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Postby Get Real! » Sat Jan 10, 2009 2:13 am

doesntmatter wrote:
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zan wrote:Yes, and in time it will disappear under the shelf and became part of the volcanic rock. We can only hope that it will emerge somewhere in the heart of Athens as one almighty Volcano... 8) :lol:

Preferably live and spewing! And don't forget the "daughter of krakatoa" popping up right in the middle of Ankara... :lol:


A volcano within a volcano? :shock:

Has that ever happend? :?

If Turkey becomes a volcano then there will be no Ankara any longer GR. :roll:


http://www.npr.org/templates/story/stor ... Id=4074651


That is not a volcano within a volcano though, it's a kind of "rebirth" at almost the same place as the first one that erupted in 1883.

BTW, it's called "Anak Krakatau (the "son of Krakatoa") ". You got the sex of the child wrong. :lol:

A volcano within a volcano is your invention not mine! :lol:

As for the gender, I figured the next child might be a girl... no credible links though! :cry:
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Postby doesntmatter » Sat Jan 10, 2009 2:13 am

bill cobbett wrote:Sorry to lower the tone of the conversation to matters of science.

Cy has never been a part of Turkey, never broken away from it etc, etc.

Almost all of Cy has literally risen from the ocean (almost like the Aphrodite myth I suppose) as the African Plate has moved north towards the Eurasian Plate. Interestingly Cy is one of the few places in the world where oceanic crust (ocean floor if you like) is found on the surface.


Any proof of on anything you said above, scientific or otherwise?

When I was a child I heard that the whole island had sunk three times and reemerged again but do I believe that now without proof?
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Postby bill cobbett » Sat Jan 10, 2009 2:18 am

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bill cobbett wrote:Sorry to lower the tone of the conversation to matters of science.

Cy has never been a part of Turkey, never broken away from it etc, etc.

Almost all of Cy has literally risen from the ocean (almost like the Aphrodite myth I suppose) as the African Plate has moved north towards the Eurasian Plate. Interestingly Cy is one of the few places in the world where oceanic crust (ocean floor if you like) is found on the surface.


Bill, you sure about that? Remember that the continental drift can be evidenced by joining the continents together like a jig-saw puzzle. The north coast of Cyprus seems to fit with the south coast of Anatolia, and there is the eastern mediterranian continental shelf to be considered as well...



Hi Utu.

The jig-saw puzzle analogy does apply in the case of the Americas/Europe&Africa divide but in this case the two plates are moving apart away from the the roughly north-south ridge that runs through the middle of the Atlantic. Running the clock backwards the overlying continents must have been conjoined in the distant past, hence the match in the shelves.

In the Med, Africa is moving towards Europe, the two were not conjoined in the past. I think the African plate is diving below the EurAsian plate. Africa has travelled several thousand miles northwards closing what must have been a huge ocean into the present day Med. If there is a match it can only be a coincidence (imho).

It's also difficult even to talk of a continental shelf in the Cy case, as the sea around Cy (as in the rest of the Med) is very, very deep. It's been a while since I've looked at charts but speaking from memory, depths of several hundred metres are not uncommon five to ten miles out from the Cy coast and continental shelf is typically limited to sea depths of no more than about one hundred and fifty metres.
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Postby doesntmatter » Sat Jan 10, 2009 2:19 am

Get Real! wrote:
doesntmatter wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
doesntmatter wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
zan wrote:Yes, and in time it will disappear under the shelf and became part of the volcanic rock. We can only hope that it will emerge somewhere in the heart of Athens as one almighty Volcano... 8) :lol:

Preferably live and spewing! And don't forget the "daughter of krakatoa" popping up right in the middle of Ankara... :lol:


A volcano within a volcano? :shock:

Has that ever happend? :?

If Turkey becomes a volcano then there will be no Ankara any longer GR. :roll:


http://www.npr.org/templates/story/stor ... Id=4074651


That is not a volcano within a volcano though, it's a kind of "rebirth" at almost the same place as the first one that erupted in 1883.

BTW, it's called "Anak Krakatau (the "son of Krakatoa") ". You got the sex of the child wrong. :lol:

A volcano within a volcano is your invention not mine! :lol:


How can you have a volcano popping up right in the middle of Ankara when the whole of Turkey turned in to a volcano and emerged under Athens?

As for the gender, I figured the next child might be a girl... no credible links though! :cry:


So your secret wish is to subject the Turks to the wrath of a female then do you? Boy you are a vicious dreamer. :lol:
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Postby bill cobbett » Sat Jan 10, 2009 2:32 am

doesntmatter wrote:
bill cobbett wrote:Sorry to lower the tone of the conversation to matters of science.

Cy has never been a part of Turkey, never broken away from it etc, etc.

Almost all of Cy has literally risen from the ocean (almost like the Aphrodite myth I suppose) as the African Plate has moved north towards the Eurasian Plate. Interestingly Cy is one of the few places in the world where oceanic crust (ocean floor if you like) is found on the surface.


Any proof of on anything you said above, scientific or otherwise?

When I was a child I heard that the whole island had sunk three times and reemerged again but do I believe that now without proof?


Proof must always be scientific. I guess the best proofs are the mountain ranges in the countries that border the north of the Med, in Turkey, Greece, Italy etc. Those mountains would have risen by the same force as Cy. I also believe that on places like the Cy Troodos there are places where you can find loads of very ancient sea-shells. The Cy Northern Mountain Range, (the Kyrenia Range) is exposed limestone - the sort of geology that must have formed underwater.

As far as I'm aware doesn'tmatter, Cy has only risen once, and is continuing to rise as the Med is getting smaller and smaller, being squeezed out of existence as Africa continues to slam in to Europe. In a few 10s of millions of years, there will be no Med and we'll be able to walk to Turkey.
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Postby doesntmatter » Sat Jan 10, 2009 2:46 am

bill cobbett wrote:
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bill cobbett wrote:Sorry to lower the tone of the conversation to matters of science.

Cy has never been a part of Turkey, never broken away from it etc, etc.

Almost all of Cy has literally risen from the ocean (almost like the Aphrodite myth I suppose) as the African Plate has moved north towards the Eurasian Plate. Interestingly Cy is one of the few places in the world where oceanic crust (ocean floor if you like) is found on the surface.


Any proof of on anything you said above, scientific or otherwise?

When I was a child I heard that the whole island had sunk three times and reemerged again but do I believe that now without proof?


Proof must always be scientific. I guess the best proofs are the mountain ranges in the countries that border the north of the Med, in Turkey, Greece, Italy etc. Those mountains would have risen by the same force as Cy. I also believe that on places like the Cy Troodos there are places where you can find loads of very ancient sea-shells. The Cy Northern Mountain Range, (the Kyrenia Range) is exposed limestone - the sort of geology that must have formed underwater.


So it's all just guess work than, no concrete evidence?

How can you then make a claim such as this: "
Cy has never been a part of Turkey, never broken away from it etc, etc."?

As far as I'm aware doesn'tmatter, Cy has only risen once, and is continuing to rise as the Med is getting smaller and smaller, being squeezed out of existence as Africa continues to slam in to Europe.


Hah, at last, no more CypPrb. :lol:

In a few 10s of millions of years, there will be no Med and we'll be able to walk to Turkey.


I'm really looking forward to that because I hate sailing and flying. :lol:
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Postby zan » Sat Jan 10, 2009 2:49 am

I bet utu put this thread up just to prove to his mates that we would argue over anything :roll: you've won your bet utu...Have a drink on me too!!! :wink: :lol:
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Postby kurupetos » Sat Jan 10, 2009 2:49 am

bill cobbett wrote:
doesntmatter wrote:
bill cobbett wrote:Sorry to lower the tone of the conversation to matters of science.

Cy has never been a part of Turkey, never broken away from it etc, etc.

Almost all of Cy has literally risen from the ocean (almost like the Aphrodite myth I suppose) as the African Plate has moved north towards the Eurasian Plate. Interestingly Cy is one of the few places in the world where oceanic crust (ocean floor if you like) is found on the surface.


Any proof of on anything you said above, scientific or otherwise?

When I was a child I heard that the whole island had sunk three times and reemerged again but do I believe that now without proof?


Proof must always be scientific. I guess the best proofs are the mountain ranges in the countries that border the north of the Med, in Turkey, Greece, Italy etc. Those mountains would have risen by the same force as Cy. I also believe that on places like the Cy Troodos there are places where you can find loads of very ancient sea-shells. The Cy Northern Mountain Range, (the Kyrenia Range) is exposed limestone - the sort of geology that must have formed underwater.

As far as I'm aware doesn'tmatter, Cy has only risen once, and is continuing to rise as the Med is getting smaller and smaller, being squeezed out of existence as Africa continues to slam in to Europe. In a few 10s of millions of years, there will be no Med and we'll be able to walk to Turkey.


:shock: I don't plan to live for so long! :lol:
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Postby doesntmatter » Sat Jan 10, 2009 3:14 am

zan wrote:I bet utu put this thread up just to prove to his mates that we would argue over anything :roll: you've won your bet utu...Have a drink on me too!!! :wink: :lol:


Inciting arguments must be a part of his studies. :lol:
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Postby doesntmatter » Sat Jan 10, 2009 3:20 am

kurupetos wrote:
bill cobbett wrote:
doesntmatter wrote:
bill cobbett wrote:Sorry to lower the tone of the conversation to matters of science.

Cy has never been a part of Turkey, never broken away from it etc, etc.

Almost all of Cy has literally risen from the ocean (almost like the Aphrodite myth I suppose) as the African Plate has moved north towards the Eurasian Plate. Interestingly Cy is one of the few places in the world where oceanic crust (ocean floor if you like) is found on the surface.


Any proof of on anything you said above, scientific or otherwise?

When I was a child I heard that the whole island had sunk three times and reemerged again but do I believe that now without proof?


Proof must always be scientific. I guess the best proofs are the mountain ranges in the countries that border the north of the Med, in Turkey, Greece, Italy etc. Those mountains would have risen by the same force as Cy. I also believe that on places like the Cy Troodos there are places where you can find loads of very ancient sea-shells. The Cy Northern Mountain Range, (the Kyrenia Range) is exposed limestone - the sort of geology that must have formed underwater.

As far as I'm aware doesn'tmatter, Cy has only risen once, and is continuing to rise as the Med is getting smaller and smaller, being squeezed out of existence as Africa continues to slam in to Europe. In a few 10s of millions of years, there will be no Med and we'll be able to walk to Turkey.


:shock: I don't plan to live for so long! :lol:


I just remebered something that was on the news some years ago.

A woman scared after hearing the news, calls her husband at work, "hello dear, I just heard on the radio that the earth will explode in 5 million years, what are we going to do?" :lol:
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