crossing when this incident occurred.?? If the RoC knows who she is married to, they must also know all those who bought GC properties in the north.

Zan and doesn'tmatter - Have you both "bought" stolen land ?

I have said a hundred times...I have NO land in Cyprus but my fathers land is in the buffer Zone...

What d'you mean your land in the buffer-zone? I bought that off you last year for a couple of goats. By the way I'm still waiting for the kochans.

( I suppose I could take some guidance from the Tnct and knock up some dodgy deeds in Photoshop. )

Are asking me to post the kocans on the web......Are you serious....

If you re just going to stick your tongue out like a little girl when you get the answers to your question then you will get what you deserve...

[bill cobbett]

Anyone who resides within the EU has PLENTY to worry about. The judgements being enforced are not judgements in rem, ie requiring return of the property, but remedies in personam, demanding money.

Win or lose in the Orams case the fact remains that the legitimate owner, by spending very little money can cause a BIG problem to anyone who resides in the EU and buys GC land. In fact there can be lawsuits brought against anyone who merely enters GC land ininvited, since they commit tresspass and can be liable for damages.

As most legal remedies the Orams case cuts both ways, as it opens the road for TCs to demand remedies for their lands in the south, so do not take it so hard.

I for one don't have a problem with it cutting both ways. It is only right that the law is applied fairly to all.